Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:This might be a good time for some people to review another false "Karen" accusation -- the Central Park - bird watcher incident in 2020.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-real-story-of-the-central-park

I think this is different. It's very clear Amy Cooper is trying to sic the cops on Christian Cooper in that video.

I used to think this, in part because she keeps repeating in the 911 call that "there is an African-American man threatening me. " Why would she keep emphasizing that it was an African-American man? But when you listen to both sides of the conversation you hear the 911 dispatcher saying "I can't hear you. Can you repeat that?" And so Amy Cooper keeps repeating it and getting more frustrated.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-real-story-of-the-central-park-karen/id1570872415?i=1000530855326

Now I think this was a clash between a bird-watcher and a dog-walker with both sides partially at fault but with no racial overtones. (Christian Cooper had several earlier clashes with dog-walkers.)

Yes. And note that she was never convicted of making a false 911 call. She took a plea deal.

Chris Cooper declined to prosecute, saying he thought she had been punished enough by her employer and the media

b/c he knew he had unclean hands and his history of threatening dogs would come out.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone involves feels great about harassing a *pregnant* *nurse* who lives in the *Bronx* and spends twelve hour shifts SIX MONTHS pregnant helping the *poorest New Yorkers.* This woman could end up with a stillbirth due to this episode.

I wish her nothing but the best with her pregnancy and home she instead winds up with a cash settlement that she can use to take a nice beach vacation and then send her baby to college. I'm so incensed about this.

Monique Judge, the woman who wrote the essay about how this is exactly the same as Emmett Till (cool cool way to use Emmett Till's name just to prove your petty little point), has already said she simply does not believe the nurse's lawyer. I do hope she gets sued.

I hope the PA makes her sell her house to cover the judgment.

Maybe if we have enough mobs, one will finally turn out to be righteous.

Don’t want to get sued? Don’t defame people.

I hope she gets Roxane Gay too.

Gay has had enough sense to stop talking about this case after her initial comments in reaction to the video.

Actually a lot of people who were initially worked up have gone reeeeeeal quiet in the last day or so, as more people have taken a closer look at that video and now the woman's lawyer is speaking up.

It's just a handful of people who are going to stick with their story now. Watch a bunch of news outlets quietly delete or change the wording in their initial reports on this one. Oops, we're bad a journalism, but that's what the edit function is for.

Gay’s initial comment was that this woman was too racist to treat black patients! The harm has been done.

Gay is a piece if trash that manages to insert herself whenever some flames need to be fanned and then retreats without any consequences. Remember "The Bad Art Friend?" Gay was the one tweeting that it's still unclear whether the writer actually donated her kidney. But when the stuff hit the fan and people had to resign or apologize, she suddenly went quiet. Not her first rodeo for inciting the internet mobs. I am shocked that apparently NYTimes has no code of ethics fir their journalists.

I detest Roxane Gay. She’s overrated for ‘Hunger,’ and unfailingly reactionary in these viral stories to always come down hard on white woman, and to do her utter damndest to rile her sycophantic followers to take it further. She’s also unappealingly self-pitying, read the nonsense about ‘The Whale.’ Ugh. Just, ugh.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone involves feels great about harassing a *pregnant* *nurse* who lives in the *Bronx* and spends twelve hour shifts SIX MONTHS pregnant helping the *poorest New Yorkers.* This woman could end up with a stillbirth due to this episode.

I wish her nothing but the best with her pregnancy and home she instead winds up with a cash settlement that she can use to take a nice beach vacation and then send her baby to college. I'm so incensed about this.

Monique Judge, the woman who wrote the essay about how this is exactly the same as Emmett Till (cool cool way to use Emmett Till's name just to prove your petty little point), has already said she simply does not believe the nurse's lawyer. I do hope she gets sued.

I hope the PA makes her sell her house to cover the judgment.

Maybe if we have enough mobs, one will finally turn out to be righteous.

Don’t want to get sued? Don’t defame people.

I hope she gets Roxane Gay too.

Gay has had enough sense to stop talking about this case after her initial comments in reaction to the video.

Actually a lot of people who were initially worked up have gone reeeeeeal quiet in the last day or so, as more people have taken a closer look at that video and now the woman's lawyer is speaking up.

It's just a handful of people who are going to stick with their story now. Watch a bunch of news outlets quietly delete or change the wording in their initial reports on this one. Oops, we're bad a journalism, but that's what the edit function is for.

Gay’s initial comment was that this woman was too racist to treat black patients! The harm has been done.

Gay is a piece if trash that manages to insert herself whenever some flames need to be fanned and then retreats without any consequences. Remember "The Bad Art Friend?" Gay was the one tweeting that it's still unclear whether the writer actually donated her kidney. But when the stuff hit the fan and people had to resign or apologize, she suddenly went quiet. Not her first rodeo for inciting the internet mobs. I am shocked that apparently NYTimes has no code of ethics fir their journalists.

I detest Roxane Gay. She’s overrated for ‘Hunger,’ and unfailingly reactionary in these viral stories to always come down hard on white woman, and to do her utter damndest to rile her sycophantic followers to take it further. She’s also unappealingly self-pitying, read the nonsense about ‘The Whale.’ Ugh. Just, ugh.

Why does this feel like thinly veiled fatphobia…

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Anonymous wrote:Count me among the people who think she's very much in the wrong and that her fake crying is awful but also think the way this has gone viral and how she's being held up as emblematic of all white women is troubling.

One of the first things I thought of when I saw this video was a time when I was walking down a city street texting, minding my own business, when a group of 4 teen girls walked up and demanded I give them my phone. My first instinct at the time, since it was about 6pm on a weekday and there were lots of people around, was to loudly start saying "These girls are trying to take my phone!" Not screaming, but just announcing to passers by what was happing in case they tried to physically take it from me. They laughed at me and walked away. I think my instincts were good.

But watching this video and the response, I now wonder how that response would look if it was recorded by someone else. Would it be clear to others what was going on? What if the video didn't catch the part where the girls demanded my phone? What did I look like calling out like that? Like some entitled white lady trying to get a group of young black people in trouble? In 2023, if a bystander heard me saying that, would they understand what was happening or assume I was just a white lade crying wolf?

So while I now understand enough context to get this woman was definitely in the wrong and find her behavior abhorrent, I worry about just assuming that anytime you see a white woman calling for help that she is faking it. Sometimes people do need help. Not all white women are bad actors. Not all black people are in the right. It feels like we are swinging from one set of assumptions to another and I don't think the outcomes are going to be great.

A woman being labelled a Karen is not the same as a black man having police sicced on him.

I didn't say it was the same. But it's still dangerous to start assuming that any white woman asking for help is lying. The idea that white women are de facto liars is troubling to me, a white woman who does not steal bikes from people or call the cops on black men for kicks. I don't want the behavior of these white women being used to justify not believing me when I'm telling the truth, and I do worry that we are defining these incidents very broadly and the fixation on how she sounded when she asked for help or the look on her face as being indicative of what was happening concerns me. As a white woman, I worry that I could look and sound like that even if I was genuinely in need of help.

+1.

Sucks to all be lumped together doesn’t it?

That was her point: "It feels like we are swinging from one set of assumptions to another and I don't think the outcomes are going to be great."

I think you missed the PP's point.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone involves feels great about harassing a *pregnant* *nurse* who lives in the *Bronx* and spends twelve hour shifts SIX MONTHS pregnant helping the *poorest New Yorkers.* This woman could end up with a stillbirth due to this episode.

I wish her nothing but the best with her pregnancy and home she instead winds up with a cash settlement that she can use to take a nice beach vacation and then send her baby to college. I'm so incensed about this.

Monique Judge, the woman who wrote the essay about how this is exactly the same as Emmett Till (cool cool way to use Emmett Till's name just to prove your petty little point), has already said she simply does not believe the nurse's lawyer. I do hope she gets sued.

I hope the PA makes her sell her house to cover the judgment.

Maybe if we have enough mobs, one will finally turn out to be righteous.

Don’t want to get sued? Don’t defame people.

I hope she gets Roxane Gay too.

Gay has had enough sense to stop talking about this case after her initial comments in reaction to the video.

Actually a lot of people who were initially worked up have gone reeeeeeal quiet in the last day or so, as more people have taken a closer look at that video and now the woman's lawyer is speaking up.

It's just a handful of people who are going to stick with their story now. Watch a bunch of news outlets quietly delete or change the wording in their initial reports on this one. Oops, we're bad a journalism, but that's what the edit function is for.

Gay’s initial comment was that this woman was too racist to treat black patients! The harm has been done.

Gay is a piece if trash that manages to insert herself whenever some flames need to be fanned and then retreats without any consequences. Remember "The Bad Art Friend?" Gay was the one tweeting that it's still unclear whether the writer actually donated her kidney. But when the stuff hit the fan and people had to resign or apologize, she suddenly went quiet. Not her first rodeo for inciting the internet mobs. I am shocked that apparently NYTimes has no code of ethics fir their journalists.

I detest Roxane Gay. She’s overrated for ‘Hunger,’ and unfailingly reactionary in these viral stories to always come down hard on white woman, and to do her utter damndest to rile her sycophantic followers to take it further. She’s also unappealingly self-pitying, read the nonsense about ‘The Whale.’ Ugh. Just, ugh.

Why does this feel like thinly veiled fatphobia…

…because you’re too embarrassed now that your view of the Citibike encounter was proven likely very, very wrong to keep up with that part of the thread?

Gay was widely criticized for her me-me-me-me-me critique of that movie, and she’s widely and IMO very justly criticized for her obvious delight in whipping up internet mobs. I can’t stand her. I don’t care what she weighs.

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Anonymous wrote:Daily Beast now has a story

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nycs-citi-bike-karen-has-the-receipts-lawyer-claims

News about the receipts was released two days ago. Why did it take the angry mob this long to accept the truth?

I didn’t see anything about it until today and I was looking. (I was the first person in this thread to say she had a viable defamation claim.)

The original NY Post story on May 16 included news that the lawyer had the receipts. Nobody can read.

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Anonymous wrote:Daily Beast now has a story

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nycs-citi-bike-karen-has-the-receipts-lawyer-claims

News about the receipts was released two days ago. Why did it take the angry mob this long to accept the truth?

I didn’t see anything about it until today and I was looking. (I was the first person in this thread to say she had a viable defamation claim.)

The original NY Post story on May 16 included news that the lawyer had the receipts. Nobody can read.

NY Post updated the 5/16 story. That paragraph about her version of events and the receipts was not in the story originally. One thing the lawyer has alleged is that media outlets reported on the story without speaking to the nurse.

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Anonymous wrote:Daily Beast now has a story

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nycs-citi-bike-karen-has-the-receipts-lawyer-claims

News about the receipts was released two days ago. Why did it take the angry mob this long to accept the truth?

I didn’t see anything about it until today and I was looking. (I was the first person in this thread to say she had a viable defamation claim.)

The original NY Post story on May 16 included news that the lawyer had the receipts. Nobody can read.

NY Post updated the 5/16 story. That paragraph about her version of events and the receipts was not in the story originally. One thing the lawyer has alleged is that media outlets reported on the story without speaking to the nurse.

Yep. The original few stories just narrated the clip and the tweets.

[Anonymous]

Monique Judge now saying she’s spoken to the nurse’s lawyer but she doesn’t think the timing of the receipts add up. I personally think she may be nervous about how hard she went on this one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Count me among the people who think she's very much in the wrong and that her fake crying is awful but also think the way this has gone viral and how she's being held up as emblematic of all white women is troubling.

One of the first things I thought of when I saw this video was a time when I was walking down a city street texting, minding my own business, when a group of 4 teen girls walked up and demanded I give them my phone. My first instinct at the time, since it was about 6pm on a weekday and there were lots of people around, was to loudly start saying "These girls are trying to take my phone!" Not screaming, but just announcing to passers by what was happing in case they tried to physically take it from me. They laughed at me and walked away. I think my instincts were good.

But watching this video and the response, I now wonder how that response would look if it was recorded by someone else. Would it be clear to others what was going on? What if the video didn't catch the part where the girls demanded my phone? What did I look like calling out like that? Like some entitled white lady trying to get a group of young black people in trouble? In 2023, if a bystander heard me saying that, would they understand what was happening or assume I was just a white lade crying wolf?

So while I now understand enough context to get this woman was definitely in the wrong and find her behavior abhorrent, I worry about just assuming that anytime you see a white woman calling for help that she is faking it. Sometimes people do need help. Not all white women are bad actors. Not all black people are in the right. It feels like we are swinging from one set of assumptions to another and I don't think the outcomes are going to be great.

A woman being labelled a Karen is not the same as a black man having police sicced on him.

I didn't say it was the same. But it's still dangerous to start assuming that any white woman asking for help is lying. The idea that white women are de facto liars is troubling to me, a white woman who does not steal bikes from people or call the cops on black men for kicks. I don't want the behavior of these white women being used to justify not believing me when I'm telling the truth, and I do worry that we are defining these incidents very broadly and the fixation on how she sounded when she asked for help or the look on her face as being indicative of what was happening concerns me. As a white woman, I worry that I could look and sound like that even if I was genuinely in need of help.

+1.

Sucks to all be lumped together doesn’t it?

That was her point: "It feels like we are swinging from one set of assumptions to another and I don't think the outcomes are going to be great."

I think you missed the PP's point.

DP. Yeah, we get it. Pp was saying she doesn’t care if White women are all lumped together as Karens even when they need help. Presumably because now it’s White women’s turn to be victims of hers (pp’s) and the mob’s racism.

Which makes no sense on so many levels. But presumably pp is just lashing out the only way she still can now the PA has been vindicated. Some posters are vindictive children.

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Anonymous wrote:Monique Judge now saying she’s spoken to the nurse’s lawyer but she doesn’t think the timing of the receipts add up. I personally think she may be nervous about how hard she went on this one.

What a pig.

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Anonymous wrote:Monique Judge now saying she’s spoken to the nurse’s lawyer but she doesn’t think the timing of the receipts add up. I personally think she may be nervous about how hard she went on this one.

The lawyer is very courteously giving her the chance to correct herself and avoid a libel lawsuit…

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Anonymous wrote:Monique Judge now saying she’s spoken to the nurse’s lawyer but she doesn’t think the timing of the receipts add up. I personally think she may be nervous about how hard she went on this one.

Oh, I bet she doesn’t want to believe the lawyer. She did sic the internet on the woman and clearly doesn’t want to be wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Monique Judge now saying she’s spoken to the nurse’s lawyer but she doesn’t think the timing of the receipts add up. I personally think she may be nervous about how hard she went on this one.

What a pig.

Can’t wait for her (non)apology.

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Anonymous wrote:Monique Judge now saying she’s spoken to the nurse’s lawyer but she doesn’t think the timing of the receipts add up. I personally think she may be nervous about how hard she went on this one.

Why would he email her the receipts before, I dunno, the NYT or the WaPo? I’m sure she asked for them, because pp is right, she’s probably nervous about getting out in front of this. But she says she’s still waiting so the lawyer is probably ignoring her.