Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

I said this in the beginning of the thread - what if she left AMA? No one cared. It’s irrelevant to them. Fortunately it’s 100% relevant to the case.

Her location is irrelevant because when she was at the hospital she was not offered proper medical care. Her doctors were blocked by laws pushed by religious people.

Religious a-holes are 100% to blame for her big receiving proper care.

Religious a-holes are also 100% responsible for this ridiculous persecution.

Find a new fetish. Stop judging and persecuting women for your own pleasure.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

Her baby was dead you idiot. She signed herself out because the hospital board was debating for hours and hours what to do with her while she waited. That baby wasn't going to live no matter what, you a-hole.

Yeah no crap, this woman left the hospital twice against the advice of her doctors. The doctors and hospital were figuring out the best way to treat this woman and give her medical care to save HER life, as we all know the baby was already dead, her checking herself out TWICE was insane. The doctors and hospitals don’t make the rules, but they have to follow them. Just like the nurse who was doing her job to the standard of her profession and to the laws enacted by the state and federal government. The doctors and hospitals were not neglecting her, they were simply trying to make sure she received the right treatment and they admitted her twice.
I have been admitted to the hospital for a late term miscarriage/stillbirth and the doctors performed my procedure the NEXT DAY. She waited 8 hours, ok? Unless she was in an emergency situation she would have to wait for her procedure to be scheduled and performed, she was hospitalized and being monitored until that was able to be scheduled.

The sheer idiocy exhibited in this thread by hysterical women makes me weep for the future. People who are keeping a life threatening medical issue secret from their families don’t usually do well. People who check themselves out of the hospital twice against doctor’s advice don’t usually do well. People who attack medical professionals (hint: a nurse who is your front line caregiver doing her job) usually are psychopaths/morons. People who are in the throes of a life threatening hemorrhage who do not go to the hospital and instead go get their hair done are probably going to hemorrhage to death because they are more invested in keeping a secret than saving their own lives. I hemorrhaged after my 4th child and it went from oh gosh this is weird what’s up to omg help me and being taken by ambulance to the hospital and admitted and undergoing life saving surgery. It’s unexplainable why this woman would repeatedly do things that threatened her OWN life. Notice I do not address the life of her baby, as her baby was dead and not an issue other than she told her nurse she didn’t want her baby and threw her baby out with a bucket of sh&t in her yard. (Really she used a plunger to push her own baby into the toilet pipes, wtf, leave the baby in the toilet bowl and CALL AN AMBULANCE. Don’t shower, put on makeup, and go bleed out in a chair in a beauty salon. The emts and people who come to help you will deal with the baby in the toilet bowl and take you to a hospital where your life will be saved.)

I look forward to the future of America where militant pro-abortion women will be checking themselves out of hospitals because they don’t like to have to wait for medical care because gasp people are also sick and their lives are in danger and doctors are working to save those people, too. Being admitted and under the care of a team of doctors won’t be sufficient. After miscarrying or giving birth to a dead baby, women will be throwing their dead babies about willy nilly screaming about their “rights” and bleeding out in Publix and when a nurse (on her 4th 12 hour shift (really 14-16 hours but who is counting lol)) does her job she will be doxxed online and fired and harassed by the lynch mob, it’s so special to treat professional women like that as they care for their patients, wtf is wrong with you people?

So you think she should go to jail? For what, not telling her mom she was pregnant?

I don’t know what should happen to this woman, but nobody else is at fault for her situation, she failed herself and her family by not taking responsibility for her own life. The death of her baby is tragic but not her fault whatsoever. She is not responsible for that tragedy. She is causing the people who tried repeatedly and succeeded eventually to save her life to be attacked and blamed for her neglect of her medical condition. That’s what people here are doing too. It’s unconscionable to blame the medical professionals for a situation they could not control because the patient was non-compliant to the point of allowing herself to almost die.

People aren’t blaming the doctors.

They are blaming the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

People are blaming the doctors and people have posted comments here and other places online that:

-the doctors should be sued
-the hospital system should be sued
-the nurse who “told on her” (did her job) should be publicly named, fired, sued, harassed, etc.
-the medical professionals did not admit her, they left her sitting alone in an er in pain and bleeding for 8 hours (they did admit her twice)
- that this woman was “sent home” to pass her baby alone (she left)

You all have been blaming people who tried to do their jobs and take care of her, you all suck.

Ok. That nurse was horrible. She should be blamed.

But the rest were hampered by religious extremists.

The nurse was doing her job, she did her job, and did nothing wrong.

She absolutely did something wrong.

There was zero need to call the police.

She’s probably another religious freak who wants to persecute women for sadistic reasons.

She assumed the worst about Brittany because she was black and alone.

No. She did as state law required her to do. And she did as human decency required her to do, because babies aren’t legally or morally, publicly discarded in America. I am surprised that’s something you all think is ok, because I don’t ever recall that that was something civilized societies allow or approve of.

Maybe you all can change the laws so it’s legal to throw your dead babies over 20 weeks out in buckets instead of burying them or letting the hospital or coroner take care of them in a safe and responsible manner. I am sure it’s going to be a lovely state of affairs when people who think what this woman did was acceptable in regards to the body of her dead baby.

If you can’t describe the appropriate container to put the remains of a second trimester pregnancy loss into while you wait for someone to come dispose of them, then we have to assume you have no idea either.

You notify the hospital while you are receiving medical treatment (this woman was very ill and hemorrhaging and was likely septic because she refused medical treatment twice) and the coroner arranges to remove the baby from your home.

Does anyone here know what a coroner is?

Apparently it’s something none if you know of. Lucky you, doughnuts one and all.

Cor-o-nores have jobs that they get paid for (cash, maybe animal pelts where you live) to remove dead bodies from places where someone dies. Yes, a 20+ week gestational baby too. Sometimes they are dock-tors. (That’s someone who got a fancy education at a college! EXCITING RIGHT!?!!)

The cor-o-nore will help people take care of people who die. They have auto-mobiles (think horseless carriage) and magnifying glasses and side-kicks with names like Slow Bob and Jim-Jim who assist them in removing deceased individuals and send the state cap-it-tal fancy papers about the people who died. Sometimes the cut dead people open (ewww!) to see if someone killed them or see if they had a bad disease. They send fancy reports to the Cee Dee Cee (that’s way down yonder Atlanta way) sometimes too. Amazing, we are really getting somewhere in these here parts in these here modern times.

My mom died at home and my dad called me asking what do to. He was distraught and had no clue what to do. This is my ph.d. father who knows more about most things than anyone I know.

It's apparent you have zero sense of what other people think or go through, especially in distressing times. That is really a disadvantage in personal relationships. Get out of your bubble and go volunteer with real people to widen your knowledge of humanity.

People call 911 and their family members or loved ones, their neighbors, etc. The professionals arrive to deal with the situation and take care of medical and legal obligations, the neighbors/family members support the grief stricken person who found a deceased loved one.

I take it your dad didn’t stuff your mom into a closet and not tell anyone she had died and then proceed to go get a haircut, because that would have been very wrong. I am sorry for the death of your mom.

I do work with these issues and deal with people who have been affected by them, don’t need further education. Very crazy (and that’s not being crass, that’s the truth) things occur when people die and that’s exactly why we have a multi- layered system of professionals to deal. People don’t know how to deal because it’s not their job. People have jobs to deal with these situations legally and from a public health standpoint.

Pro abortion people see these procedures and professionals as impeding choice or “telling” on women to “get them in trouble.” It’s immature and legally ignorant to espouse such lines of thought, and some posters here are downright dangerous and delusional.

Newsflash: for normal people who don’t worship fetuses…

A 21w stillborn fetus is no way equivalent to a living breathing woman.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

can you show where the word “blocked” exists in the link?

Specifically, the ethics committee BLOCKED her from receiving medical treatment?

Because I don’t see the word BLOCKED anywhere. That’s not a word you picked to insert into the article, is it?

The doctors recommended a specific treatment, but were not able to provide it for 8 hours because of a committee that hadn't yet made a decision. How is that not "blocked"? That's pretty much the definition of the word blocked. When someone stops you from doing something you want to do, they are blocking you.

I didn't make the original comment you claim was debunked. But blocked is an accurate description of what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

I said this in the beginning of the thread - what if she left AMA? No one cared. It’s irrelevant to them. Fortunately it’s 100% relevant to the case.

Her location is irrelevant because when she was at the hospital she was not offered proper medical care. Her doctors were blocked by laws pushed by religious people.

Religious a-holes are 100% to blame for her big receiving proper care.

Religious a-holes are also 100% responsible for this ridiculous persecution.

Find a new fetish. Stop judging and persecuting women for your own pleasure.

She was offered medical treatment twice during two hospitalizations.

Can someone show where the New York Times article states that doctors were BLOCKED from giving this woman medical treatment?

I’ve read the linked article twice and don’t see the word BLOCKED anywhere.

Show us the proof it’s written in the article.

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Congrats to dcum I guess for the biggest load of misinformation on the internets.

The majority of these posters are political shills or deranged trolls who don’t have jobs and apparently don’t know what a coroner is, it’s disturbing. I thought high ses people posted here, apparently not. jfc.

The religious weirdos & RWNJs invaded a few years ago and the site has gone downhill.

The loudest voices here are also the dumbest, because this thread is full of liberals who think laws aren’t a thing because they don’t like them.

Laws forcing someone else’s religion on me are unethical and, frankly, unconstitutional.

But we have religious extremists in powerful positions now so human rights will continue to be violated.

And religious wackos will continue to get off on their sadistic fantasies of hurting women.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

Her baby was dead you idiot. She signed herself out because the hospital board was debating for hours and hours what to do with her while she waited. That baby wasn't going to live no matter what, you a-hole.

Yeah no crap, this woman left the hospital twice against the advice of her doctors. The doctors and hospital were figuring out the best way to treat this woman and give her medical care to save HER life, as we all know the baby was already dead, her checking herself out TWICE was insane. The doctors and hospitals don’t make the rules, but they have to follow them. Just like the nurse who was doing her job to the standard of her profession and to the laws enacted by the state and federal government. The doctors and hospitals were not neglecting her, they were simply trying to make sure she received the right treatment and they admitted her twice.
I have been admitted to the hospital for a late term miscarriage/stillbirth and the doctors performed my procedure the NEXT DAY. She waited 8 hours, ok? Unless she was in an emergency situation she would have to wait for her procedure to be scheduled and performed, she was hospitalized and being monitored until that was able to be scheduled.

The sheer idiocy exhibited in this thread by hysterical women makes me weep for the future. People who are keeping a life threatening medical issue secret from their families don’t usually do well. People who check themselves out of the hospital twice against doctor’s advice don’t usually do well. People who attack medical professionals (hint: a nurse who is your front line caregiver doing her job) usually are psychopaths/morons. People who are in the throes of a life threatening hemorrhage who do not go to the hospital and instead go get their hair done are probably going to hemorrhage to death because they are more invested in keeping a secret than saving their own lives. I hemorrhaged after my 4th child and it went from oh gosh this is weird what’s up to omg help me and being taken by ambulance to the hospital and admitted and undergoing life saving surgery. It’s unexplainable why this woman would repeatedly do things that threatened her OWN life. Notice I do not address the life of her baby, as her baby was dead and not an issue other than she told her nurse she didn’t want her baby and threw her baby out with a bucket of sh&t in her yard. (Really she used a plunger to push her own baby into the toilet pipes, wtf, leave the baby in the toilet bowl and CALL AN AMBULANCE. Don’t shower, put on makeup, and go bleed out in a chair in a beauty salon. The emts and people who come to help you will deal with the baby in the toilet bowl and take you to a hospital where your life will be saved.)

I look forward to the future of America where militant pro-abortion women will be checking themselves out of hospitals because they don’t like to have to wait for medical care because gasp people are also sick and their lives are in danger and doctors are working to save those people, too. Being admitted and under the care of a team of doctors won’t be sufficient. After miscarrying or giving birth to a dead baby, women will be throwing their dead babies about willy nilly screaming about their “rights” and bleeding out in Publix and when a nurse (on her 4th 12 hour shift (really 14-16 hours but who is counting lol)) does her job she will be doxxed online and fired and harassed by the lynch mob, it’s so special to treat professional women like that as they care for their patients, wtf is wrong with you people?

So you think she should go to jail? For what, not telling her mom she was pregnant?

I don’t know what should happen to this woman, but nobody else is at fault for her situation, she failed herself and her family by not taking responsibility for her own life. The death of her baby is tragic but not her fault whatsoever. She is not responsible for that tragedy. She is causing the people who tried repeatedly and succeeded eventually to save her life to be attacked and blamed for her neglect of her medical condition. That’s what people here are doing too. It’s unconscionable to blame the medical professionals for a situation they could not control because the patient was non-compliant to the point of allowing herself to almost die.

People aren’t blaming the doctors.

They are blaming the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

People are blaming the doctors and people have posted comments here and other places online that:

-the doctors should be sued
-the hospital system should be sued
-the nurse who “told on her” (did her job) should be publicly named, fired, sued, harassed, etc.
-the medical professionals did not admit her, they left her sitting alone in an er in pain and bleeding for 8 hours (they did admit her twice)
- that this woman was “sent home” to pass her baby alone (she left)

You all have been blaming people who tried to do their jobs and take care of her, you all suck.

Ok. That nurse was horrible. She should be blamed.

But the rest were hampered by religious extremists.

The nurse was doing her job, she did her job, and did nothing wrong.

She absolutely did something wrong.

There was zero need to call the police.

She’s probably another religious freak who wants to persecute women for sadistic reasons.

She assumed the worst about Brittany because she was black and alone.

No. She did as state law required her to do. And she did as human decency required her to do, because babies aren’t legally or morally, publicly discarded in America. I am surprised that’s something you all think is ok, because I don’t ever recall that that was something civilized societies allow or approve of.

Maybe you all can change the laws so it’s legal to throw your dead babies over 20 weeks out in buckets instead of burying them or letting the hospital or coroner take care of them in a safe and responsible manner. I am sure it’s going to be a lovely state of affairs when people who think what this woman did was acceptable in regards to the body of her dead baby.

If you can’t describe the appropriate container to put the remains of a second trimester pregnancy loss into while you wait for someone to come dispose of them, then we have to assume you have no idea either.

You notify the hospital while you are receiving medical treatment (this woman was very ill and hemorrhaging and was likely septic because she refused medical treatment twice) and the coroner arranges to remove the baby from your home.

Does anyone here know what a coroner is?

Apparently it’s something none if you know of. Lucky you, doughnuts one and all.

Cor-o-nores have jobs that they get paid for (cash, maybe animal pelts where you live) to remove dead bodies from places where someone dies. Yes, a 20+ week gestational baby too. Sometimes they are dock-tors. (That’s someone who got a fancy education at a college! EXCITING RIGHT!?!!)

The cor-o-nore will help people take care of people who die. They have auto-mobiles (think horseless carriage) and magnifying glasses and side-kicks with names like Slow Bob and Jim-Jim who assist them in removing deceased individuals and send the state cap-it-tal fancy papers about the people who died. Sometimes the cut dead people open (ewww!) to see if someone killed them or see if they had a bad disease. They send fancy reports to the Cee Dee Cee (that’s way down yonder Atlanta way) sometimes too. Amazing, we are really getting somewhere in these here parts in these here modern times.

My mom died at home and my dad called me asking what do to. He was distraught and had no clue what to do. This is my ph.d. father who knows more about most things than anyone I know.

It's apparent you have zero sense of what other people think or go through, especially in distressing times. That is really a disadvantage in personal relationships. Get out of your bubble and go volunteer with real people to widen your knowledge of humanity.

People call 911 and their family members or loved ones, their neighbors, etc. The professionals arrive to deal with the situation and take care of medical and legal obligations, the neighbors/family members support the grief stricken person who found a deceased loved one.

I take it your dad didn’t stuff your mom into a closet and not tell anyone she had died and then proceed to go get a haircut, because that would have been very wrong. I am sorry for the death of your mom.

I do work with these issues and deal with people who have been affected by them, don’t need further education. Very crazy (and that’s not being crass, that’s the truth) things occur when people die and that’s exactly why we have a multi- layered system of professionals to deal. People don’t know how to deal because it’s not their job. People have jobs to deal with these situations legally and from a public health standpoint.

Pro abortion people see these procedures and professionals as impeding choice or “telling” on women to “get them in trouble.” It’s immature and legally ignorant to espouse such lines of thought, and some posters here are downright dangerous and delusional.

Newsflash: for normal people who don’t worship fetuses…

A 21w stillborn fetus is no way equivalent to a living breathing woman.

Ohio state law requires issuance of a death certificate and the body of the baby to be buried on the family’s property, or the hospital or coroner to responsibly deal with the baby’s body, whichever the family prefers. It has nothing to do with anyone’s opinion of abortion or unborn babies, it’s public health and safety/ legal requirements .

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Congrats to dcum I guess for the biggest load of misinformation on the internets.

The majority of these posters are political shills or deranged trolls who don’t have jobs and apparently don’t know what a coroner is, it’s disturbing. I thought high ses people posted here, apparently not. jfc.

The religious weirdos & RWNJs invaded a few years ago and the site has gone downhill.

The loudest voices here are also the dumbest, because this thread is full of liberals who think laws aren’t a thing because they don’t like them.

Laws forcing someone else’s religion on me are unethical and, frankly, unconstitutional.

But we have religious extremists in powerful positions now so human rights will continue to be violated.

And religious wackos will continue to get off on their sadistic fantasies of hurting women.

Ohio state law requires issuance of a death certificate and the body of the baby to be buried on the family’s property, or the hospital or coroner to responsibly deal with the baby’s body, whichever the family prefers. It has nothing to do with anyone’s opinion of abortion or unborn babies, it’s public health and safety/ legal requirements .

Maybe someday you’ll be able to comprehend things exist in the real world beyond your insane political and religious rants.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

I said this in the beginning of the thread - what if she left AMA? No one cared. It’s irrelevant to them. Fortunately it’s 100% relevant to the case.

Her location is irrelevant because when she was at the hospital she was not offered proper medical care. Her doctors were blocked by laws pushed by religious people.

Religious a-holes are 100% to blame for her big receiving proper care.

Religious a-holes are also 100% responsible for this ridiculous persecution.

Find a new fetish. Stop judging and persecuting women for your own pleasure.

She was offered medical treatment twice during two hospitalizations.

Can someone show where the New York Times article states that doctors were BLOCKED from giving this woman medical treatment?

I’ve read the linked article twice and don’t see the word BLOCKED anywhere.

Show us the proof it’s written in the article.

You’re being obtuse.

They would have treated her immediately if they didn’t have to call the ethics board to review the situation.

And they still didn’t treat her on her subsequent visit.

Religious a-holes prevented this woman from getting the care she needed. And they get sick pleasure out of judging her every action and persecuting her for all of it.

It’s disgusting beyond words. You people are truly vile.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

I said this in the beginning of the thread - what if she left AMA? No one cared. It’s irrelevant to them. Fortunately it’s 100% relevant to the case.

Her location is irrelevant because when she was at the hospital she was not offered proper medical care. Her doctors were blocked by laws pushed by religious people.

Religious a-holes are 100% to blame for her big receiving proper care.

Religious a-holes are also 100% responsible for this ridiculous persecution.

Find a new fetish. Stop judging and persecuting women for your own pleasure.

She was offered medical treatment twice during two hospitalizations.

Can someone show where the New York Times article states that doctors were BLOCKED from giving this woman medical treatment?

I’ve read the linked article twice and don’t see the word BLOCKED anywhere.

Show us the proof it’s written in the article.

You’re being obtuse.

They would have treated her immediately if they didn’t have to call the ethics board to review the situation.

And they still didn’t treat her on her subsequent visit.

Religious a-holes prevented this woman from getting the care she needed. And they get sick pleasure out of judging her every action and persecuting her for all of it.

It’s disgusting beyond words. You people are truly vile.

🚨 THE WORD BLOCKED IS NOT PRESENT IN THE NYT ARTICLE. EL STINKO DELUXO POSTED A LIE.

Quit lying, liar.

THE ETHICS COMMITTEE DID NOT BLOCK DOCTORS FROM TREATING THIS WOMAN.

LIARS WHO LIE ARE JUST LYING.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

Her baby was dead you idiot. She signed herself out because the hospital board was debating for hours and hours what to do with her while she waited. That baby wasn't going to live no matter what, you a-hole.

Yeah no crap, this woman left the hospital twice against the advice of her doctors. The doctors and hospital were figuring out the best way to treat this woman and give her medical care to save HER life, as we all know the baby was already dead, her checking herself out TWICE was insane. The doctors and hospitals don’t make the rules, but they have to follow them. Just like the nurse who was doing her job to the standard of her profession and to the laws enacted by the state and federal government. The doctors and hospitals were not neglecting her, they were simply trying to make sure she received the right treatment and they admitted her twice.
I have been admitted to the hospital for a late term miscarriage/stillbirth and the doctors performed my procedure the NEXT DAY. She waited 8 hours, ok? Unless she was in an emergency situation she would have to wait for her procedure to be scheduled and performed, she was hospitalized and being monitored until that was able to be scheduled.

The sheer idiocy exhibited in this thread by hysterical women makes me weep for the future. People who are keeping a life threatening medical issue secret from their families don’t usually do well. People who check themselves out of the hospital twice against doctor’s advice don’t usually do well. People who attack medical professionals (hint: a nurse who is your front line caregiver doing her job) usually are psychopaths/morons. People who are in the throes of a life threatening hemorrhage who do not go to the hospital and instead go get their hair done are probably going to hemorrhage to death because they are more invested in keeping a secret than saving their own lives. I hemorrhaged after my 4th child and it went from oh gosh this is weird what’s up to omg help me and being taken by ambulance to the hospital and admitted and undergoing life saving surgery. It’s unexplainable why this woman would repeatedly do things that threatened her OWN life. Notice I do not address the life of her baby, as her baby was dead and not an issue other than she told her nurse she didn’t want her baby and threw her baby out with a bucket of sh&t in her yard. (Really she used a plunger to push her own baby into the toilet pipes, wtf, leave the baby in the toilet bowl and CALL AN AMBULANCE. Don’t shower, put on makeup, and go bleed out in a chair in a beauty salon. The emts and people who come to help you will deal with the baby in the toilet bowl and take you to a hospital where your life will be saved.)

I look forward to the future of America where militant pro-abortion women will be checking themselves out of hospitals because they don’t like to have to wait for medical care because gasp people are also sick and their lives are in danger and doctors are working to save those people, too. Being admitted and under the care of a team of doctors won’t be sufficient. After miscarrying or giving birth to a dead baby, women will be throwing their dead babies about willy nilly screaming about their “rights” and bleeding out in Publix and when a nurse (on her 4th 12 hour shift (really 14-16 hours but who is counting lol)) does her job she will be doxxed online and fired and harassed by the lynch mob, it’s so special to treat professional women like that as they care for their patients, wtf is wrong with you people?

So you think she should go to jail? For what, not telling her mom she was pregnant?

I don’t know what should happen to this woman, but nobody else is at fault for her situation, she failed herself and her family by not taking responsibility for her own life. The death of her baby is tragic but not her fault whatsoever. She is not responsible for that tragedy. She is causing the people who tried repeatedly and succeeded eventually to save her life to be attacked and blamed for her neglect of her medical condition. That’s what people here are doing too. It’s unconscionable to blame the medical professionals for a situation they could not control because the patient was non-compliant to the point of allowing herself to almost die.

People aren’t blaming the doctors.

They are blaming the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

People are blaming the doctors and people have posted comments here and other places online that:

-the doctors should be sued
-the hospital system should be sued
-the nurse who “told on her” (did her job) should be publicly named, fired, sued, harassed, etc.
-the medical professionals did not admit her, they left her sitting alone in an er in pain and bleeding for 8 hours (they did admit her twice)
- that this woman was “sent home” to pass her baby alone (she left)

You all have been blaming people who tried to do their jobs and take care of her, you all suck.

Ok. That nurse was horrible. She should be blamed.

But the rest were hampered by religious extremists.

The nurse was doing her job, she did her job, and did nothing wrong.

She absolutely did something wrong.

There was zero need to call the police.

She’s probably another religious freak who wants to persecute women for sadistic reasons.

She assumed the worst about Brittany because she was black and alone.

No. She did as state law required her to do. And she did as human decency required her to do, because babies aren’t legally or morally, publicly discarded in America. I am surprised that’s something you all think is ok, because I don’t ever recall that that was something civilized societies allow or approve of.

Maybe you all can change the laws so it’s legal to throw your dead babies over 20 weeks out in buckets instead of burying them or letting the hospital or coroner take care of them in a safe and responsible manner. I am sure it’s going to be a lovely state of affairs when people who think what this woman did was acceptable in regards to the body of her dead baby.

If you can’t describe the appropriate container to put the remains of a second trimester pregnancy loss into while you wait for someone to come dispose of them, then we have to assume you have no idea either.

You notify the hospital while you are receiving medical treatment (this woman was very ill and hemorrhaging and was likely septic because she refused medical treatment twice) and the coroner arranges to remove the baby from your home.

Does anyone here know what a coroner is?

Apparently it’s something none if you know of. Lucky you, doughnuts one and all.

Cor-o-nores have jobs that they get paid for (cash, maybe animal pelts where you live) to remove dead bodies from places where someone dies. Yes, a 20+ week gestational baby too. Sometimes they are dock-tors. (That’s someone who got a fancy education at a college! EXCITING RIGHT!?!!)

The cor-o-nore will help people take care of people who die. They have auto-mobiles (think horseless carriage) and magnifying glasses and side-kicks with names like Slow Bob and Jim-Jim who assist them in removing deceased individuals and send the state cap-it-tal fancy papers about the people who died. Sometimes the cut dead people open (ewww!) to see if someone killed them or see if they had a bad disease. They send fancy reports to the Cee Dee Cee (that’s way down yonder Atlanta way) sometimes too. Amazing, we are really getting somewhere in these here parts in these here modern times.

My mom died at home and my dad called me asking what do to. He was distraught and had no clue what to do. This is my ph.d. father who knows more about most things than anyone I know.

It's apparent you have zero sense of what other people think or go through, especially in distressing times. That is really a disadvantage in personal relationships. Get out of your bubble and go volunteer with real people to widen your knowledge of humanity.

People call 911 and their family members or loved ones, their neighbors, etc. The professionals arrive to deal with the situation and take care of medical and legal obligations, the neighbors/family members support the grief stricken person who found a deceased loved one.

I take it your dad didn’t stuff your mom into a closet and not tell anyone she had died and then proceed to go get a haircut, because that would have been very wrong. I am sorry for the death of your mom.

I do work with these issues and deal with people who have been affected by them, don’t need further education. Very crazy (and that’s not being crass, that’s the truth) things occur when people die and that’s exactly why we have a multi- layered system of professionals to deal. People don’t know how to deal because it’s not their job. People have jobs to deal with these situations legally and from a public health standpoint.

Pro abortion people see these procedures and professionals as impeding choice or “telling” on women to “get them in trouble.” It’s immature and legally ignorant to espouse such lines of thought, and some posters here are downright dangerous and delusional.

Newsflash: for normal people who don’t worship fetuses…

A 21w stillborn fetus is no way equivalent to a living breathing woman.

Ohio state law requires issuance of a death certificate and the body of the baby to be buried on the family’s property, or the hospital or coroner to responsibly deal with the baby’s body, whichever the family prefers. It has nothing to do with anyone’s opinion of abortion or unborn babies, it’s public health and safety/ legal requirements .

Ok. All of that still could have happened. The law doesn’t say anything about timing.

She was still in serious condition. They could have handled the “product of human conception” when she was released from the hospital.

She did nothing wrong.

Religious a-holes are judging and persecuting her every move because they get off on it.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

I said this in the beginning of the thread - what if she left AMA? No one cared. It’s irrelevant to them. Fortunately it’s 100% relevant to the case.

Her location is irrelevant because when she was at the hospital she was not offered proper medical care. Her doctors were blocked by laws pushed by religious people.

Religious a-holes are 100% to blame for her big receiving proper care.

Religious a-holes are also 100% responsible for this ridiculous persecution.

Find a new fetish. Stop judging and persecuting women for your own pleasure.

She was offered medical treatment twice during two hospitalizations.

Can someone show where the New York Times article states that doctors were BLOCKED from giving this woman medical treatment?

I’ve read the linked article twice and don’t see the word BLOCKED anywhere.

Show us the proof it’s written in the article.

You’re being obtuse.

They would have treated her immediately if they didn’t have to call the ethics board to review the situation.

And they still didn’t treat her on her subsequent visit.

Religious a-holes prevented this woman from getting the care she needed. And they get sick pleasure out of judging her every action and persecuting her for all of it.

It’s disgusting beyond words. You people are truly vile.

🚨SHE LEFT OF HER OWN ACCORD TWICE, STINKY. SHE REFUSED MEDICAL TREATMENT.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

Don’t bother. They can’t answer and will continue to 1) make up their own facts, 2) move the goalposts or 3) an combination of 1 & 2
Call them on their sh¡t and the hand waving and smoke and mirrors start. They can’t handle it.