3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

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Anonymous wrote:The manifesto is going to be released:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nashville-shooter-audrey-hale-s-manifesto-to-be-released-official/ar-AA19f7c5

Like a lot of people, I'll read it out of general interest, but it's not going to change the fact that it was written by a disturbed person with guns who wanted to get famous and commit suicide by cop. I mean, does it really matter what reasons these killers give for why they kill? They all have some kind of grievances, real or imagined, and they are clearly intent on dying and taking others with them in a very newsworthy fashion. The only mass killer in recent history whose motives I'd like to know is the Las Vegas shooter. He killed 60 people and wounded 100s of others and nobody knows why.

+1 doesn't matter any more than the Buffalo grocery racist shooter nor the congressional baseball game shooter. It's all just a reason to deflect from...

What can we do to decrease gun deaths? Also nobody is daying eliminate. Reduce. Gunshot wounds are the number one cause of death in the US and tje GOP is deflecting with legislation about trans kids and books. GUNS ARE THE ACTUAL DANGER.

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The people behind the gun pulling the trigger are the actual danger. Guns do not shoot themselves.

When a gun is used to hurt or kill innocent people it is being used by a criminal or an extremely mentally ill person. These are the people who should not have access to firearms.

do tell how you're going to keep guns away from the mentally ill, some not even diagnosed yet.

How about starting with a database of who owns guns and mental healthcare workers could report people to police who shouldn’t have guns. A red flag system. If there is a gun registered to the home the police can go investigate.

Which Republicans are proposing this?

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

Please tell me why the GOP is frothing about book banning and trans healthcare to "PROTECT THE INNOCENT CHILDREN" and will do absolutely nothing about the #1 actual cause of death for children? You see the cognitive disconnect and hypocrisy, right? Please tell me you see it?

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

I think you misunderstood the pp.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

Please tell me why the GOP is frothing about book banning and trans healthcare to "PROTECT THE INNOCENT CHILDREN" and will do absolutely nothing about the #1 actual cause of death for children? You see the cognitive disconnect and hypocrisy, right? Please tell me you see it?

Yes, we're making similar points. Also, "protecting unborn life" but forget about protecting life once a child is born.

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Anonymous wrote:Sane people don't go around mass murdering people. Clearly this woman was mentally ill (even her parents had concerns about her well-being). The problem is mental illness, not guns.

+1000

But what would this mentally ill person have done without legally purchased guns? Not shoot 6 people dead.

There are other ways to harm than just guns. Such as bombs, using cars as a weapon, poisonous gas, etc.

If someone wants to kill, they’re going to do it. Taking one tool away to kill won’t solve that.

Then why don’t we see this happening with the same frequency in other countries?

Because other countries don’t push violence on tv 24/7 like America does.

And they have much more strict gun regulation they usually pass after the first mass shooting. Unlike the US were guns more before people.

Yup. In the US, mass shootings BOOST gun sales.

That’s just how dysfunctional our country is.

As it should be. I want to protect myself from a crazy shooter.

Okay. But you can’t, not in reality. “Good” guys are never the iconic cowboys they think they’ll be. They’re too afraid to remember how to shoot at all or they shoot innocents or just crap themselves like everyone else. And honestly what kind of mental problem is it if someone keeps buying guns with each mass shooting? At the end of the year, if you bought one gun for every mass shooting in 2021, you’d have 690 guns and then an additional 647 for 2022 and then 131 for this year so far. What kind of idiot needs 1468 guns to feel better about themselves? A gulllible, egotistical and not very intelligent kind of idiot.

Hop on youtube and you will find plenty of evidence to the contrary. There are channels dedicated to that sort of thing.

Hop into the news and you can find plenty of evidence that I’m right and you’re wrong.

Actually you can find actual evidence - not a pathetic YouTube wormhole someone uses to ramp up their cortisol - that I’m right and you’re wrong.

“In fact, recently gathered data show that fewer than one-third of all active shooters are actually stopped by law enforcement. Moreover, "good guys" with both guns and badges have been responsible for dozens of friendly-fire deaths of their fellow officers, and the other "good guys with guns"—security guards or bystanders—are frequently killed by police arriving on the scene. In fact, in the last seven years alone, police officers have shot and killed more than 8,000 people in this country.” https://policingequity.org/resources/blog/the-fiction-of-a-good-guy-with-a-gun

“From 2000 to 2021, ALERRT researchers studied 464 attacks (434 shootings, 23 knife attacks and seven vehicle attacks) and found civilians — including security guards and off-duty police officers — stopped attackers before police arrived on 73 occasions. In the vast majority of those cases (67%), bystanders subdued the assailant using physical force.

An armed civilian stopped attacks by shooting the suspect in 24 of the 464 attacks recorded, about 5% of all events.” Emphasis mine. Wowie. 5% to 67% of people just going for it and overpowering the loser gun nut. https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/midwest/how-often-does-a-good-guy-with-a-gun-end-an-attack/

Gosh, how about just a good guy who’s not a cop but is paid to be there? Like a school officer, how about that? “Research disputes recent assertions from Cruz and others that armed law enforcement on campus is “the most effective tool for keeping kids safe.” A 2021 JAMA Network Open study analyzed every documented incident from 1980-2019 in which “one or more people was intentionally shot in a school building during the school day, or where a perpetrator came to school heavily armed with the intent of firing indiscriminately.” It found “no association between having an armed officer and deterrence of violence.” “When there’s more guns, more people die,” says Jillian Peterson, one of the author’s of the JAMA study.” Oh, so no joy there, either. https://time.com/6182970/good-guys-guns-mass-shootings-uvalde/

I’ve got a crazy mad idea but given that the Republicans would just as soon see every last one of us exploded in a red explosion of tissue and have tried nothing: WHAT ABOUT IF WE DIDN’T HAVE SO DUCKING MANY GUNS. It’s so crazy it just might work here like it does in every other ducking country with gun control.

Stat is incorrect. 5% is actually around 55%. All one has to do is aggregate the actual reported news for a year.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/08/10/the_good_guys_with_guns_the_fbi_stats_omit_846869.html#!

Sorry, John Lott is one person with an opinion, that doesn't make his information factual. He has been discredited. Typical GOP, don't get that one opinion doesn't make a fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott

All he did was go through media and add up the stories. You don’t like media?

And his methods and conclusions were refuted by other researchers repeatedly. You don't like science, data? You never took a basic research methods class did you?

Again, all he did was go through media and add up stories. Why didn’t the researchers?

You understand that not all gun crimes make the news so this is already a pretty sh*tty way to do research. That's a logical criticism.

Also, why did his study show one thing and many other studies not? One study does not make a consensus. Paying attention to one study and completely disregarding multiple other studies simply because your heart cannot fathom that they might be true, that's not scientific, right?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

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Friendly reminder. Rights are not absolute.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

4) Why do criminals from Mexican cartels turn to US red states for straw purchases to source their guns?

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This didn't age well. Maybe right wing Christian conservatives will start reevaluating themselves, but that would be off brand.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

4) Why do criminals from Mexican cartels turn to US red states for straw purchases to source their guns?

Because it's easier to get guns from the US than to buy them legally in Mexico. Also, the US is the #1 gun exporter in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

Do you mean the party of

“My body, MY choice!”

?

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

4) Why do criminals from Mexican cartels turn to US red states for straw purchases to source their guns?

Because it's easier to get guns from the US than to buy them legally in Mexico. Also, the US is the #1 gun exporter in the world.

Wrong.

The Mexican cartels get guns from Central America, left over from the many wars there.