High CogAT high NNAT low/er wisc

[Anonymous]

Is that possible?

I’m wondering if I should pursue a WISC and see if there is a significant difference between that and the NNAT/CogAT scores.

I’ve seen 132+ NNAT CogAT go with 150+ WISC, and that was shocking, but could I be more shocked with a 132+ NNAT CogAT and let’s say a 120 WISC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is that possible?

I’m wondering if I should pursue a WISC and see if there is a significant difference between that and the NNAT/CogAT scores.

I’ve seen 132+ NNAT CogAT go with 150+ WISC, and that was shocking, but could I be more shocked with a 132+ NNAT CogAT and let’s say a 120 WISC?

What purpose does it serve to pursue this? We’re getting a wisc to apply to private school. I wouldn’t do it just to see if I can be shocked by different scores in my sample of 1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is that possible?

I’m wondering if I should pursue a WISC and see if there is a significant difference between that and the NNAT/CogAT scores.

I’ve seen 132+ NNAT CogAT go with 150+ WISC, and that was shocking, but could I be more shocked with a 132+ NNAT CogAT and let’s say a 120 WISC?

The NNAT and CoGAT are less precise then the WiSC. It could be that a kid guessed on the NNAT and CoGAT and ended up with a higher score then a WiSC just as easily as a kid guessed and ended up with a lower NNAT or CoGAT score then a WiSC score.

[Anonymous]

It’s not that shocking for a kid to have 132+ CogAT and 120 WISC. CogAT has a very low ceiling, and a few lucky guesses can make a huge difference. Many WISC sections are not multiple choice, so the kid has to know the answer.

[Anonymous]

Can both CogAT and NNAT be high with a lower WISC? I know that NNAT is not too much respected, or at least not as much as the CogAT, but for this kid the NNAT and CogAT were consistent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is that possible?

I’m wondering if I should pursue a WISC and see if there is a significant difference between that and the NNAT/CogAT scores.

I’ve seen 132+ NNAT CogAT go with 150+ WISC, and that was shocking, but could I be more shocked with a 132+ NNAT CogAT and let’s say a 120 WISC?

Despite what you may have been told, NNAT and CogAT are highly trainable. A bright but not genius-level kid can train themselves to answer nearly all the questions correctly once they have learned the tricks for each of the question types.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is that possible?

I’m wondering if I should pursue a WISC and see if there is a significant difference between that and the NNAT/CogAT scores.

I’ve seen 132+ NNAT CogAT go with 150+ WISC, and that was shocking, but could I be more shocked with a 132+ NNAT CogAT and let’s say a 120 WISC?

Despite what you may have been told, NNAT and CogAT are highly trainable. A bright but not genius-level kid can train themselves to answer nearly all the questions correctly once they have learned the tricks for each of the question types.

SAT was originally conceived as an IQ test but was found to be highly trainable as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is that possible?

I’m wondering if I should pursue a WISC and see if there is a significant difference between that and the NNAT/CogAT scores.

I’ve seen 132+ NNAT CogAT go with 150+ WISC, and that was shocking, but could I be more shocked with a 132+ NNAT CogAT and let’s say a 120 WISC?

Despite what you may have been told, NNAT and CogAT are highly trainable. A bright but not genius-level kid can train themselves to answer nearly all the questions correctly once they have learned the tricks for each of the question types.

Two questions on this:

1. By how many points can prepping help?
2. In fcps we also get a county percentile. Would that not account for pepping?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can both CogAT and NNAT be high with a lower WISC? I know that NNAT is not too much respected, or at least not as much as the CogAT, but for this kid the NNAT and CogAT were consistent.

Absolutely. Both CogAT and NNAT are multiple choice, both are easily prepped, and neither one is even close to as comprehensive as the WISC, and neither has a particularly high ceiling.

There isn't a benefit to getting a WISC for a child who has high CogAT and NNAT. FCPS mostly discounts the WISC for AAP admissions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can both CogAT and NNAT be high with a lower WISC? I know that NNAT is not too much respected, or at least not as much as the CogAT, but for this kid the NNAT and CogAT were consistent.

Absolutely. Both CogAT and NNAT are multiple choice, both are easily prepped, and neither one is even close to as comprehensive as the WISC, and neither has a particularly high ceiling.

There isn't a benefit to getting a WISC for a child who has high CogAT and NNAT. FCPS mostly discounts the WISC for AAP admissions.

It’s for me, not for the admission.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can both CogAT and NNAT be high with a lower WISC? I know that NNAT is not too much respected, or at least not as much as the CogAT, but for this kid the NNAT and CogAT were consistent.

Absolutely. Both CogAT and NNAT are multiple choice, both are easily prepped, and neither one is even close to as comprehensive as the WISC, and neither has a particularly high ceiling.

There isn't a benefit to getting a WISC for a child who has high CogAT and NNAT. FCPS mostly discounts the WISC for AAP admissions.

It’s for me, not for the admission.

Then don't have your DC prep for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can both CogAT and NNAT be high with a lower WISC? I know that NNAT is not too much respected, or at least not as much as the CogAT, but for this kid the NNAT and CogAT were consistent.

Absolutely. Both CogAT and NNAT are multiple choice, both are easily prepped, and neither one is even close to as comprehensive as the WISC, and neither has a particularly high ceiling.

There isn't a benefit to getting a WISC for a child who has high CogAT and NNAT. FCPS mostly discounts the WISC for AAP admissions.

It’s for me, not for the admission.

Then don't have your DC prep for it.

Sure. Didn’t prep for the other two. The question was if it’s possible? Will I get new information ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is that possible?

I’m wondering if I should pursue a WISC and see if there is a significant difference between that and the NNAT/CogAT scores.

I’ve seen 132+ NNAT CogAT go with 150+ WISC, and that was shocking, but could I be more shocked with a 132+ NNAT CogAT and let’s say a 120 WISC?

Despite what you may have been told, NNAT and CogAT are highly trainable. A bright but not genius-level kid can train themselves to answer nearly all the questions correctly once they have learned the tricks for each of the question types.

Two questions on this:

1. By how many points can prepping help?
2. In fcps we also get a county percentile. Would that not account for pepping?

1. Depends on the baseline cognitive level and the amount of time spent practicing, assuming the kid is motivated to learning the techniques. Under the right conditions a good tutor can turn a lump of coal into a diamond. But nobody can turn a frog into a diamond.

2. It's impossible to figure out how much of the tail end is fattened because of prepping. Some areas might just attract a smart adults who have smart kids. Almost nobody who preps will admit to it non-anonymously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can both CogAT and NNAT be high with a lower WISC? I know that NNAT is not too much respected, or at least not as much as the CogAT, but for this kid the NNAT and CogAT were consistent.

Absolutely. Both CogAT and NNAT are multiple choice, both are easily prepped, and neither one is even close to as comprehensive as the WISC, and neither has a particularly high ceiling.

There isn't a benefit to getting a WISC for a child who has high CogAT and NNAT. FCPS mostly discounts the WISC for AAP admissions.

It’s for me, not for the admission.

Then don't have your DC prep for it.

Sure. Didn’t prep for the other two. The question was if it’s possible? Will I get new information ?

Yes it's possible and yes you'll get new information. Even if the FSIQ is the same, you'll have subscores including scores for working memory and processing speed, and both an FSIQ and a GAI.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can both CogAT and NNAT be high with a lower WISC? I know that NNAT is not too much respected, or at least not as much as the CogAT, but for this kid the NNAT and CogAT were consistent.

Absolutely. Both CogAT and NNAT are multiple choice, both are easily prepped, and neither one is even close to as comprehensive as the WISC, and neither has a particularly high ceiling.

There isn't a benefit to getting a WISC for a child who has high CogAT and NNAT. FCPS mostly discounts the WISC for AAP admissions.

It’s for me, not for the admission.

Then don't have your DC prep for it.

Sure. Didn’t prep for the other two. The question was if it’s possible? Will I get new information ?

Yes - it will give you more accurate info about your child. And yes, I think there are many kids who score 130+ on the cogat that would score around 120 on a WISC.