ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t ODP under USYS & ID2 under USCS? So won’t those go BY as well?

Of course. Those are intended to be feeders into youth national teams, which will always be BY. This whole mess was created by USSF thinking the entire youth soccer landscape served primarily to feed into youth national teams. But in reality most leagues are simply meant for kids to have fun, develop for HS play, develop for college play, or even develop for pro play, none of which are organized by BY.

My understanding is that it was the DA (Development Academy) that was pushing for birth year to make it easier for their players to be evaluated for US national teams. At the time of the last switch (in 2016), the DA was big and mostly controlled by the MLS academy teams (meaning the MLS). The MLS academies broke off from US Soccer in 2020 (they blamed covid), and are now marketing themselves as the gold standard for moving to pro / national teams, which is why they want to keep their BY system.

If you think MLS academies' push to take over youth soccer (from US Club and USYS) doesn't have something to do with US Club and USYS agreeing to switch back to to school year, you're probably mistaken. It might be painful for the existing players / parents to go through a transition - but these guys are trying to stay in business.

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In the big picture why does it matter if a league uses BY to pick a small handfull of players? Wouldnt it make it easier to play SY and focus in on the tiny pool of players who play up and ALSO are starters? vs the half a million kids in the sea of players??

The we need BY to identify players seems like a bad argument to me.

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Anonymous wrote:In the big picture why does it matter if a league uses BY to pick a small handfull of players? Wouldnt it make it easier to play SY and focus in on the tiny pool of players who play up and ALSO are starters? vs the half a million kids in the sea of players??

The we need BY to identify players seems like a bad argument to me.

That was supposed to be the point of switching to BY to begin with, the intention was to be able to "identify and better understand RAE" so that it would improve our national teams, what ended up happening was that they lost almost all Q4 kids from the YNT, but if a kid made it that far under the circumstances they usually made the team but that is a whole other topic. Q1 kids that are actually good and not relying on their age associated size advantage should be able to play up as well. If we care about our national teams and don't have some myopic view because we are deluded into thinking our kid is YNT material, we will want all of our kids to be challenged at home before we send them abroad.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss

ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.

ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.

Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…

They are, August parents will have to look to another savior.

Major League Soccer Academies are supposed to be the gold standard for youth soccer in the U.S. The August bdays are fine. December bdays, not as much.

How so?

Because MLS academies are the best, December birthdays will always be the youngest in their BY system, and therefore have the biggest disadvantage.

Dec. can do biobanding in MLS, your dumbass.

If MLS can do biobanding, why can’t ECNL do biobanding?

Because ECNL isn’t trying to help kids go pro.

College soccer is filled with mediocrity, ECNL does really really well on girls soccer and not so well on boys. Girl soccer is constantly overlooked, ECNL is not nearly as impressive a platform for girls development, skill, or talent, as it’s college placement for results would have you believe.

Crazy how everyone’s kid on this thread is a pro prospect

That wasn’t the point. Way to be defensive though.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss

ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.

ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.

Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…

They are, August parents will have to look to another savior.

Major League Soccer Academies are supposed to be the gold standard for youth soccer in the U.S. The August bdays are fine. December bdays, not as much.

How so?

Because MLS academies are the best, December birthdays will always be the youngest in their BY system, and therefore have the biggest disadvantage.

Dec. can do biobanding in MLS, your dumbass.

If MLS can do biobanding, why can’t ECNL do biobanding?

Because ECNL isn’t trying to help kids go pro.

College soccer is filled with mediocrity, ECNL does really really well on girls soccer and not so well on boys. Girl soccer is constantly overlooked, ECNL is not nearly as impressive a platform for girls development, skill, or talent, as it’s college placement for results would have you believe.

Crazy how everyone’s kid on this thread is a pro prospect

That wasn’t the point. Way to be defensive though.

Crazy how everyone's kid on this thread is a D1 scholarship prospect. But seriously, out of all the kids who have committed recently. Have any from the DMV received athletic scholarships? How many kids from this area have committed to D1 programs? I commend them for continuing their soccer journey in college, it just seems most ECNL, MLS Next and GA kids from here are just committing to D3 schools. It just seems like the switch from BY to SY will hardly make an impact other than at the U13 and under levels.

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I thought that's why we were spending their college money now so they can go straight to pro!

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Anybody have an idea when US Soccer will put out their recommendations? Leagues probably will not put out anything till after that happens.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought that's why we were spending their college money now so they can go straight to pro!

Seriously, show some commitment. Kid going pro is the retirement plan. Burn the all boats. /s

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody have an idea when US Soccer will put out their recommendations? Leagues probably will not put out anything till after that happens.

This is a wild guess, but I doubt US Soccer is going to put out recommendations that USYS, US Soccer and AYSO hasn't already given the green light to. So, step 1 was those 3 organizations agreeing on a 9/1 to 8/31 age matrix. Step 2 is those 3 organizations putting out guidance on how to transition to that age matrix - with next year being the more complicated part. I'm thinking it would take at least 2-3 weeks post AGM to get it finalized.

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody have an idea when US Soccer will put out their recommendations? Leagues probably will not put out anything till after that happens.

This is a wild guess, but I doubt US Soccer is going to put out recommendations that USYS, US Soccer and AYSO hasn't already given the green light to. So, step 1 was those 3 organizations agreeing on a 9/1 to 8/31 age matrix. Step 2 is those 3 organizations putting out guidance on how to transition to that age matrix - with next year being the more complicated part. I'm thinking it would take at least 2-3 weeks post AGM to get it finalized.

Well maybe it'll be a one year free for all do as you will! Then 26 is a lockdown SY age matrix...

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Can someone explain give a recap of the last 200 pages. Is it 9/1 starting in 26/27?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain give a recap of the last 200 pages. Is it 9/1 starting in 26/27?

TBD SPECIFICS, but yes. The holdup is the details, but the framework is there for most of youth soccer moving to 9/1 in 26/27

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large club director I spoke with today, has GA and NPL. He thinks GA might stay birth year! So they would drop NPL from the platform. Keep platform teams at BY and other teams at SY. He said US soccer has been awful at providing direction.

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Anonymous wrote:large club director I spoke with today, has GA and NPL. He thinks GA might stay birth year! So they would drop NPL from the platform. Keep platform teams at BY and other teams at SY. He said US soccer has been awful at providing direction.

Sure buddy…

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Anonymous wrote:large club director I spoke with today, has GA and NPL. He thinks GA might stay birth year! So they would drop NPL from the platform. Keep platform teams at BY and other teams at SY. He said US soccer has been awful at providing direction.

Sure buddy…

What's so unbelievable about that? GA has been silent and US Soccer's leadership definitely sucks. It would be business suicide, but entirely believable they go this route.