Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas represents Palestinians what did you expect

Palestinians were protesting Hamas in Gaza for three years now including currently and nobody cares and nobody can report it because journalists aren’t allowed or killed by Israel . Nobody cares about Gazans till they’re dead. Not Hamas, not Israel.

Palestinians in the West Bank called President Bush and told him to not allow Hamas to even participate in the election but nobody listened.

Palestinians did everything they could outside of burn Tel Aviv or Washington to ring the alarm about Hamas.

Egypt has killed more Hamas than Israel has in the past few years.

What else do you want Arabs to do? This is not their war. It’s Israel’s

The overall poll figure has remained steady, but Palestinian support for the Hamas attacks has increased from 57% to 71% in Gaza over the past three months while dipping from 82% to 71% in the West Bank.

https://srnnews.com/the-media-line-poll-reveals-persistent-palestinian-support-for-hamas-attacks-on-israel/#:~:text=The%20overall%20poll%20figure%20has,71%25%20in%20the%20West%20Bank.

How can this be a surprise? Did you expect that Israel’s punishing response would endear them to the Palestinians people?

Who's surprised? Nobody here expressed surprise. If anything it's disappointing that Palestinians continue to back Hamas even after all of the suffering and heartbreak that Hamas's actions have brought down on Gaza.

That polling also reveals that this 71% of Gazans accept the consequences even now that they fully know what the consequences are. As such I don't see why I should concern myself with their stated and chosen fate.

Israel was randomly killing Palestinians before 10/7. Hamas's actions didn't bring anything down on Gaza, Israel was already bringing it.

Why do you persist in constantly trying to dishonestly minimize 10/7 as if it had nothing whatsoever to do with this latest Hamas-Israel war?

Israeli war cabinet knows the truth that their own IDF killed most Israelis by accident that day because they didn’t want to go inside and confront Hamas face to face. You don’t lose 300+ people to a gang of foot soldiers if you have a real ground army . They do things by air and aerial bombed the shit out of everything moving that day . The same thing that happens to Israelis on 10/7 happened to Gazans. The same manner of burns, same manner of deaths, confusion, fear except for Israel it was just one day. For Gaza, six months.

I’m not downplaying Hamas at all and what they did was dumb but they really are just foot soldiers and they don’t even have the assault weapons Americans have to kill hundreds of people and shoot thousands of rounds in milliseconds. They have Ak-47s and grenades not even Ar-15’s. Their rockets are made of freaking sugar and fertilizer. That’s largely why Israel was underestimating their threat and weren’t prepared on 10/7.

What happened was awful, tragic, and highly unfortunate and unacceptable but the Israeli war cabinet and government knows the truth about 10/7 and that what they’re doing in Gaza right now is not only disproportionate but it won’t stop Hamas at all. The Hamas Israel communicates through backchannels is not in Gaza. They’re in Turkey and Qatar and other places , and they’re not going to stop communicating with them. They don’t ever talk to Mahmoud Abbas even though they should. A two state solution with Abbas giving Palestinians statehood would automatically crush Hamas in the knees more than any war in Gaza could but Israel is determined to not have a peaceful Palestinian state that recognizes Israel even when it’s right in their backyard . When Abbas dies which will be soon, Israel will regret not taking the opportunity to make history with him because the next guy will not be an Abbas

Israel is a study in making bad choice after bad choice much like the Palestinians actually

False.

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Anonymous wrote:Candice Owens ,no fan of Muslims and vice versa, was even getting into arguments about Israel/Gaza and now she is fired. She wasn’t fired when she praised Hitler years ago. But she was fired when she criticized Israel

Are you saying to tropes are true? You sound like an antisemite

To the contrary. I’m wondering why Nazi love or Hitler love is not a red line for Jews in the way Palestinians are. All Candice said is that as a mom, Palestinian kids dying makes her very sad and she was called a Hamas supporter and an anti Semite . When she said a few years ago Hitler was misunderstood and wanted to make Germany great again, crickets . Was still hired by Jewish Ben Shapiro.

It’s odd especially given the much higher death toll from Nazis that Hitler romanticism is more accepted than saying Palestinian lives matter .

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Do the protestors who have been running a CONSTANT SIREN outside the Israeli Embassy/DC know they can't be heard within the Embassy with it's amazing acoustic barriers? Only the neighbors can hear--like us, 6 blocks away. I keep thinking there's an emergency. It's getting really annoying (to me--not the Embassy personnel).

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More rockets being fired into Israel today. Money for them could have been used to help Palestinians. What a waste.

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Anonymous wrote:The IDF put a baby in an oven and baked it in front of it’s father.

Let that sink in.

The IDF is raping women in front of their children then executing them all at Al Shifa hospital RIGHT NOW.

Everything that has been debunked that they claimed was done by “hamas” they are doing to innocent Palestinians. I will NEVER, EVER support Israel.

Our government hid 3 BILLION for Israel and has pledged to defund any UN agency that backs Palestine in the newest bill that was just passed. DISGUSTING.

Do you have citations from credible sources to back up your wild claims about the IDF baking babies in ovens or raping women in front of their children?

It was settlers who burned a baby to death and celebrated it. The baby's name was Ali Saad Dawabshe and he was 18 months old. The current Minister of National Security faniusly celebrated this event at a wedding.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-extremists-taunt-alis-on-the-grill-at-slain-toddlers-relatives/

Decades ago. The settler responsible for this action was promptly arrested and sentenced to three life sentences. Because, unlike Palestine, Israel has a functioning legal system and punishes criminal actions against Palestinians (and Israelis). The Palestinians, on the other hand, give out stipends to radicals the kill Jewish Israelis and/or their families, with the amount based on how many Jews are killed and the brutality of the violence.

Again, absolutely nobody is saying every Israeli is a lovely, blameless Saint. Nor is anybody saying that the Israeli government is wonderful and every government official is wonderful. I have been one of the most vocal supporters of Israel in this thread, and I have serious issues with the Netanyahu administration (as do most Jews and Israelis, guy will be gone after the conclusion of this war). Ben-Gvar is a monster and has absolutely no place in a functional government.

But Israel’s government being a mess has absolutely nothing to do with the current conflict. Unless you believe the batshit crazy conspiracy theories that Netanyahu and co literally conspired with Hamas to initiate 10/7, Israel is reacting in the exact same manner as any other country would in their situation to defend their country, and their residents (both those of Jewish and Palestinian backgrounds). They have outlined the conditions of the war (to return every last hostage - alive or through body retrieval- and to substantially destroy Hamas and Hamas infrastructure). Just 20 years ago, the United States reacted to a very similar national crisis in literally the exact same manner, with the primary difference being that the United States reacted by invading two countries with only a tertiary connection to the organizations responsible for the ent while Israel has limited their offensive to the nation whose government is the organization directly responsible for 10/7.

Again, while we are so angry, and sad is not because Israel is a perfect Country whose residents have never committed a single crime against any other nation, but because, and I need to make sure this is very, very clear, there is exactly one singular Country that is primarily ‘Jewish’ in the world, compared to thousands of ‘Christian’ nations, hundreds of ‘Muslim’ nations, and hundreds of nations of various other religions, yet only Israel is treated as if it does not have a right to defend itself, or to react when their citizens are brutalized. It is hard, as a Jew and with an understanding of how common both conscious and unconscious anti-Semitism has historically existed, to believe Israel’s biggest problem is not some supposed overstepping of the ‘rules of war,’ but rather that it is a Jewish nation, with that singular reality (the it is Jewish) justifies this idea that Israel should just sit back and do nothing to defend itself against the genocide of its people by Hamas (and other actors). Like Israel should just be thankful the world lets it survive at all.

Sources:

Israeli settler arrested and charged with three life sentences: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/14/world/middleeast/israeli-settler-sentenced-firebomb-attack.html

Palestinians paid stipend for Jewish deaths:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/palestinian-pay-for-slay-hamas-oct-7-israel-gaza-antony-blinken-ramallah-2dce9a22

A functioning legal system only for Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas represents Palestinians what did you expect

Palestinians were protesting Hamas in Gaza for three years now including currently and nobody cares and nobody can report it because journalists aren’t allowed or killed by Israel . Nobody cares about Gazans till they’re dead. Not Hamas, not Israel.

Palestinians in the West Bank called President Bush and told him to not allow Hamas to even participate in the election but nobody listened.

Palestinians did everything they could outside of burn Tel Aviv or Washington to ring the alarm about Hamas.

Egypt has killed more Hamas than Israel has in the past few years.

What else do you want Arabs to do? This is not their war. It’s Israel’s

The overall poll figure has remained steady, but Palestinian support for the Hamas attacks has increased from 57% to 71% in Gaza over the past three months while dipping from 82% to 71% in the West Bank.

https://srnnews.com/the-media-line-poll-reveals-persistent-palestinian-support-for-hamas-attacks-on-israel/#:~:text=The%20overall%20poll%20figure%20has,71%25%20in%20the%20West%20Bank.

How can this be a surprise? Did you expect that Israel’s punishing response would endear them to the Palestinians people?

Who's surprised? Nobody here expressed surprise. If anything it's disappointing that Palestinians continue to back Hamas even after all of the suffering and heartbreak that Hamas's actions have brought down on Gaza.

That polling also reveals that this 71% of Gazans accept the consequences even now that they fully know what the consequences are. As such I don't see why I should concern myself with their stated and chosen fate.

Then kindly exit the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas represents Palestinians what did you expect

Palestinians were protesting Hamas in Gaza for three years now including currently and nobody cares and nobody can report it because journalists aren’t allowed or killed by Israel . Nobody cares about Gazans till they’re dead. Not Hamas, not Israel.

Palestinians in the West Bank called President Bush and told him to not allow Hamas to even participate in the election but nobody listened.

Palestinians did everything they could outside of burn Tel Aviv or Washington to ring the alarm about Hamas.

Egypt has killed more Hamas than Israel has in the past few years.

What else do you want Arabs to do? This is not their war. It’s Israel’s

The overall poll figure has remained steady, but Palestinian support for the Hamas attacks has increased from 57% to 71% in Gaza over the past three months while dipping from 82% to 71% in the West Bank.

https://srnnews.com/the-media-line-poll-reveals-persistent-palestinian-support-for-hamas-attacks-on-israel/#:~:text=The%20overall%20poll%20figure%20has,71%25%20in%20the%20West%20Bank.

How can this be a surprise? Did you expect that Israel’s punishing response would endear them to the Palestinians people?

Who's surprised? Nobody here expressed surprise. If anything it's disappointing that Palestinians continue to back Hamas even after all of the suffering and heartbreak that Hamas's actions have brought down on Gaza.

That polling also reveals that this 71% of Gazans accept the consequences even now that they fully know what the consequences are. As such I don't see why I should concern myself with their stated and chosen fate.

Israel was randomly killing Palestinians before 10/7. Hamas's actions didn't bring anything down on Gaza, Israel was already bringing it.

Why do you persist in constantly trying to dishonestly minimize 10/7 as if it had nothing whatsoever to do with this latest Hamas-Israel war?

Israeli war cabinet knows the truth that their own IDF killed most Israelis by accident that day because they didn’t want to go inside and confront Hamas face to face. You don’t lose 300+ people to a gang of foot soldiers if you have a real ground army . They do things by air and aerial bombed the shit out of everything moving that day . The same thing that happens to Israelis on 10/7 happened to Gazans. The same manner of burns, same manner of deaths, confusion, fear except for Israel it was just one day. For Gaza, six months.

I’m not downplaying Hamas at all and what they did was dumb but they really are just foot soldiers and they don’t even have the assault weapons Americans have to kill hundreds of people and shoot thousands of rounds in milliseconds. They have Ak-47s and grenades not even Ar-15’s. Their rockets are made of freaking sugar and fertilizer. That’s largely why Israel was underestimating their threat and weren’t prepared on 10/7.

What happened was awful, tragic, and highly unfortunate and unacceptable but the Israeli war cabinet and government knows the truth about 10/7 and that what they’re doing in Gaza right now is not only disproportionate but it won’t stop Hamas at all. The Hamas Israel communicates through backchannels is not in Gaza. They’re in Turkey and Qatar and other places , and they’re not going to stop communicating with them. They don’t ever talk to Mahmoud Abbas even though they should. A two state solution with Abbas giving Palestinians statehood would automatically crush Hamas in the knees more than any war in Gaza could but Israel is determined to not have a peaceful Palestinian state that recognizes Israel even when it’s right in their backyard . When Abbas dies which will be soon, Israel will regret not taking the opportunity to make history with him because the next guy will not be an Abbas

Israel is a study in making bad choice after bad choice much like the Palestinians actually

False.

This is not false. In true Israeli fashion, the truth comes out in the wash later so whenever it comes out, it won’t matter really. All the Gazans and Israelis on 10/7 and hostages are dead or captive because their Army didn’t want to go stop men on motorbikes with Ak-37’s and waited weeks to go into Gaza for a ground operation. Israelis army used its own people as human shields and saves its cowardly army first in the same way Hamas does the same with its people. Hiding in tunnels peacefully as Poor Gazans who have nothing to do with Hamas or can’t even physically walk or say the word yet (too young) get killed.

Hamas and Israeli govt get along because they have similarities

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Anonymous wrote:More rockets being fired into Israel today. Money for them could have been used to help Palestinians. What a waste.

And money from Israeli weapons couldve been used to help Americans

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Anonymous wrote:Do the protestors who have been running a CONSTANT SIREN outside the Israeli Embassy/DC know they can't be heard within the Embassy with it's amazing acoustic barriers? Only the neighbors can hear--like us, 6 blocks away. I keep thinking there's an emergency. It's getting really annoying (to me--not the Embassy personnel).

There is an emergency.

And if this were the other way around and Palestinians were starving Jews and killing for six months straight, there would be noise outside their embassy as well

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.

Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.

Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?

Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.

I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?

You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.

The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?

That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.

Yes, there is. Settlers would still be pushing them out of their homes and killing them with impunity, just like they were prior to 10/7.

There aren't setttlers in Gaza, you TikTok idiot

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.

Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.

Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?

Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.

I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?

You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.

The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?

That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.

Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?

I'd love you to talk about a time that another country's government launched a brutal attack, while promising to do the same over and over into eternity, and then the response was the attacked country merely raising its hands to the sky and saying, "I guess that's that!"

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.

Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.

Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?

Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.

I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?

You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.

The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?

That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.

Yes, there is. Settlers would still be pushing them out of their homes and killing them with impunity, just like they were prior to 10/7.

There aren't setttlers in Gaza, you TikTok idiot

Why aren’t they there? They wanted the beaches of Gaza.

They wouldn’t dare because Hamas is there and it would be deadly. I wouldn’t go there either.

Do you blame Gazans for voting for Hamas then if they knew a left wing softie would only cause more settler activity to come to Gaza?

Being left wing about religious plurality , and allowing immigration is what they see as their problem all along

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More rockets being fired into Israel today. Money for them could have been used to help Palestinians. What a waste.

Meanwhile in Gaza, American dollars are being used to bomb women and children, and Jewish terrorists are murdering Palestinians in the West Bank. Just another day of Israel committing genocide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do the protestors who have been running a CONSTANT SIREN outside the Israeli Embassy/DC know they can't be heard within the Embassy with it's amazing acoustic barriers? Only the neighbors can hear--like us, 6 blocks away. I keep thinking there's an emergency. It's getting really annoying (to me--not the Embassy personnel).

There is an emergency.

And if this were the other way around and Palestinians were starving Jews and killing for six months straight, there would be noise outside their embassy as well

The protestors are making their point to the same neighbors within six blocks day after day, and not the Embassy. There are more neighborly ways to protest, since we are the only ones receiving the message.

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Anonymous wrote:Do the protestors who have been running a CONSTANT SIREN outside the Israeli Embassy/DC know they can't be heard within the Embassy with it's amazing acoustic barriers? Only the neighbors can hear--like us, 6 blocks away. I keep thinking there's an emergency. It's getting really annoying (to me--not the Embassy personnel).

There is an emergency.

And if this were the other way around and Palestinians were starving Jews and killing for six months straight, there would be noise outside their embassy as well

The protestors are making their point to the same neighbors within six blocks day after day, and not the Embassy. There are more neighborly ways to protest, since we are the only ones receiving the message.

And it's not 'noise'--it's a siren that can be heard for blocks. Not sure how it is legal TBH.