Britain BANS the use of shock collars for dog training--inhumane and cruel
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Anonymous
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Finally! I only wish it was effective immediately.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dog-electric-collar-ban-b2329041.html |
Anonymous
| Good. |
Anonymous
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Thank you. About time.
Woof ! |
Anonymous
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I have bark collar it it has been really useful and effective. |
Anonymous
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I use an electric training collar and love it - it’s not more inhuman than my dog pulling on the leash and checking herself or getting a sore back from pulling on her harness. Off leash training didn’t work with a long line because she is too smart and knew when it was on.
The “shock” collar means she can run and play off leash and is sooo much happier. She would hide when I put her harness on - she comes over to get her collar on happily |
Anonymous
| I use one but it also has vibrate and beeping buttons. I have never had to shock my dog. The beep works almost every time. Probably only used the vibrate mode 5 times. |
Anonymous
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I am the op
To the previous pps If you were in Britiain you would not be allowed to use your torture device. They don't care that it is on vibrate. They don't care that your dog "happily comes to you" IT IS CONSIDERED CRUEL AND YOU ARE HORRIBLE HUMANS |
Anonymous
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What a short-sighted move. It will lead to more euthanasia of dogs that are difficult to train. Also, just so everyone is clear, police and military dogs are trained on electric collars everywhere in the world, so it's massively hypocritical to restrict civilian use. I'm an electric collar user. It is MORE HUMANE for my dog, given that otherwise he wouldn't be able to walk in the neighborhood. People like OP don't get it, and that's fine, but don't call us cruel and horrible humans. We're not. We do the best with the dogs we have. |
Anonymous
No, you just sound like you don't know much about training dogs, especially working dogs. |
Anonymous
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Pp who uses one - I put a gentle leader on her and she freaked out and couldn’t walk because she was so busy scraping it off her face.
A quick sensation that startles her and gets her attention so she can listen is so much better for her. We still use positive training, and she isn’t afraid or shut down. She just knows there is a consequence if she doesn’t listen …..we did all the training before I used it and she knew what she could get away with. The positive training method would be to never let her off the leash…..that is far crueler than her racing through the fields and playing fetch….and she is safe along with wildlife. |
Anonymous
NP. Can you explain more about how it facilitates off-leash training? Do you mean that you activate it when your dog goes too far away? Or when you call and they don't come? etc. |
Anonymous
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Sure! I have an Aussie who is very smart, and doesn’t run away as in go for miles….just go and take about twenty minutes to come back. We trained with a long leash and I think she knew what “come” meant, and also that I couldn’t catch her off leash.
I trained her with the mini educator e collar using the method where you pair a very low sensation with the command so it tells them “hey I’m talking to you” …there are lots of good books/videos that explain it in more detail. The reaction you are looking for is so minor - a look, a head turn, maybe a light scratch. FYI the technology is the same used in TENS machines for people. Once she understood that the collar meant pay attention I used it off leash - and yes, I turned it up enough to be unpleasant when she didn’t listen. It goes from 1-100 - for her 22 is the point where she decided it was worth listening to me. So now I keep it there, and almost never have to use it. It’s equivalent to a child getting a very firm consequence and then deciding its not worth it to repeat the behavior. Every dog is different - mine gets really sore from a harness and pulling on a collar is damaging to their trachea The collar enables her to be off leash and get enough exercise - them we can walk on a collar with a few smaller corrections and not pull. It’s way more clear and concise than yelling or pulling on a leash. Can it be used abusively? Sure So can leaving dogs in crates for way too long, yanking them around with leashes, or really anything a dog doesn’t like. How many dogs enjoy a gentle leader? Or a bath for that matter? My dogs tries to run and hide at bath time - and I still do it even though she is telling me she doesn’t like it and it’s uncomfortable. When I hold her collar out she walks up and waits for me to put it on. The OP will never be convinced and that’s okay - they should definitely not use something they feel uncomfortable with. I hope that positive only training works really well for the people who feel bette using it. |
Anonymous
NP. My guess is you have no clue how the vast majority of these actually work. They have settings for the power level and are used by many to simply to buzz or beep - which gets your dog's attention and causes ZERO discomfort. I literally put the collar we bought a few years ago on myself and tested the settings which went from like 0 to 50. YES! Anything above say 40 would feel like a pinch/shock - and while tolerable, I would never do that to my dogs. But at levels 0 to 25 it just buzzes like those pucks restaurants used to give you so you know when they are ready to seat you. There is NOTHING cruel or inhuman about a buzz and/or beep. And everyone I've known who use them 1) do not set them so they 'shock' their dog and 2) often only need to use them for a brief period of time while training. We used one for training maybe 4 months and never touched it again. But it was enough to help us teach our very large dog not to jump on the neighborhood children. I agree that these can be used in an abusive manner by people who ARE cruel and inhumane. Just like alcohol, guns and many other things in life. A reasonable person would acknowledge this and not call everyone that uses them cruel and horrible humans. |
Anonymous
+1 Cruel and inhumane. They should be outlawed here as well. |
Anonymous
| I agree with all of you using the collars. I too use one, but not without a tremendous amount of training from a professional and many many continued lessons. The first lesson in fact they asked me to put it on my wrist myself, so they could show me it wasn't hurting my dog. I was super skeptical. Looking back I cannot believe I ever had an opinion about something that I never even tried! So please, understand those of us who use them here love our dogs, and have the tools we have to allow our dog to live their best life. We aren't being cruel. Our dogs aren't living in abusive homes where they yelp and are afraid of us. These are our family dogs. But they also need to listen to us because if they don't they can either hurt themselves, hurt someone else, or run so far they never come back. And then all we have is another sad dog story. So please, keep your opinions about collars to yourself until you've had one on your own neck. Why not try it today??? |