Soooo, how is high-density looking to everyone now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Density Bros, thanks to the GOP operative the development community hired to message their hugely impactful agenda , has learned to obfuscate and make things sound so non-threatening. “Gentle density.” Just recommendations, not really binding. Coronavirus response.

And two years from now you wake up one morning to find the house next door being demolished for a 12 story lux-condo building.

I don't know that you can call them GOP operatives. They are lobbyists. That is what they do. I am not sure they care who is paying their bills. Did they work for a conservative before? Yes. For their next job are they going to be called liberal operatives.

But you are correct in that I am not looking forward to the Mayor's declarations as soon as this Comp Plan/recommendation/bill/proposal passes.

Wouldn’t you call Trump’s pollster a GOP operative?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Density Bros, thanks to the GOP operative the development community hired to message their hugely impactful agenda , has learned to obfuscate and make things sound so non-threatening. “Gentle density.” Just recommendations, not really binding. Coronavirus response.

And two years from now you wake up one morning to find the house next door being demolished for a 12 story lux-condo building.

It's true there is a lot of word play, messaging and branding going on. But to cloak it as a COVID response is just a step too far. They and the Mayor blew it with that one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Density Bros, thanks to the GOP operative the development community hired to message their hugely impactful agenda , has learned to obfuscate and make things sound so non-threatening. “Gentle density.” Just recommendations, not really binding. Coronavirus response.

And two years from now you wake up one morning to find the house next door being demolished for a 12 story lux-condo building.

I don't know that you can call them GOP operatives. They are lobbyists. That is what they do. I am not sure they care who is paying their bills. Did they work for a conservative before? Yes. For their next job are they going to be called liberal operatives.

But you are correct in that I am not looking forward to the Mayor's declarations as soon as this Comp Plan/recommendation/bill/proposal passes.

Wouldn’t you call Trump’s pollster a GOP operative?

I think that pollsters and lobbyists are pollsters and lobbyists. I really do not think that most of them care who signs the checks. They are selling a service.

[Anonymous]

Any recommendations in the Mayor's planned legislation for these vibrant high density buildings that will --looking for the right word here-- "solve?" the DC Covid emergency to be "virus-smart"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gentrification or "increasing density" or whatever people call it these days is basically affirmative action for rich white people.

It's basically buying homes from African-Americans, knocking them down and replacing them with million-dollar condos for rich white people.

In 20 years, DC will be mostly rich white people, and the suburbs will the place that's actually diverse, racially and economically.

LUXURY CONDOS NOW!

[Anonymous]

The fact that the outbreak disproportionately impacted New York and New Jersey can primarily be attributed to the population size and density of the New York metropolitan area. Aside from the fact that New York City is easily the largest city in the country, people in New York City tend to live on top of one another. Further, the insanely high rent in the area results in a higher percentage of adults who live with roommates.

As an illustrative point, the population density in New York City is more than double what you’ll find in other large cities like Chicago.

CBS adds:

The epicenter of the country’s outbreak is New York City, the most populous city in the U.S. with 8 million residents. It’s also got the country’s highest population density, with 27,000 people per square mile. That, coupled with a subway system that sees 5.5 million commuters daily, make it prime breeding ground for infection.

New Jersey, across the Hudson River from Manhattan, is home to hundreds of thousands of commuters who worked in the city before the pandemic hit. Plus, it has the highest population density of any state.

https://bgr.com/2020/05/28/coronavirus-deaths-us-new-york-epicenter/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact that the outbreak disproportionately impacted New York and New Jersey can primarily be attributed to the population size and density of the New York metropolitan area. Aside from the fact that New York City is easily the largest city in the country, people in New York City tend to live on top of one another. Further, the insanely high rent in the area results in a higher percentage of adults who live with roommates.

As an illustrative point, the population density in New York City is more than double what you’ll find in other large cities like Chicago.

CBS adds:

The epicenter of the country’s outbreak is New York City, the most populous city in the U.S. with 8 million residents. It’s also got the country’s highest population density, with 27,000 people per square mile. That, coupled with a subway system that sees 5.5 million commuters daily, make it prime breeding ground for infection.

New Jersey, across the Hudson River from Manhattan, is home to hundreds of thousands of commuters who worked in the city before the pandemic hit. Plus, it has the highest population density of any state.

https://bgr.com/2020/05/28/coronavirus-deaths-us-new-york-epicenter/

I won't dispute that density increases the rate of unchecked spread, or the importance of quick and decisive intervention. But numerous other dense cities around the world managed to manage this pandemic without issues. For example, Seoul is much denser than NYC, they had an earlier outbreak, and yet they got it under control much more quickly. The same thing is true throughout Asia. The countries in Europe where there have been large outbeaks haven't targeted cities as much as they have here, even though they also have very dense cities by U.S. standards.

America's real problem is that our libertarian ethos is so deep-rooted that we'll let it it kill thousands of our citizens while scarcely batting an eye.

[Anonymous]

The density crowd loves offering up South Korea as an example for why density has nothing to do with Corona virus spread.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/05/30/south-korea-closes-schools-again-amid-covid-19-spike-days-after-reopening/

South Korea closed hundreds of schools that had reopened days earlier — and postponed the opening of many others — after a spike in cases of the
novel coronavirus.

The country had started to stage the opening of schools in the last week, instituting social distancing and prevention measures in an attempt to prevent the spread of the virus.

But according to the Korea Times, hundreds of schools were closed again because of high infection rates in their communities. It cited the Ministry of Education as saying that 838 schools of the 20,902 nationwide that were supposed to reopen on Wednesday did not, including in Seoul, and hundreds closed on Thursday in Seoul, Bucheon and other cities.

South Korea had more diagnosed patients with coronavirus than any country other than China in late February, but it implemented a tough program of contact tracing, isolation and other measures, containing the virus. South Korea still reports that fewer than 300 people have died of covid-19.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that the outbreak disproportionately impacted New York and New Jersey can primarily be attributed to the population size and density of the New York metropolitan area. Aside from the fact that New York City is easily the largest city in the country, people in New York City tend to live on top of one another. Further, the insanely high rent in the area results in a higher percentage of adults who live with roommates.

As an illustrative point, the population density in New York City is more than double what you’ll find in other large cities like Chicago.

CBS adds:

The epicenter of the country’s outbreak is New York City, the most populous city in the U.S. with 8 million residents. It’s also got the country’s highest population density, with 27,000 people per square mile. That, coupled with a subway system that sees 5.5 million commuters daily, make it prime breeding ground for infection.

New Jersey, across the Hudson River from Manhattan, is home to hundreds of thousands of commuters who worked in the city before the pandemic hit. Plus, it has the highest population density of any state.

https://bgr.com/2020/05/28/coronavirus-deaths-us-new-york-epicenter/

I won't dispute that density increases the rate of unchecked spread, or the importance of quick and decisive intervention. But numerous other dense cities around the world managed to manage this pandemic without issues. For example, Seoul is much denser than NYC, they had an earlier outbreak, and yet they got it under control much more quickly. The same thing is true throughout Asia. The countries in Europe where there have been large outbeaks haven't targeted cities as much as they have here, even though they also have very dense cities by U.S. standards.

America's real problem is that our libertarian ethos is so deep-rooted that we'll let it it kill thousands of our citizens while scarcely batting an eye.

If this is tour view, why on earth would you want more density?

[Anonymous]

Hey Density Bros,

Sorry, but folks don’t want to hugely densify lower-density stable neighborhoods like the Palisades and Chevy Chase DC. There are lots of other opportunities for density in the District including the ballpark area and industrial brownfield sites along emerging New York Avenue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hey Density Bros,

Sorry, but folks don’t want to hugely densify lower-density stable neighborhoods like the Palisades and Chevy Chase DC. There are lots of other opportunities for density in the District including the ballpark area and industrial brownfield sites along emerging New York Avenue.

Please go take your hydroxychloroquine.

[Anonymous]

Oh, our Density Bros/Bras leader has returned. Fair leader, what would you have us believe today?

[Anonymous]

Hasn't the density push always been just a racket to force and/or glamorize the masses to live like rats in "shipping container" style buildings that are far cheaper to build (i.e. higher margins) than aesthetic real houses on bigger parcels of land?

I'm never sure if the nutty shills who push this density living online and at council and planning meetings are genuinely brainwashed or paid plants by developers trying to feign there's some passion for these projects.

Same for mass transit, which is always just boondoggles making insiders filthy rich off planning and construction, then never-ending soaking of the middle class to pay for another bloated union.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hasn't the density push always been just a racket to force and/or glamorize the masses to live like rats in "shipping container" style buildings that are far cheaper to build (i.e. higher margins) than aesthetic real houses on bigger parcels of land?

I'm never sure if the nutty shills who push this density living online and at council and planning meetings are genuinely brainwashed or paid plants by developers trying to feign there's some passion for these projects.

Same for mass transit, which is always just boondoggles making insiders filthy rich off planning and construction, then never-ending soaking of the middle class to pay for another bloated union.

Seems like a future of protein pellets, shipping containers and electronic bracelets to let us rotate through the remaining parks on our allotted time and see the sky.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hasn't the density push always been just a racket to force and/or glamorize the masses to live like rats in "shipping container" style buildings that are far cheaper to build (i.e. higher margins) than aesthetic real houses on bigger parcels of land?

I'm never sure if the nutty shills who push this density living online and at council and planning meetings are genuinely brainwashed or paid plants by developers trying to feign there's some passion for these projects.

Same for mass transit, which is always just boondoggles making insiders filthy rich off planning and construction, then never-ending soaking of the middle class to pay for another bloated union.

Seems like a future of protein pellets, shipping containers and electronic bracelets to let us rotate through the remaining parks on our allotted time and see the sky.

Did you just reply to your own message? Anything to keep this thread going??