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I have a child in 7th grade in DCPS and considering moving to MCPS. But, I'm wondering if it's worth making the move. In other words, I've noticed in DCPS low standards / expectations, and I'm wondering if public schools in the greater DC area in general are about equally watered down bc of demographic, political, policy forces that have swept across US public education over the past 30 years. ... therefore the only real difference between schools is the socio-economic / demographic make-up of each school, which is driven basically by the housing stock / prices.
Below are my observations of my 7th grader's experience in DCPS's flagship "best" middle school. I'm wondering if I'm going to face the same thing in MCPS: little/no HW, lots of work moving online and less on paper, lack of clear grading bc of equity, etc. So in the end, any school won't provide structure, motivation/incentives (clear grading), expectations to study, and I as the parent will have to be the one to provide the expectation, assist with organization, and intervene with tutoring if needed. If that's the case, I'm thinking I may as well stay in DCPS. My 7th grade son went to an elementary school that feeds into his current middle school. For 6th grade he went to a small private school. Then 7th grade, he went to the DCPS flagship "best" middle school. Half way through his 7th grade, these are my observations: Overall, -- there is very little homework, so hard to tell how much learning is going on. And much of it is online, so as a parent, it's even harder to tell. -- The student portal -- Canvass -- is odd. For example, for ELA my son types in his work (eg, a short essay) into Canvas, hits submit, and then can't ever see it again. I asked the ELA teacher about it, and he acknowledged it. He said it is one of the downfalls of Canvas. He offered to send me a photo of his screen, where as a teacher he can see the essay on his side. -- Grading is odd. Some teachers seem to use it as a form of compliance. For example, the "Do Now" exercise, as I understand it, is one where its on the board when you enter the classroom, so once a student is settled in, s/he gets started on it, and has about 5 - 10 mins to do it. I understand it's work to practice skills / review concepts learned the previous day(s), eg, a new math skill. But, some teachers still grade the Do Now and it becomes part of your overall grade. So even if you didn't quite understand the skill / concept the day before when it was taught, and you practice it the next day through the Do Now, you still get graded. I don't understand this, I don't understand what exactly is being graded or tested. It seems more about compliance. Specifics: -- Fabulous science teacher. Decent amount of HW and labs; they are returned marked up. For the first time ever, my son comes home and shares something interesting he learned in school, willingly without me prompting. -- ELA: nice teacher. My sons is reading, writing, and learning. I haven't checked his work, so not sure level of rigor, etc. But I don't see vocabulary nor grammar exercises. I think its more reading, response, discuss the author and the story type of work. -- Social Studies: same as ELA; he's learning, but I can't tell what / how much and with what level of rigor, bc so much is online, or in classroom, and little HW. I rarely see him preparing anything. -- Spanish: I can't tell what, how much he's learning. In 6th grade at his private school, there was a textbook, workbook for homework, quizzes and tests. He created flashcards to study for the tests and memorize words. Now, I don't understand what's happening, bc there's no textbook, workbook, no flashcards, no memorization exercises. There's a little bit of HW, and it's all through Canvas. I've been told there's optional optional HW in Canvas which provides the "memorization practices." But I don't understand why it's optional? Maybe because students won't do the HW, and so if he mandates it, most of them will get low grades? -- Math: there's no HW. I don't understand how there's no HW in pre-algebra. I was told there's HW in the online software (I Ready) that's based on beginning of year assessment. But IReady HW doesn't follow along with class lessons, to then practice at home. It's just exercises based on where he placed at the beginning of the year. My son was getting low grades on assignments, but work was not being returned marked up, so we couldn't see what he was not understanding. I emailed, and then a second time CCing the Vice Principal and Principal, got a response, and now the teacher is returning his work marked up. He has all As and Bs. I've heard that there are real issues with public school just passing students along, and "grading to pass." But will moving to MCPS from DCPS provide more structure, expectations, HW, real learning, and clear grading policy so grades actually acts as an incentive? Thank you. |
| OP, you can just say Deal. People already know. |
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With regard to the issues you raise, no, I don't think MCPS will be much different.
BUT I will also say there's an incredible amount of variability school by school and that not all MCPS schools are created equal. So honestly, it depends on WHICH MCPS school you're transferring your son into and the unique makeup of the staff at that school and the posture of the administration team. It's highly frustrating, because once upon a time, there was a standard of excellence that was perceived to be true of all MCPS schools, but these days, things have gotten off track for the reasons you outlined and the disparities have become even wider. If it's comforting to you, I will say that you being engaged and vocal as a parent has a lot more impact on your child's success than the school he goes to. Excellent students come from bad or mediocre schools and bad students graduate from "good" schools all the time. Focus on your son and his needs and don't let perfect be the enemy of good. |
| But it's so much work. At the minimum, I need structure and "systems" to work with. Not fill in gaps all over the place. |
| We came from DCPS. I find MCPS overall to be a lot more even in terms of schools. Agree there are differences by school here, but not nearly as much as DCPS. For example, in DCPS PTAs can fundraise to help pay for new staff; that is absolutely not allowed in MCPS. I agree with PP that the issues you have, like not having enough HW in middle school, is still present in MCPS. We address by supplementing outside of school through RSM for math and AoPS for ELA, but I agree with you OP that it's a lot of work. If we could comfortably afford to pay for private, we would go that route, but we can't so we stick it out in MCPS and supplement. If you feel private is an option for you financially, I'd advise you to go that route. |
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MS seems to be more about social emotional learning rather than any serious academic learning, but I don't think the kids are learning much of either judging by the behavioral issues all around MSs.
I can only speak to our experience at the MS my DC just left - it sucked. Even the so-called more challenging classes were lackluster. Yea, and no HW, sorry, yes there is HW, all of 10min. My kids would finish all their HW in class. The equity BS is real. Lower the bar so the lower performing kids don't feel so bad about themselves. HS is a lot better but only because there are tons of AP classes. The "honors" classes are a joke. |
Yes, this was one of the most jarring things for me. "Honors" has lost any and all meaning in MCPS's current state. |
| It used to be night and day but nowadays not so much. MCPS decline has been very sad to watch. |
| Sounds like my kid’s “highly rated” middle school and we aren’t even in DMV. I think this is where public education is going. It’s depressing. |
It's part of the grade inflation so that certain kids don't feel left out. They did away with "on level" regular classes when the administrators looked at the class demographics and didn't like what they saw. So, now those kids are in "honors" classes so it makes everyone feel better. |
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I have a kid at TPMS and know several families at Deal. Some of the differences I’m aware of:
- at my kids school the online submission is on one system and straightforward. I understand at Deal there are multiple systems. He can see at a glance what is due and when and if I’m interested I can too. (Full disclosure: it is Canvas). Grading is for the most part transparent. - At Deal almost all work is online, I think? At TPMS the chrome books stay on a cart at least some of the time (other MCPS middle schools have a different model) - there is no security screening at TPMS - I’m guessing this is the case throughout the county but not certain. I’ve heard complaints that this is time consuming at Deal. - Spanish in middle school in MCPS is tough. It’s high school level and it’s rigorous. As far as the teachers, they are typically very experienced, but that will vary by MCPS middle school. |
| Also, in MCPS there is a gifted program. Not the case in DCPS. |
Yes, MCPS like any school system offers an education that is only as good as what you put into it. |
uh.. what? Maybe it's school/teacher/kid dependent? My kid slept through Spanish A, B, 2 and a bit in 3 - straight As. |
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I often see lots of complaints about homework in MS/HS about it being optional, which I don’t understand. Homework is meant for the student not a grade. It’s for student practice, catch-up, to be prepared to engage in class with the learning/teachers/peers, to allow students to determine if they are comfortable with the material and if not seek help/guidance.
Some will say that if it’s optional, students will just not do it. Maybe true maybe not, but that is the student/family choice. The same way folks are choosing supplemental classes and extracurriculars, they could choose to do the HW. |