ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But his (MV) 08 BRAVE team beat Union 3:0 on Nov 18, 2023 10:00 AM at Robinson High School - Upper Turf

Nice try, He was not the 08 coach in 2023

Yes he was

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

But it is not right. GA is not ECNL. Not close. NWSL will not make a difference ont he girls side because most girls are not looking to go pro at all. Most are focused on college. The ECNL college product is the best for college coaches. There is nothing that will change that. GA is fine and you can do well in college recruiting but it is not ECNL.

The boys side is a problem for ECNL and there is no solution in the short term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:During BRAVE's existence they have committed 15 girls over 3 years.

Brave hasn’t been around 3 years. They started playing 18 months ago.

BRAVE/BRYC. Feel better?

Ever cross your mind that some kids on BRAVE just didn’t want to play in college?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of this is not relevant but a few of the answers are wrong and could be misleading to parents trying to separate signal from noise, so here’s some follow up:

“- ECNL parents are in constant state of FOMO”

Probably accurate, but unimportant of college recruiting- in fact FOMO parents can be unintentionally helpful.

“- GA is more relaxed”
Maybe? I felt like the parents were roughly the same, also not important.

“- There's bottom feeders in both leagues”

True but not super relevant other than as i noted earlier, if there’s better kids then more coaches show up.

“- The top GA teams get as much visibility with recruiters as the better ECNL teams”

Not accurate unfortunately. It’s a numbers game and there are way more college coaches at ECNL showcases and Nats.

“- There's 10ish ECNL clubs that would win in any league they play in. (Most are in California and Texas)”

Sure, but completely irrelevant to recruiting. Winning and losing is only vaguely important.

“- From a rules perspective for games, coaches, and clubs GA and ECNL are nearly identical”

Yep, totally agree.

“- If your kid is a once in a lifetime soccer talent other clubs, other leagues, colleges, and pros will find them no matter where they play”

I am not confident this is accurate, but I’ll agree.

“- For 99% of the players it doesn't matter where you play they'll end up in the same place”

100% wrong. Full stop. This trope that coaches are out there scouring the earth for players is simply wrong. For girls soccer, coaches have limited time and budget. Coaches know they can get enough of the talent they need from going to ECNL and GA tournaments/showcases and a few big club private showcases to fill their slots. College coaches wsnt to win, but it’s a churn business. They have 30 kids on the roster, 1/4 of them will graduate each year. The season is stupid short and brutal. Healthy bodies are almost as important as talent at the end of the season.

If your daughter wants to play upper D1 or high level D3 the chances of breaking through playing NPL or E64 are diminishingly small. My kid has friends who were probably as hood as she was, but they didn’t make the jump to ECNL/GA. A few belatedly tried to get a College spot, but the only interest was from D3 schools just looking for bodies.

My kids are not once in a lifetime talents. they both are good, one hit all met honorable mention and got UNited Coaches player of the week, but no call ups or huge honors. Without a chance to be seen by College coaches over and over, my kid isn’t playing in college today. As a parent, I would be fine with that, but it was her dream and i supported her. ECNL and GA are tools that help support that goal.

lol.. college coaches will get who they want, doesn’t matter the league. Yes ECNL showcases may have more coaches attend, but overall coaches will come see who they want, no matter the league.

Sure. But ECNL has about 70% of the commits to D1 and ECNL girls have a leg up at the D2 and D3 level as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

But it is not right. GA is not ECNL. Not close. NWSL will not make a difference ont he girls side because most girls are not looking to go pro at all. Most are focused on college. The ECNL college product is the best for college coaches. There is nothing that will change that. GA is fine and you can do well in college recruiting but it is not ECNL.

The boys side is a problem for ECNL and there is no solution in the short term.

And you know this how? You’re now speaking for millions of girls? lol.

GA will produce college AND possibly pro…who wouldn’t want that?

See mls next if you’re still confused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

But it is not right. GA is not ECNL. Not close. NWSL will not make a difference ont he girls side because most girls are not looking to go pro at all. Most are focused on college. The ECNL college product is the best for college coaches. There is nothing that will change that. GA is fine and you can do well in college recruiting but it is not ECNL.

The boys side is a problem for ECNL and there is no solution in the short term.

Uh, I think you are completely mistaken to assume all families are looking at college but not NWSL. Guarantee there are plenty who would line right up for the opportunity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of this is not relevant but a few of the answers are wrong and could be misleading to parents trying to separate signal from noise, so here’s some follow up:

“- ECNL parents are in constant state of FOMO”

Probably accurate, but unimportant of college recruiting- in fact FOMO parents can be unintentionally helpful.

“- GA is more relaxed”
Maybe? I felt like the parents were roughly the same, also not important.

“- There's bottom feeders in both leagues”

True but not super relevant other than as i noted earlier, if there’s better kids then more coaches show up.

“- The top GA teams get as much visibility with recruiters as the better ECNL teams”

Not accurate unfortunately. It’s a numbers game and there are way more college coaches at ECNL showcases and Nats.

“- There's 10ish ECNL clubs that would win in any league they play in. (Most are in California and Texas)”

Sure, but completely irrelevant to recruiting. Winning and losing is only vaguely important.

“- From a rules perspective for games, coaches, and clubs GA and ECNL are nearly identical”

Yep, totally agree.

“- If your kid is a once in a lifetime soccer talent other clubs, other leagues, colleges, and pros will find them no matter where they play”

I am not confident this is accurate, but I’ll agree.

“- For 99% of the players it doesn't matter where you play they'll end up in the same place”

100% wrong. Full stop. This trope that coaches are out there scouring the earth for players is simply wrong. For girls soccer, coaches have limited time and budget. Coaches know they can get enough of the talent they need from going to ECNL and GA tournaments/showcases and a few big club private showcases to fill their slots. College coaches wsnt to win, but it’s a churn business. They have 30 kids on the roster, 1/4 of them will graduate each year. The season is stupid short and brutal. Healthy bodies are almost as important as talent at the end of the season.

If your daughter wants to play upper D1 or high level D3 the chances of breaking through playing NPL or E64 are diminishingly small. My kid has friends who were probably as hood as she was, but they didn’t make the jump to ECNL/GA. A few belatedly tried to get a College spot, but the only interest was from D3 schools just looking for bodies.

My kids are not once in a lifetime talents. they both are good, one hit all met honorable mention and got UNited Coaches player of the week, but no call ups or huge honors. Without a chance to be seen by College coaches over and over, my kid isn’t playing in college today. As a parent, I would be fine with that, but it was her dream and i supported her. ECNL and GA are tools that help support that goal.

lol.. college coaches will get who they want, doesn’t matter the league. Yes ECNL showcases may have more coaches attend, but overall coaches will come see who they want, no matter the league.

Sure. But ECNL has about 70% of the commits to D1 and ECNL girls have a leg up at the D2 and D3 level as well.

If your kid plays on a crap ECNL team… I would rather take my chances at a successful GA team

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But his (MV) 08 BRAVE team beat Union 3:0 on Nov 18, 2023 10:00 AM at Robinson High School - Upper Turf

Nice try, He was not the 08 coach in 2023

Yes he was

Not according to the brave website.

https://www.fairfaxbrave.org/girls-ecnl/girls-coaching-staff

So if the team is good he’s a good coach. If the team is bad, the girls suck. Heads he wins. Tails you lose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

But it is not right. GA is not ECNL. Not close. NWSL will not make a difference ont he girls side because most girls are not looking to go pro at all. Most are focused on college. The ECNL college product is the best for college coaches. There is nothing that will change that. GA is fine and you can do well in college recruiting but it is not ECNL.

The boys side is a problem for ECNL and there is no solution in the short term.

Uh, I think you are completely mistaken to assume all families are looking at college but not NWSL. Guarantee there are plenty who would line right up for the opportunity.

It's not an either or choice. ECNL guy is trying to spread fun by making people think that it is.

What makes MLSN appealing to boys is they have the option to play professionally or in college. ECNL for boys only feeds into college.

If NSWL partnered with a youth club players would still be considered amateur until they played for the highest level team. What this means is that you can still play in college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of this is not relevant but a few of the answers are wrong and could be misleading to parents trying to separate signal from noise, so here’s some follow up:

“- ECNL parents are in constant state of FOMO”

Probably accurate, but unimportant of college recruiting- in fact FOMO parents can be unintentionally helpful.

“- GA is more relaxed”
Maybe? I felt like the parents were roughly the same, also not important.

“- There's bottom feeders in both leagues”

True but not super relevant other than as i noted earlier, if there’s better kids then more coaches show up.

“- The top GA teams get as much visibility with recruiters as the better ECNL teams”

Not accurate unfortunately. It’s a numbers game and there are way more college coaches at ECNL showcases and Nats.

“- There's 10ish ECNL clubs that would win in any league they play in. (Most are in California and Texas)”

Sure, but completely irrelevant to recruiting. Winning and losing is only vaguely important.

“- From a rules perspective for games, coaches, and clubs GA and ECNL are nearly identical”

Yep, totally agree.

“- If your kid is a once in a lifetime soccer talent other clubs, other leagues, colleges, and pros will find them no matter where they play”

I am not confident this is accurate, but I’ll agree.

“- For 99% of the players it doesn't matter where you play they'll end up in the same place”

100% wrong. Full stop. This trope that coaches are out there scouring the earth for players is simply wrong. For girls soccer, coaches have limited time and budget. Coaches know they can get enough of the talent they need from going to ECNL and GA tournaments/showcases and a few big club private showcases to fill their slots. College coaches wsnt to win, but it’s a churn business. They have 30 kids on the roster, 1/4 of them will graduate each year. The season is stupid short and brutal. Healthy bodies are almost as important as talent at the end of the season.

If your daughter wants to play upper D1 or high level D3 the chances of breaking through playing NPL or E64 are diminishingly small. My kid has friends who were probably as hood as she was, but they didn’t make the jump to ECNL/GA. A few belatedly tried to get a College spot, but the only interest was from D3 schools just looking for bodies.

My kids are not once in a lifetime talents. they both are good, one hit all met honorable mention and got UNited Coaches player of the week, but no call ups or huge honors. Without a chance to be seen by College coaches over and over, my kid isn’t playing in college today. As a parent, I would be fine with that, but it was her dream and i supported her. ECNL and GA are tools that help support that goal.

lol.. college coaches will get who they want, doesn’t matter the league. Yes ECNL showcases may have more coaches attend, but overall coaches will come see who they want, no matter the league.

Sure. But ECNL has about 70% of the commits to D1 and ECNL girls have a leg up at the D2 and D3 level as well.

If your kid plays on a crap ECNL team… I would rather take my chances at a successful GA team

Bingo.

Also eventually ECNL teams will join GA (it's just how things work) either because they're getting tired of getting beat in ECNL or because they think they can run GA and get more visibility for their teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

That bolded part is so wrong.....

792 D1 verbal commitments for the 2025 class & breakdown by platform.

#ECNL -575 (72.6%)
#GirlsAcademy -166 (21%)
All Others -27 (3.4%)
🇨🇦 -24 (3%)

There’s a twitter handle that is tracking all this.

How many players are in ECNL and how many are in GA? The above numbers are meaningless without the denominators.

No matter how you try to defend it, there's not 3-4 times the number of girls in ECNL than GA. Maybe 25% more girls. But over three times the number of D1 committs. And that ratio gets more pronounced next year as the better teams move from GA to ECNL....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:During BRAVE's existence they have committed 15 girls over 3 years.

Brave hasn’t been around 3 years. They started playing 18 months ago.

BRAVE/BRYC. Feel better?

Ever cross your mind that some kids on BRAVE just didn’t want to play in college?

Then they were certainly playing for the right club and the right coach. And that’s why they are losing ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

That bolded part is so wrong.....

792 D1 verbal commitments for the 2025 class & breakdown by platform.

#ECNL -575 (72.6%)
#GirlsAcademy -166 (21%)
All Others -27 (3.4%)
🇨🇦 -24 (3%)

There’s a twitter handle that is tracking all this.

How many players are in ECNL and how many are in GA? The above numbers are meaningless without the denominators.

No matter how you try to defend it, there's not 3-4 times the number of girls in ECNL than GA. Maybe 25% more girls. But over three times the number of D1 committs. And that ratio gets more pronounced next year as the better teams move from GA to ECNL....

Keep trying to spread fud.

ECNL added 4 clubs and GA added 10 the number of college commits from each league wont change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

But it is not right. GA is not ECNL. Not close. NWSL will not make a difference ont he girls side because most girls are not looking to go pro at all. Most are focused on college. The ECNL college product is the best for college coaches. There is nothing that will change that. GA is fine and you can do well in college recruiting but it is not ECNL.

The boys side is a problem for ECNL and there is no solution in the short term.

And you know this how? You’re now speaking for millions of girls? lol.

GA will produce college AND possibly pro…who wouldn’t want that?

See mls next if you’re still confused.

The guy you're trying to reason with is an ECNL mega homer.

You can't reason with him he'll just keep trying to bring out gotchas and edge cases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

Exactly right!