Soooo, how is high-density looking to everyone now?

[Anonymous]

Isnt the point that the Mayor likes the plan and wants it to become law?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Currently there is no legislative proposal that incorporates "gentle density."

If you believe there is a proposal or that it is incorporated somewhere in the proposal DCOP sent to DC Council more than a month ago to update the Comp Plan please provide a citation for where it is in that legislation.

Otherwise all we have is a report with recommendations and you can repeat it all you want that it is a formal proposal but that will never make it true.

Genuine question here as a reader of this thread:

As per the Plan DC website run by the Office of Planning, the Comp Plan becomes legislation upon approval. So how are the proposals and recommendations in it right now, not considered as potential legislation if the current Comp Plan is accepted by the Council?

PP, you are confused about this because the process is confusing. In fact, the OP would probably like you to be confused. The OP's own guidance has contradictory information about the very subject that you bring up, but they attempt to clarify that the Comp Plan DOES NOT have the force of law or regulation as well. The following is a quote from Andrew Trueblood's guidance that he wrote each ANC upon receiving their COMP plan markups.

Background on Changes to the Comprehensive Plan
The Comp Plan is a high-level guiding document that sets an inclusive, long-term vision for the
physical development of the District of Columbia. The purpose of the Comp Plan is to help guide
the District’s growth and change, resulting in positive outcomes for both current and future
residents of the District.

The Comp Plan establishes a context and sets broad goals to inform public decision-making and
future fine-grained planning efforts. It informs zoning regulations and capital budgeting.
However, it does not have the force of law or regulation.

Trueblood is blowing smoke. The Comp Plan absolutely has the force of law. That’s why the DC Council and not the Zoning Board enacts it. The Com Plan is very important for a variety of reasons including to Planned Unit Developments, which can vary from zoning if the BZA determines that they are “not inconsistent with the Comprehensive Plan” - a fairly loose standard. Trueblood is acting like the CP is no big deal, as the Bowser admin is making a full court press to get the Council to approve it, even arguing that it will address the pandemic ! They are shameless and disingenuous.

And another nonsensical accusation has been leveled - did you want to provide a citation for that one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Density Bros are so tiresome. It’s tough always having to blog from mom’s basement.

Please go take your hydroxychloroquine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Currently there is no legislative proposal that incorporates "gentle density."

If you believe there is a proposal or that it is incorporated somewhere in the proposal DCOP sent to DC Council more than a month ago to update the Comp Plan please provide a citation for where it is in that legislation.

Otherwise all we have is a report with recommendations and you can repeat it all you want that it is a formal proposal but that will never make it true.

Genuine question here as a reader of this thread:

As per the Plan DC website run by the Office of Planning, the Comp Plan becomes legislation upon approval. So how are the proposals and recommendations in it right now, not considered as potential legislation if the current Comp Plan is accepted by the Council?

PP, you are confused about this because the process is confusing. In fact, the OP would probably like you to be confused. The OP's own guidance has contradictory information about the very subject that you bring up, but they attempt to clarify that the Comp Plan DOES NOT have the force of law or regulation as well. The following is a quote from Andrew Trueblood's guidance that he wrote each ANC upon receiving their COMP plan markups.

Background on Changes to the Comprehensive Plan
The Comp Plan is a high-level guiding document that sets an inclusive, long-term vision for the
physical development of the District of Columbia. The purpose of the Comp Plan is to help guide
the District’s growth and change, resulting in positive outcomes for both current and future
residents of the District.

The Comp Plan establishes a context and sets broad goals to inform public decision-making and
future fine-grained planning efforts. It informs zoning regulations and capital budgeting.
However, it does not have the force of law or regulation.

Trueblood is blowing smoke. The Comp Plan absolutely has the force of law. That’s why the DC Council and not the Zoning Board enacts it. The Com Plan is very important for a variety of reasons including to Planned Unit Developments, which can vary from zoning if the BZA determines that they are “not inconsistent with the Comprehensive Plan” - a fairly loose standard. Trueblood is acting like the CP is no big deal, as the Bowser admin is making a full court press to get the Council to approve it, even arguing that it will address the pandemic ! They are shameless and disingenuous.

And another nonsensical accusation has been leveled - did you want to provide a citation for that one?

From the mayor’s press release. Even “Baghdad Bob” wouldn’t flack nonsense like this:

“Thursday, April 23, 2020
Mayor Submits the District’s Comprehensive Plan Proposal to the Council
(WASHINGTON, DC) – Today, Mayor Muriel Bowser submitted the District’s Comprehensive Plan proposal to the Council of the District of Columbia. This update to the Comprehensive Plan will allow the District to meet long-term challenges and opportunities in critical areas such as housing, economic vibrancy, environment, and access to public resources – and to do so with a focus on equity and resilience. The Comprehensive Plan presents a suite of tools and approaches that can be immediately applied in the response to the economic, social, and public health impacts caused by the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. The Council’s timely consideration and passage of this bill is critical.“

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Currently there is no legislative proposal that incorporates "gentle density."

If you believe there is a proposal or that it is incorporated somewhere in the proposal DCOP sent to DC Council more than a month ago to update the Comp Plan please provide a citation for where it is in that legislation.

Otherwise all we have is a report with recommendations and you can repeat it all you want that it is a formal proposal but that will never make it true.

Genuine question here as a reader of this thread:

As per the Plan DC website run by the Office of Planning, the Comp Plan becomes legislation upon approval. So how are the proposals and recommendations in it right now, not considered as potential legislation if the current Comp Plan is accepted by the Council?

PP, you are confused about this because the process is confusing. In fact, the OP would probably like you to be confused. The OP's own guidance has contradictory information about the very subject that you bring up, but they attempt to clarify that the Comp Plan DOES NOT have the force of law or regulation as well. The following is a quote from Andrew Trueblood's guidance that he wrote each ANC upon receiving their COMP plan markups.

Background on Changes to the Comprehensive Plan
The Comp Plan is a high-level guiding document that sets an inclusive, long-term vision for the
physical development of the District of Columbia. The purpose of the Comp Plan is to help guide
the District’s growth and change, resulting in positive outcomes for both current and future
residents of the District.

The Comp Plan establishes a context and sets broad goals to inform public decision-making and
future fine-grained planning efforts. It informs zoning regulations and capital budgeting.
However, it does not have the force of law or regulation.

Trueblood is blowing smoke. The Comp Plan absolutely has the force of law. That’s why the DC Council and not the Zoning Board enacts it. The Com Plan is very important for a variety of reasons including to Planned Unit Developments, which can vary from zoning if the BZA determines that they are “not inconsistent with the Comprehensive Plan” - a fairly loose standard. Trueblood is acting like the CP is no big deal, as the Bowser admin is making a full court press to get the Council to approve it, even arguing that it will address the pandemic ! They are shameless and disingenuous.

And another nonsensical accusation has been leveled - did you want to provide a citation for that one?

From the mayor’s press release. Even “Baghdad Bob” wouldn’t flack nonsense like this:

“Thursday, April 23, 2020
Mayor Submits the District’s Comprehensive Plan Proposal to the Council
(WASHINGTON, DC) – Today, Mayor Muriel Bowser submitted the District’s Comprehensive Plan proposal to the Council of the District of Columbia. This update to the Comprehensive Plan will allow the District to meet long-term challenges and opportunities in critical areas such as housing, economic vibrancy, environment, and access to public resources – and to do so with a focus on equity and resilience. The Comprehensive Plan presents a suite of tools and approaches that can be immediately applied in the response to the economic, social, and public health impacts caused by the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. The Council’s timely consideration and passage of this bill is critical.“

[Anonymous]

Trueblood is blowing smoke. The Comp Plan absolutely has the force of law. That’s why the DC Council and not the Zoning Board enacts it. The Com Plan is very important for a variety of reasons including to Planned Unit Developments, which can vary from zoning if the BZA determines that they are “not inconsistent with the Comprehensive Plan” - a fairly loose standard. Trueblood is acting like the CP is no big deal, as the Bowser admin is making a full court press to get the Council to approve it, even arguing that it will address the pandemic ! They are shameless and disingenuous.

And another nonsensical accusation has been leveled - did you want to provide a citation for that one?

From the mayor’s press release. Even “Baghdad Bob” wouldn’t flack nonsense like this:

“Thursday, April 23, 2020
Mayor Submits the District’s Comprehensive Plan Proposal to the Council
(WASHINGTON, DC) – Today, Mayor Muriel Bowser submitted the District’s Comprehensive Plan proposal to the Council of the District of Columbia. This update to the Comprehensive Plan will allow the District to meet long-term challenges and opportunities in critical areas such as housing, economic vibrancy, environment, and access to public resources – and to do so with a focus on equity and resilience. The Comprehensive Plan presents a suite of tools and approaches that can be immediately applied in the response to the economic, social, and public health impacts caused by the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. The Council’s timely consideration and passage of this bill is critical.“

Popcorn...chomp...chomp...

This dude just does not get it. Every time he levels a 'just show me the evidence', somebody throws another piece of evidence onto the pile and he starts up on the name calling again. THAT IS HIS TECHNIQUE. It is hilarious. Social media flexers are true gifts to the rest of us. I am starting to feel like the Comp Plan is his life's work...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Trueblood is blowing smoke. The Comp Plan absolutely has the force of law. That’s why the DC Council and not the Zoning Board enacts it. The Com Plan is very important for a variety of reasons including to Planned Unit Developments, which can vary from zoning if the BZA determines that they are “not inconsistent with the Comprehensive Plan” - a fairly loose standard. Trueblood is acting like the CP is no big deal, as the Bowser admin is making a full court press to get the Council to approve it, even arguing that it will address the pandemic ! They are shameless and disingenuous.

And another nonsensical accusation has been leveled - did you want to provide a citation for that one?

From the mayor’s press release. Even “Baghdad Bob” wouldn’t flack nonsense like this:

“Thursday, April 23, 2020
Mayor Submits the District’s Comprehensive Plan Proposal to the Council
(WASHINGTON, DC) – Today, Mayor Muriel Bowser submitted the District’s Comprehensive Plan proposal to the Council of the District of Columbia. This update to the Comprehensive Plan will allow the District to meet long-term challenges and opportunities in critical areas such as housing, economic vibrancy, environment, and access to public resources – and to do so with a focus on equity and resilience. The Comprehensive Plan presents a suite of tools and approaches that can be immediately applied in the response to the economic, social, and public health impacts caused by the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. The Council’s timely consideration and passage of this bill is critical.“

Popcorn...chomp...chomp...

This dude just does not get it. Every time he levels a 'just show me the evidence', somebody throws another piece of evidence onto the pile and he starts up on the name calling again. THAT IS HIS TECHNIQUE. It is hilarious. Social media flexers are true gifts to the rest of us. I am starting to feel like the Comp Plan is his life's work...

Dense Density Bros, apparently.

[Anonymous]

Gentrification or "increasing density" or whatever people call it these days is basically affirmative action for rich white people.

It's basically buying homes from African-Americans, knocking them down and replacing them with million-dollar condos for rich white people.

In 20 years, DC will be mostly rich white people, and the suburbs will the place that's actually diverse, racially and economically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Currently there is no legislative proposal that incorporates "gentle density."

If you believe there is a proposal or that it is incorporated somewhere in the proposal DCOP sent to DC Council more than a month ago to update the Comp Plan please provide a citation for where it is in that legislation.

Otherwise all we have is a report with recommendations and you can repeat it all you want that it is a formal proposal but that will never make it true.

Genuine question here as a reader of this thread:

As per the Plan DC website run by the Office of Planning, the Comp Plan becomes legislation upon approval. So how are the proposals and recommendations in it right now, not considered as potential legislation if the current Comp Plan is accepted by the Council?

PP, you are confused about this because the process is confusing. In fact, the OP would probably like you to be confused. The OP's own guidance has contradictory information about the very subject that you bring up, but they attempt to clarify that the Comp Plan DOES NOT have the force of law or regulation as well. The following is a quote from Andrew Trueblood's guidance that he wrote each ANC upon receiving their COMP plan markups.

Background on Changes to the Comprehensive Plan
The Comp Plan is a high-level guiding document that sets an inclusive, long-term vision for the
physical development of the District of Columbia. The purpose of the Comp Plan is to help guide
the District’s growth and change, resulting in positive outcomes for both current and future
residents of the District.

The Comp Plan establishes a context and sets broad goals to inform public decision-making and
future fine-grained planning efforts. It informs zoning regulations and capital budgeting.
However, it does not have the force of law or regulation.

Trueblood is blowing smoke. The Comp Plan absolutely has the force of law. That’s why the DC Council and not the Zoning Board enacts it. The Com Plan is very important for a variety of reasons including to Planned Unit Developments, which can vary from zoning if the BZA determines that they are “not inconsistent with the Comprehensive Plan” - a fairly loose standard. Trueblood is acting like the CP is no big deal, as the Bowser admin is making a full court press to get the Council to approve it, even arguing that it will address the pandemic ! They are shameless and disingenuous.

And another nonsensical accusation has been leveled - did you want to provide a citation for that one?

From the mayor’s press release. Even “Baghdad Bob” wouldn’t flack nonsense like this:

“Thursday, April 23, 2020
Mayor Submits the District’s Comprehensive Plan Proposal to the Council
(WASHINGTON, DC) – Today, Mayor Muriel Bowser submitted the District’s Comprehensive Plan proposal to the Council of the District of Columbia. This update to the Comprehensive Plan will allow the District to meet long-term challenges and opportunities in critical areas such as housing, economic vibrancy, environment, and access to public resources – and to do so with a focus on equity and resilience. The Comprehensive Plan presents a suite of tools and approaches that can be immediately applied in the response to the economic, social, and public health impacts caused by the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. The Council’s timely consideration and passage of this bill is critical.“

Oh, and it says “passage of this bill.”

As in, enact this into LAW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gentrification or "increasing density" or whatever people call it these days is basically affirmative action for rich white people.

It's basically buying homes from African-Americans, knocking them down and replacing them with million-dollar condos for rich white people.

In 20 years, DC will be mostly rich white people, and the suburbs will the place that's actually diverse, racially and economically.

That's what's being proposed in Cleveland Park? How about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Currently there is no legislative proposal that incorporates "gentle density."

If you believe there is a proposal or that it is incorporated somewhere in the proposal DCOP sent to DC Council more than a month ago to update the Comp Plan please provide a citation for where it is in that legislation.

Otherwise all we have is a report with recommendations and you can repeat it all you want that it is a formal proposal but that will never make it true.

Genuine question here as a reader of this thread:

As per the Plan DC website run by the Office of Planning, the Comp Plan becomes legislation upon approval. So how are the proposals and recommendations in it right now, not considered as potential legislation if the current Comp Plan is accepted by the Council?

PP, you are confused about this because the process is confusing. In fact, the OP would probably like you to be confused. The OP's own guidance has contradictory information about the very subject that you bring up, but they attempt to clarify that the Comp Plan DOES NOT have the force of law or regulation as well. The following is a quote from Andrew Trueblood's guidance that he wrote each ANC upon receiving their COMP plan markups.

Background on Changes to the Comprehensive Plan
The Comp Plan is a high-level guiding document that sets an inclusive, long-term vision for the
physical development of the District of Columbia. The purpose of the Comp Plan is to help guide
the District’s growth and change, resulting in positive outcomes for both current and future
residents of the District.

The Comp Plan establishes a context and sets broad goals to inform public decision-making and
future fine-grained planning efforts. It informs zoning regulations and capital budgeting.
However, it does not have the force of law or regulation.

Trueblood is blowing smoke. The Comp Plan absolutely has the force of law. That’s why the DC Council and not the Zoning Board enacts it. The Com Plan is very important for a variety of reasons including to Planned Unit Developments, which can vary from zoning if the BZA determines that they are “not inconsistent with the Comprehensive Plan” - a fairly loose standard. Trueblood is acting like the CP is no big deal, as the Bowser admin is making a full court press to get the Council to approve it, even arguing that it will address the pandemic ! They are shameless and disingenuous.

And another nonsensical accusation has been leveled - did you want to provide a citation for that one?

From the mayor’s press release. Even “Baghdad Bob” wouldn’t flack nonsense like this:

“Thursday, April 23, 2020
Mayor Submits the District’s Comprehensive Plan Proposal to the Council
(WASHINGTON, DC) – Today, Mayor Muriel Bowser submitted the District’s Comprehensive Plan proposal to the Council of the District of Columbia. This update to the Comprehensive Plan will allow the District to meet long-term challenges and opportunities in critical areas such as housing, economic vibrancy, environment, and access to public resources – and to do so with a focus on equity and resilience. The Comprehensive Plan presents a suite of tools and approaches that can be immediately applied in the response to the economic, social, and public health impacts caused by the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. The Council’s timely consideration and passage of this bill is critical.“

Oh, and it says “passage of this bill.”

As in, enact this into LAW.

Density Pros/Bras took different civics classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Currently there is no legislative proposal that incorporates "gentle density."

If you believe there is a proposal or that it is incorporated somewhere in the proposal DCOP sent to DC Council more than a month ago to update the Comp Plan please provide a citation for where it is in that legislation.

Otherwise all we have is a report with recommendations and you can repeat it all you want that it is a formal proposal but that will never make it true.

Genuine question here as a reader of this thread:

As per the Plan DC website run by the Office of Planning, the Comp Plan becomes legislation upon approval. So how are the proposals and recommendations in it right now, not considered as potential legislation if the current Comp Plan is accepted by the Council?

PP, you are confused about this because the process is confusing. In fact, the OP would probably like you to be confused. The OP's own guidance has contradictory information about the very subject that you bring up, but they attempt to clarify that the Comp Plan DOES NOT have the force of law or regulation as well. The following is a quote from Andrew Trueblood's guidance that he wrote each ANC upon receiving their COMP plan markups.

Background on Changes to the Comprehensive Plan
The Comp Plan is a high-level guiding document that sets an inclusive, long-term vision for the
physical development of the District of Columbia. The purpose of the Comp Plan is to help guide
the District’s growth and change, resulting in positive outcomes for both current and future
residents of the District.

The Comp Plan establishes a context and sets broad goals to inform public decision-making and
future fine-grained planning efforts. It informs zoning regulations and capital budgeting.
However, it does not have the force of law or regulation.

Trueblood is blowing smoke. The Comp Plan absolutely has the force of law. That’s why the DC Council and not the Zoning Board enacts it. The Com Plan is very important for a variety of reasons including to Planned Unit Developments, which can vary from zoning if the BZA determines that they are “not inconsistent with the Comprehensive Plan” - a fairly loose standard. Trueblood is acting like the CP is no big deal, as the Bowser admin is making a full court press to get the Council to approve it, even arguing that it will address the pandemic ! They are shameless and disingenuous.

And another nonsensical accusation has been leveled - did you want to provide a citation for that one?

From the mayor’s press release. Even “Baghdad Bob” wouldn’t flack nonsense like this:

“Thursday, April 23, 2020
Mayor Submits the District’s Comprehensive Plan Proposal to the Council
(WASHINGTON, DC) – Today, Mayor Muriel Bowser submitted the District’s Comprehensive Plan proposal to the Council of the District of Columbia. This update to the Comprehensive Plan will allow the District to meet long-term challenges and opportunities in critical areas such as housing, economic vibrancy, environment, and access to public resources – and to do so with a focus on equity and resilience. The Comprehensive Plan presents a suite of tools and approaches that can be immediately applied in the response to the economic, social, and public health impacts caused by the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. The Council’s timely consideration and passage of this bill is critical.“

Oh, and it says “passage of this bill.”

As in, enact this into LAW.

Density Pros/Bras took different civics classes.

Yes! Schoolhouse Rock explains it well. The Mayor is proposing legislation for the Council to pass. And she wants it passed pronto, so more density in Ward 3 can save DC from Covid.

[Anonymous]

The Density Bros, thanks to the GOP operative the development community hired to message their hugely impactful agenda , has learned to obfuscate and make things sound so non-threatening. “Gentle density.” Just recommendations, not really binding. Coronavirus response.

And two years from now you wake up one morning to find the house next door being demolished for a 12 story lux-condo building.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Density Bros, thanks to the GOP operative the development community hired to message their hugely impactful agenda , has learned to obfuscate and make things sound so non-threatening. “Gentle density.” Just recommendations, not really binding. Coronavirus response.

And two years from now you wake up one morning to find the house next door being demolished for a 12 story lux-condo building.

I don't know that you can call them GOP operatives. They are lobbyists. That is what they do. I am not sure they care who is paying their bills. Did they work for a conservative before? Yes. For their next job are they going to be called liberal operatives.

But you are correct in that I am not looking forward to the Mayor's declarations as soon as this Comp Plan/recommendation/bill/proposal passes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gentrification or "increasing density" or whatever people call it these days is basically affirmative action for rich white people.

It's basically buying homes from African-Americans, knocking them down and replacing them with million-dollar condos for rich white people.

In 20 years, DC will be mostly rich white people, and the suburbs will the place that's actually diverse, racially and economically.

That's what's being proposed in Cleveland Park? How about that.

Nobody cares about Cleveland Park. Look at literally the rest of the entire city.