ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Classmates = kids in the same grade as you, NOT actual classmates from the same school

If you are talking about put same grade players in one team, then no ECNL is not interested in that and will not bend 12 months rule for it. Repeat hundreds of times already, ECNL will only "REDUCE" trapped player, it will NOT eliminate trapped players, at least in the league games. The best it ECNL can do, is to allow GY in showcase.

Aug. parents want their kids to be the oldest. ECNL is not stupid and is fully aware of it. Unfortunately ECNL will not bend for such a small fraction of players. It will be 12 12-month range and Aug. will be the youngest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Classmates = kids in the same grade as you, NOT actual classmates from the same school

If you are talking about put same grade players in one team, then no ECNL is not interested in that and will not bend 12 months rule for it. Repeat hundreds of times already, ECNL will only "REDUCE" trapped player, it will NOT eliminate trapped players, at least in the league games. The best it ECNL can do, is to allow GY in showcase.

Aug. parents want their kids to be the oldest. ECNL is not stupid and is fully aware of it. Unfortunately ECNL will not bend for such a small fraction of players. It will be 12 12-month range and Aug. will be the youngest.

This is BS. August parents want their kids playing with their grade when everyone else is and not being trapped alone. Having kids in the same grade play together is the driver of a move to a school year registration system. Why are parents of August kids wrong for wanting the move to SY registration to include their kids? Are you shunning all the other parents of kids born in other months who are advocating for school year registration for their kids?

The point remains that if you are a national league like ECNL and you are setting a national date for SY registration then you need to pick the 8/1 date to account for 99% of state school registrations. Picking 9/1 traps more kids than 8/1. And the national date selected should trap the least kids possible.

And no, younger August kids aren’t trapped with 8/1 because they can play up with their grade or play “down” with the grade below (for those parents you claim are only angling for an RAE advantage).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree. ECNL wanted to implement for 25. It was happening. Directors shared with their member clubs. Then the lazy coaches and BY crybaby coaches bombarded us soccer and ruined it all

Now you're crying because you have to wait a year. It took about the same the last time.

That’s false. Last time we basically got the announcement at the beginning of 2016 - and it went to BY in the fall of 2016. We still had one lame duck sprint season. This time it will be 3 lame duck seasons. It’s dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they actually say why 8-1 wasn’t chosen … I’d like to hear why they would bypass something that would ensure almost 99.9 SY ti SY … if they moved the date to go to SY then why not ensure it is

Will still have trapped at 9-1…so dumb

💯 Only path now is to advocate for these kids through actionable steps. My recommendation - reach out repeatedly by email to leadership of all these orgs - US Club Soccer, ECNL, USYS, AYSO - and push for a solution for the August kids. One benefit of the long transition to fall 2026 rollout is there is time for them to account for this oversight if they get feedback that there is a sizable push for it.

That was tried in 2016. Didn’t work. The ship has sailed, brother.

I hear that, but this is a different ballgame. The move to birth year divided up the grades into two groups (7 months of one grade and 5 of another). Sure it also impacted where kids fall on the older to younger range of the registration year, as happens with any 12-month range. But it didn’t strand one single month of kids in a given grade alone on an island.

How are Aug kids stranded?

They have to play with the grade above them while the rest of their grade/classmates play together. With an 8/1 cutoff like they had for SY pre-2017, these kids could play with their grade. With BY, they have 5 months of kids in their grade (August - December). Now it’s just August - one single month of kids that can’t play with their grade (unless there is a waiver for these kids to play with their actual grade with proof of enrollment)

My son is August and he is the youngest one in his class. So, how would make him play with boys above his grade?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Classmates = kids in the same grade as you, NOT actual classmates from the same school

If you are talking about put same grade players in one team, then no ECNL is not interested in that and will not bend 12 months rule for it. Repeat hundreds of times already, ECNL will only "REDUCE" trapped player, it will NOT eliminate trapped players, at least in the league games. The best it ECNL can do, is to allow GY in showcase.

Aug. parents want their kids to be the oldest. ECNL is not stupid and is fully aware of it. Unfortunately ECNL will not bend for such a small fraction of players. It will be 12 12-month range and Aug. will be the youngest.

This is BS. August parents want their kids playing with their grade when everyone else is and not being trapped alone. Having kids in the same grade play together is the driver of a move to a school year registration system. Why are parents of August kids wrong for wanting the move to SY registration to include their kids? Are you shunning all the other parents of kids born in other months who are advocating for school year registration for their kids?

The point remains that if you are a national league like ECNL and you are setting a national date for SY registration then you need to pick the 8/1 date to account for 99% of state school registrations. Picking 9/1 traps more kids than 8/1. And the national date selected should trap the least kids possible.

And no, younger August kids aren’t trapped with 8/1 because they can play up with their grade or play “down” with the grade below (for those parents you claim are only angling for an RAE advantage).

You are BS here. If you want to change, write an email to ECNL. It will be a 12-month range and 9/1 is the cut off. From the Socal league, it will be also 9/1. I do not think all those major leagues will change for such a small amount of players. And any change will cause other parents mad. So suck it up and move on.

[Anonymous]

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Remember that MLSN Tier 2 allows High School Soccer, what it’s not allowed at MLSN Tier 1.

That’s a good hint that MLSN Tier 1 could remain BY but Tier 2 go SY.

You can play high school soccer in a BY system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree. ECNL wanted to implement for 25. It was happening. Directors shared with their member clubs. Then the lazy coaches and BY crybaby coaches bombarded us soccer and ruined it all

Now you're crying because you have to wait a year. It took about the same the last time.

That’s false. Last time we basically got the announcement at the beginning of 2016 - and it went to BY in the fall of 2016. We still had one lame duck sprint season. This time it will be 3 lame duck seasons. It’s dumb.

No, it will not be lame duck seasons. Otherwise ECNL directors of each club will already get clear memo. Hopefully next week ECNL will release it. I bet they will make the current 2 trapped players for 8th grader to all age groups.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree. ECNL wanted to implement for 25. It was happening. Directors shared with their member clubs. Then the lazy coaches and BY crybaby coaches bombarded us soccer and ruined it all

Now you're crying because you have to wait a year. It took about the same the last time.

That’s false. Last time we basically got the announcement at the beginning of 2016 - and it went to BY in the fall of 2016. We still had one lame duck sprint season. This time it will be 3 lame duck seasons. It’s dumb.

Wrong, it was announced in 2015. Then, some leagues actually went early.

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Anonymous wrote:I do feel for August kids who are born in states with August cutoffs. One of the reasons I’m sure they went with Sept 1 is because I already heard parents with August kids in their correct grade level saying they would just play down to have the benefits of the oldest kids. All that would’ve done would’ve created teams missing players at practice cause of High School and then leaving teams when they graduated a year earlier forcing teams to scramble to fill positions senior year.

Easy to fix this - August kids play with their grade year. Provide proof of enrollment with birth certificate and you are done. And you actually do achieve the SY registration goal of having grade peers play together. These leagues can’t seem to think outside the box.

To be fair - no league has said anything so there could be some variation of this

I want to believe it’ll all just stay BY! Right! That makes the most sense. BY now, BY tomorrow and BY forever!

What are you talking about? I want SY. I’m just saying the leagues haven’t officially come out and said anything specific so everyone talking about August kids, etc. are jumping a little to conclusions because there might be some caveats to the 9/1 cutoff.

EDIT: They should have some carve outs for leagues that allow players to play HS. For the top ones that don't -- they shouldn't.

I agree, but also, don’t the exceptions need to apply at younger ages too? Otherwise the August kids may never even get into the sport because they can’t join a team with their classmates/friends even in Kindergarten. Or they never make the leap to competitive (if they had a rec league early on that allowed them to play with classmates as an entry point) because they are the very youngest trying out and trying to break into teams with kids a grade ahead (greater maturity). By high school how many of these August kids will even be left?

The problem with a 12-month window, there's always some in the 12th month. Right now, that's December. Next up, August.

I would argue it’s even worse for August in SY than December in BY because a move to SY puts all classmates/grade peers together except August. In BY at least the December kids aren’t the only month of kids in their grade. They have August through November in their same situation.

My daughters a December 2011 and started school early so is in 8th grade. Most girls start early where I am from.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree. ECNL wanted to implement for 25. It was happening. Directors shared with their member clubs. Then the lazy coaches and BY crybaby coaches bombarded us soccer and ruined it all

Now you're crying because you have to wait a year. It took about the same the last time.

That’s false. Last time we basically got the announcement at the beginning of 2016 - and it went to BY in the fall of 2016. We still had one lame duck sprint season. This time it will be 3 lame duck seasons. It’s dumb.

No, it will not be lame duck seasons. Otherwise ECNL directors of each club will already get clear memo. Hopefully next week ECNL will release it. I bet they will make the current 2 trapped players for 8th grader to all age groups.

I don’t think this is a good idea. I would like to see more than two…like 4 to 5 if you have them but at that point might as well go all the way. 2 is just the current rule for trapped and most don’t use it. Just switch now, ECNL was ready to do it anyway so just implement it now and have all team play up in league play.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone seen an official notice on the change besides the announcement on X?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone seen an official notice on the change besides the announcement on X?

We should get something this week
From Us club, USYS, AYSO. But a friend of mine was at the conference and it’s 9/1.

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree. ECNL wanted to implement for 25. It was happening. Directors shared with their member clubs. Then the lazy coaches and BY crybaby coaches bombarded us soccer and ruined it all

Now you're crying because you have to wait a year. It took about the same the last time.

That’s false. Last time we basically got the announcement at the beginning of 2016 - and it went to BY in the fall of 2016. We still had one lame duck sprint season. This time it will be 3 lame duck seasons. It’s dumb.

Wrong, it was announced in 2015. Then, some leagues actually went early.

This is correct.

Not sure why people just making S up when the internet still has the announcements from 2015 easily searchable…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree. ECNL wanted to implement for 25. It was happening. Directors shared with their member clubs. Then the lazy coaches and BY crybaby coaches bombarded us soccer and ruined it all

Now you're crying because you have to wait a year. It took about the same the last time.

That’s false. Last time we basically got the announcement at the beginning of 2016 - and it went to BY in the fall of 2016. We still had one lame duck sprint season. This time it will be 3 lame duck seasons. It’s dumb.

No, it will not be lame duck seasons. Otherwise ECNL directors of each club will already get clear memo. Hopefully next week ECNL will release it. I bet they will make the current 2 trapped players for 8th grader to all age groups.

I don’t think this is a good idea. I would like to see more than two…like 4 to 5 if you have them but at that point might as well go all the way. 2 is just the current rule for trapped and most don’t use it. Just switch now, ECNL was ready to do it anyway so just implement it now and have all team play up in league play.

I don’t think you understand how blindsided the clubs were this Fall and Winter.

ECNL may have been ready, but the clubs were not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree. ECNL wanted to implement for 25. It was happening. Directors shared with their member clubs. Then the lazy coaches and BY crybaby coaches bombarded us soccer and ruined it all

Now you're crying because you have to wait a year. It took about the same the last time.

That’s false. Last time we basically got the announcement at the beginning of 2016 - and it went to BY in the fall of 2016. We still had one lame duck sprint season. This time it will be 3 lame duck seasons. It’s dumb.

No, it will not be lame duck seasons. Otherwise ECNL directors of each club will already get clear memo. Hopefully next week ECNL will release it. I bet they will make the current 2 trapped players for 8th grader to all age groups.

I don’t think this is a good idea. I would like to see more than two…like 4 to 5 if you have them but at that point might as well go all the way. 2 is just the current rule for trapped and most don’t use it. Just switch now, ECNL was ready to do it anyway so just implement it now and have all team play up in league play.

I don’t think you understand how blindsided the clubs were this Fall and Winter.

ECNL may have been ready, but the clubs were not.

Move the 2 trapped players down within the club is really not a big deal. Our club shuffles 2/3 NL/RL players for each game.