Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

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I am so so sick of this 80 years of wars that have sucked in , not just Palestinians but Lebanese, Syrians, Iraqis, Kurds- especially since 1967. What a tremendous waste of human capital, human lives, money and soldiers in arms. Obscene.

For real peace in the Middle East, the USA needs to but the heck out- for good.

1967, that was when Egypt, Syria, Jordan, announced they were going to eliminate the Jew from the face of the Earth, and this is the fault of the US.

? I think you need to read up on history here. The ME wars have never been about “eliminating Jews from the face of the Earth”. That was Germany’s goal in the 1930s. The ME conflicts were land disputes. Surprise, surprise, the Palestinians did not like being kicked off their family property and other countries rose to their defense. At this point there is acceptance to revert to the 67 borders. Israel is the one standing in the way of peace and creating a man made famine / displacement of an entire population. So so sad. And immoral.

If they reverted to 67 borders, then Arabs would start fighting and demand new rollback. The goal is elimination of Israel and Jews revert to living under Muslim rule.

Someone already responded to this more ably than I could, but this claim is not well supported. Remember that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all got along very well in Palestine until Zionists began hatching plans to steal the land. When Zionists first began speaking of a "land without a people," they were making it very clear that they didn't consider Palestinians to be "a people." Palestinians were evicted the way ground squirrels are evicted from a building site to make way for a Zionist state. Of course they have the right to regain their land and eliminate Israel as a state, but not the right to eliminate Jews. I notice that you conflate the two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The humanitarian situation in Gaza is absolutely catastrophic and, according to Anthony Blinken, the worst in the world. Blinken reported that 100% of people in Gaza require humanitarian aid, compared to 80% in Sudan and 70% in Afghanistan. He said that the entire population is "at severe levels of acute food insecurity," and that this is the first time 100% of the population of a country has been classified in this way.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68605401

While people are starving, Netanyahu is blocking ceasefire talks, in part over whether the Palestinian Authority will govern Gaza after this war.

Volker Türk, the UN human rights chief, blames Israel for the mass starvation and warns it may amount to a war crime.

ENOUGH

Most Americans don't even know how obscene this has become because both CNN and NYT allow Jerusalem to whitewash their so called " reporting on the war" . The spineless execs at CNN, BBC, Fox say this is what their " advertisers demand"

READ the truth of what American supplied weapons are achieving . Of course, if you are a Cambodian, Lao or Vietnamese... you have seen our work on the people of the world before

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/20/us-uk-doctors-biden-idf-atrocities-gaza-ceasefire


Revolting rank hypocrisy and barbarism

As for the negotiations : stop the months of " talking" in 5 star hotels while millions starve to death and thousands of children are having limbs amputated without anaesthesia.

Netanyahu and his " cabinet" are monsters. Noone said, " but Adolph, please be nice and let the aid in...."

It is well past time to stop Netanhayu by force. Send in the French, the Spanish, the Irish, Norweigans, Belgians and drive teh IDF out of Gaza and West bank. Impose a cease fire under US war ship fire if necessary. Force the borders open and send in the UN to open hospitals and distribute food and medical care.


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[Anonymous]

You are quite insane if you think that is going to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are quite insane if you think that is going to happen.

This poster rants all day long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The humanitarian situation in Gaza is absolutely catastrophic and, according to Anthony Blinken, the worst in the world. Blinken reported that 100% of people in Gaza require humanitarian aid, compared to 80% in Sudan and 70% in Afghanistan. He said that the entire population is "at severe levels of acute food insecurity," and that this is the first time 100% of the population of a country has been classified in this way.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68605401

While people are starving, Netanyahu is blocking ceasefire talks, in part over whether the Palestinian Authority will govern Gaza after this war.

Volker Türk, the UN human rights chief, blames Israel for the mass starvation and warns it may amount to a war crime.

ENOUGH

Most Americans don't even know how obscene this has become because both CNN and NYT allow Jerusalem to whitewash their so called " reporting on the war" . The spineless execs at CNN, BBC, Fox say this is what their " advertisers demand"

READ the truth of what American supplied weapons are achieving . Of course, if you are a Cambodian, Lao or Vietnamese... you have seen our work on the people of the world before

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/20/us-uk-doctors-biden-idf-atrocities-gaza-ceasefire


Revolting rank hypocrisy and barbarism

As for the negotiations : stop the months of " talking" in 5 star hotels while millions starve to death and thousands of children are having limbs amputated without anaesthesia.

Netanyahu and his " cabinet" are monsters. Noone said, " but Adolph, please be nice and let the aid in...."

It is well past time to stop Netanhayu by force. Send in the French, the Spanish, the Irish, Norweigans, Belgians and drive teh IDF out of Gaza and West bank. Impose a cease fire under US war ship fire if necessary. Force the borders open and send in the UN to open hospitals and distribute food and medical care.


End THIS

Many great points, although, as a pacifist, I'm not sure about the use of force. However, with hundreds of thousands of lives at imminent risk, this is a textbook case of an emergency that needs to be stopped immediately through fair means or foul. There is enough aid in food trucks waiting at the borders of Gaza to feed the entire population for 2-3 months. It is unconscionable that Israel is holding back aid while children literally starve to death. If the U.S. and some other states were to offer the food trucks and medical staff an armed escort, I doubt that the IDF would be stupid enough to try to stop them. We're at the point where Israel's genocidal impulses need to be countermanded by the adults of the international world. If Israel won't agree to an immediate ceasefire, the rest of the world needs to override its "authority." Israel has no moral authority anymore, and its political and military authority needs to be challenged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
But why do the people who displaced them and put them in open air prisons hate them so?

I think it has to do with all the people trying to kill them. As for open air prison-
https://www.israellycool.com/2015/08/03/a-taste-of-concentration-camp-gaza-blue-beach-resort/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The US has dropped 38,000 MRE in to a population of 2.3 million starving people.

I suspect this number is wrong. That would be a 35x35x35 box, smaller than a single pallet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I am so so sick of this 80 years of wars that have sucked in , not just Palestinians but Lebanese, Syrians, Iraqis, Kurds- especially since 1967. What a tremendous waste of human capital, human lives, money and soldiers in arms. Obscene.

For real peace in the Middle East, the USA needs to but the heck out- for good.

1967, that was when Egypt, Syria, Jordan, announced they were going to eliminate the Jew from the face of the Earth, and this is the fault of the US.

? I think you need to read up on history here. The ME wars have never been about “eliminating Jews from the face of the Earth”. That was Germany’s goal in the 1930s. The ME conflicts were land disputes. Surprise, surprise, the Palestinians did not like being kicked off their family property and other countries rose to their defense. At this point there is acceptance to revert to the 67 borders. Israel is the one standing in the way of peace and creating a man made famine / displacement of an entire population. So so sad. And immoral.

If they reverted to 67 borders, then Arabs would start fighting and demand new rollback. The goal is elimination of Israel and Jews revert to living under Muslim rule.

Someone already responded to this more ably than I could, but this claim is not well supported. Remember that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all got along very well in Palestine until Zionists began hatching plans to steal the land. When Zionists first began speaking of a "land without a people," they were making it very clear that they didn't consider Palestinians to be "a people." Palestinians were evicted the way ground squirrels are evicted from a building site to make way for a Zionist state. Of course they have the right to regain their land and eliminate Israel as a state, but not the right to eliminate Jews. I notice that you conflate the two.

I don't conflate the two. I said elimination of Israel, and Jews would be under Muslim rule. Your post appears to agree with me. You are not accepting of 67 borders, and want Israel gone.

[Anonymous]

What is people's endgame here? It appears ceasefire + Israeli victory + no Hamas rule in Gaza.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The humanitarian situation in Gaza is absolutely catastrophic and, according to Anthony Blinken, the worst in the world. Blinken reported that 100% of people in Gaza require humanitarian aid, compared to 80% in Sudan and 70% in Afghanistan. He said that the entire population is "at severe levels of acute food insecurity," and that this is the first time 100% of the population of a country has been classified in this way.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68605401

While people are starving, Netanyahu is blocking ceasefire talks, in part over whether the Palestinian Authority will govern Gaza after this war.

Volker Türk, the UN human rights chief, blames Israel for the mass starvation and warns it may amount to a war crime.

ENOUGH

Most Americans don't even know how obscene this has become because both CNN and NYT allow Jerusalem to whitewash their so called " reporting on the war" . The spineless execs at CNN, BBC, Fox say this is what their " advertisers demand"

READ the truth of what American supplied weapons are achieving . Of course, if you are a Cambodian, Lao or Vietnamese... you have seen our work on the people of the world before

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/20/us-uk-doctors-biden-idf-atrocities-gaza-ceasefire


Revolting rank hypocrisy and barbarism

As for the negotiations : stop the months of " talking" in 5 star hotels while millions starve to death and thousands of children are having limbs amputated without anaesthesia.

Netanyahu and his " cabinet" are monsters. Noone said, " but Adolph, please be nice and let the aid in...."

It is well past time to stop Netanhayu by force. Send in the French, the Spanish, the Irish, Norweigans, Belgians and drive teh IDF out of Gaza and West bank. Impose a cease fire under US war ship fire if necessary. Force the borders open and send in the UN to open hospitals and distribute food and medical care.


End THIS

Many great points, although, as a pacifist, I'm not sure about the use of force. However, with hundreds of thousands of lives at imminent risk, this is a textbook case of an emergency that needs to be stopped immediately through fair means or foul. There is enough aid in food trucks waiting at the borders of Gaza to feed the entire population for 2-3 months. It is unconscionable that Israel is holding back aid while children literally starve to death. If the U.S. and some other states were to offer the food trucks and medical staff an armed escort, I doubt that the IDF would be stupid enough to try to stop them. We're at the point where Israel's genocidal impulses need to be countermanded by the adults of the international world. If Israel won't agree to an immediate ceasefire, the rest of the world needs to override its "authority." Israel has no moral authority anymore, and its political and military authority needs to be challenged.

PP, I agree with this.

Because, after all, we know IOsrael has absolutely no end game plan for how to organize aid distribution, provide medical care and housing BECAUSE their plan is to starve all of the Palestinians to death .

So why wait, in 4- 6 weeks the situation on the ground will still be Netanyahu saying he is " planning his invasion" , 250,000 more Palestinians will be dead with many more soon to die of diseases like cholera ( this is his real plan) and then the UN will be saying well, should we go in Now ???

Why wait. Do it now.

I dare the IDF to open fire on French, Spanish and Belgian soldiers escorting aid trucks in and setting up hospitals while being broadcast on all EU TV stations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is people's endgame here? It appears ceasefire + Israeli victory + no Hamas rule in Gaza.

End game? One state, Palestinians full rights of return with compensation, war crime tribunal for Israelis and full voting rights Palestinian. No more Jewish state of Israel but a democratic state of Israel with a constitution for all.

[Anonymous]

Doesn't matter what you want. Groups like Hamas are never going away. They will never stop trying to kill. Dying for the cause is what it's all about. They don't want peace the way you do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The US has dropped 38,000 MRE in to a population of 2.3 million starving people.

I suspect this number is wrong. That would be a 35x35x35 box, smaller than a single pallet.

What the f are you talking about? One MRE weight on average 18-22oz. One case has 12 meals. Each shipping pallet contains 48 cases. The net weight per case is approximately 22 lbs. and 1.02 cubic feet, while each pallet weights 1,098 lbs. and is approximately 56.1 cubic feet

About 38,000 meals airdropped into Gaza by U.S. military in humanitarian aid operation
WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. military C-130 cargo planes dropped food in pallets over Gaza on Saturday in the opening stage of an emergency humanitarian assistance authorized by President Joe Biden after more than 100 Palestinians who had surged to pull goods off an aid convoy were killed during a chaotic encounter with Israeli troops.

Three planes from Air Forces Central dropped 66 bundles containing about 38,000 meals into Gaza at 8:30 a.m. EST (3:30 p.m. local). The bundles were dropped in southwest Gaza, on the beach along the territory’s Mediterranean coast, one U.S. official said. The airdrop was coordinated with the Royal Jordanian Air Force, which has been airdropping food and took part in Saturday’s mission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't matter what you want. Groups like Hamas are never going away. They will never stop trying to kill. Dying for the cause is what it's all about. They don't want peace the way you do.

No disagree. If Israel made peace and integrated the Palestinians in to Israel as full citizens 45 years ago there would be no Hamas. Israel does not want peace only genocide. Israel can not survive without stolen land and massive aid from the US. If Israel makes peace all that stops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is people's endgame here? It appears ceasefire + Israeli victory + no Hamas rule in Gaza.

End game? One state, Palestinians full rights of return with compensation, war crime tribunal for Israelis and full voting rights Palestinian. No more Jewish state of Israel but a democratic state of Israel with a constitution for all.

that sure sounds realistic!