FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:I think the RIO people feel a deep-seated sense of insecurity, since they could only afford to buy a house in Herndon, but their kids go to school with much wealthier people who could afford to buy near Oakton. That makes them act crazy if they sense their desperate grip on the bottom of the social climbing ladder is being loosened.

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Gosh, you all finally figured it out! We’re all insecure and that’s exactly what’s driving us to speak up on behalf of our kids.

It is mind-boggling the assumptions people make on this thread simply because they have a different perspective than constituents who have made their opinions known.

Sincerely,
A “poor” Oakton HS parent from Herndon

Fellow "poor" here. I agree that the insecurity thing is a weird take. But I also think the behavior from some parents has been pretty gross. There's a whole "Skyview isn't good enough for my kid, but it's fine for your kid" thing going on in 20171. I get that some people really love Oakton, and that some people want to go Skyview in order to avoid South Lakes and Westfield. Great. But there are all the people at Oak Hill who probably wish they could stay at Chantilly, and you don't hear them whining nearly as much. Meanwhile they have to hear about how terrible Skyview will be from their pro-Oakton neighbors. It's insensitive at best.

Ironically, there are people in the actual rich neighborhoods whose kids go to Navy and live closer to Oakton (therefore not on any Skyview maps), who wish they would have been rezoned for Skyview.

Floris and Oak Hill were the two areas that historically were “promised” a new HS decades ago when the boundaries were constantly moving around.

It would be the height of ingratitude, given that history and the years of overcrowding at Chantilly, for FCPS to upend the CIP to spend over $200 million on Skyview and then have Oak Hill families say “no thanks.”

So you're saying it's ok for Oakton parents to sh*t on Skyview while also telling Oak Hill and Floris families to shut up and be grateful for their crappy new school. Tells me what I need to know, thanks.

I’m saying that, if Floris or Oak Hill really thought Skyview was going to be “crappy,” they should have weighed in before FCPS approved the purchase. Those further east were not historically identified as the primary beneficiaries of a new school, whenever it was built or acquired.

And why would you even call Skyview “crappy”? It will be beautiful and convenient for many, regardless of whether others lobby successfully to stay at Oakton.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the RIO people feel a deep-seated sense of insecurity, since they could only afford to buy a house in Herndon, but their kids go to school with much wealthier people who could afford to buy near Oakton. That makes them act crazy if they sense their desperate grip on the bottom of the social climbing ladder is being loosened.

💯

Gosh, you all finally figured it out! We’re all insecure and that’s exactly what’s driving us to speak up on behalf of our kids.

It is mind-boggling the assumptions people make on this thread simply because they have a different perspective than constituents who have made their opinions known.

Sincerely,
A “poor” Oakton HS parent from Herndon

Fellow "poor" here. I agree that the insecurity thing is a weird take. But I also think the behavior from some parents has been pretty gross. There's a whole "Skyview isn't good enough for my kid, but it's fine for your kid" thing going on in 20171. I get that some people really love Oakton, and that some people want to go Skyview in order to avoid South Lakes and Westfield. Great. But there are all the people at Oak Hill who probably wish they could stay at Chantilly, and you don't hear them whining nearly as much. Meanwhile they have to hear about how terrible Skyview will be from their pro-Oakton neighbors. It's insensitive at best.

Ironically, there are people in the actual rich neighborhoods whose kids go to Navy and live closer to Oakton (therefore not on any Skyview maps), who wish they would have been rezoned for Skyview.

Crossfield parent here who has largely stayed out of the drama, outside of writing letters to people with my personal (pro-Skyview) opinion. It's interesting because almost everyone I've talked to about it has said they would prefer to send their kids to Skyview, but no one has stood up in a meeting and said it out loud (including me, because I am not comfortable with speaking up in meetings). This leads me to wonder how much of the pro-Oakton stuff is driven by peer pressure and is socially-motivated. It's almost like all the adults are in high school themselves!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I got a reply from Meren.

She said removing the Fox Mill ES population from South Lakes HS will decrease the already under-enrolled membership and that means the programming decreases. She also said such a reality would be unacceptable to South Lakes families.

I guess she just doesn't care about Fox Mill families.

But of course Seema does not care about the similar impact on Westfield families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the RIO people feel a deep-seated sense of insecurity, since they could only afford to buy a house in Herndon, but their kids go to school with much wealthier people who could afford to buy near Oakton. That makes them act crazy if they sense their desperate grip on the bottom of the social climbing ladder is being loosened.

💯

Gosh, you all finally figured it out! We’re all insecure and that’s exactly what’s driving us to speak up on behalf of our kids.

It is mind-boggling the assumptions people make on this thread simply because they have a different perspective than constituents who have made their opinions known.

Sincerely,
A “poor” Oakton HS parent from Herndon

Fellow "poor" here. I agree that the insecurity thing is a weird take. But I also think the behavior from some parents has been pretty gross. There's a whole "Skyview isn't good enough for my kid, but it's fine for your kid" thing going on in 20171. I get that some people really love Oakton, and that some people want to go Skyview in order to avoid South Lakes and Westfield. Great. But there are all the people at Oak Hill who probably wish they could stay at Chantilly, and you don't hear them whining nearly as much. Meanwhile they have to hear about how terrible Skyview will be from their pro-Oakton neighbors. It's insensitive at best.

Ironically, there are people in the actual rich neighborhoods whose kids go to Navy and live closer to Oakton (therefore not on any Skyview maps), who wish they would have been rezoned for Skyview.

Is this a personal ancedote or reflected anywhere? As it seemed like Navy did not want to move to Chantilly a few weeks ago.

I think the pushback had more to do with splitting Navy up in weird ways than moving from Oakton to Chantilly. I think that group that would have been moved to Chantilly would have also been moved to Rocky Run for middle school which is just strange.

I think although Chantilly is a great school, there would have been significant pushback if you moved the Navy/Oakton families there. That opinion was expressed several times at the first of the XYZ meetings.

Navy is interesting. Navy-chantilly parents are happy and Navy-oakton parents are happy with how it is now. Neither group want to change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I got a reply from Meren.

She said removing the Fox Mill ES population from South Lakes HS will decrease the already under-enrolled membership and that means the programming decreases. She also said such a reality would be unacceptable to South Lakes families.

I guess she just doesn't care about Fox Mill families.

Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

The Hunter Mill representative on the school board has always allowed their priorities to be dictate primarily by what Reston and the Town of Vienna want.

That was the case in 2008, when Stu Gibson got neighborhoods moved into South Lakes. That was the case earlier this year, when Meren went along with the Town of Vienna‘s objections to anyone in the TOV getting moved out of Madison into Marshall (and other boundary changes that left Marshall weaker). And it will be the case later this year, when Meren objects to moving Fox Mill to Skyview.

The difference is that Meren probably will get outvoted and Fox Mill will get moved anyway. All she is probably doing now is laying a foundation for a noisy dissent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the RIO people feel a deep-seated sense of insecurity, since they could only afford to buy a house in Herndon, but their kids go to school with much wealthier people who could afford to buy near Oakton. That makes them act crazy if they sense their desperate grip on the bottom of the social climbing ladder is being loosened.

💯

Gosh, you all finally figured it out! We’re all insecure and that’s exactly what’s driving us to speak up on behalf of our kids.

It is mind-boggling the assumptions people make on this thread simply because they have a different perspective than constituents who have made their opinions known.

Sincerely,
A “poor” Oakton HS parent from Herndon

Fellow "poor" here. I agree that the insecurity thing is a weird take. But I also think the behavior from some parents has been pretty gross. There's a whole "Skyview isn't good enough for my kid, but it's fine for your kid" thing going on in 20171. I get that some people really love Oakton, and that some people want to go Skyview in order to avoid South Lakes and Westfield. Great. But there are all the people at Oak Hill who probably wish they could stay at Chantilly, and you don't hear them whining nearly as much. Meanwhile they have to hear about how terrible Skyview will be from their pro-Oakton neighbors. It's insensitive at best.

Ironically, there are people in the actual rich neighborhoods whose kids go to Navy and live closer to Oakton (therefore not on any Skyview maps), who wish they would have been rezoned for Skyview.

Crossfield parent here who has largely stayed out of the drama, outside of writing letters to people with my personal (pro-Skyview) opinion. It's interesting because almost everyone I've talked to about it has said they would prefer to send their kids to Skyview, but no one has stood up in a meeting and said it out loud (including me, because I am not comfortable with speaking up in meetings). This leads me to wonder how much of the pro-Oakton stuff is driven by peer pressure and is socially-motivated. It's almost like all the adults are in high school themselves!

Yes. But how many people on here have signed up to have their name on a DCUM post? It's kind of normal to want to fly under the radar but still express your opinion. Avoids confrontation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the RIO people feel a deep-seated sense of insecurity, since they could only afford to buy a house in Herndon, but their kids go to school with much wealthier people who could afford to buy near Oakton. That makes them act crazy if they sense their desperate grip on the bottom of the social climbing ladder is being loosened.

💯

Gosh, you all finally figured it out! We’re all insecure and that’s exactly what’s driving us to speak up on behalf of our kids.

It is mind-boggling the assumptions people make on this thread simply because they have a different perspective than constituents who have made their opinions known.

Sincerely,
A “poor” Oakton HS parent from Herndon

Fellow "poor" here. I agree that the insecurity thing is a weird take. But I also think the behavior from some parents has been pretty gross. There's a whole "Skyview isn't good enough for my kid, but it's fine for your kid" thing going on in 20171. I get that some people really love Oakton, and that some people want to go Skyview in order to avoid South Lakes and Westfield. Great. But there are all the people at Oak Hill who probably wish they could stay at Chantilly, and you don't hear them whining nearly as much. Meanwhile they have to hear about how terrible Skyview will be from their pro-Oakton neighbors. It's insensitive at best.

Ironically, there are people in the actual rich neighborhoods whose kids go to Navy and live closer to Oakton (therefore not on any Skyview maps), who wish they would have been rezoned for Skyview.

Is this a personal ancedote or reflected anywhere? As it seemed like Navy did not want to move to Chantilly a few weeks ago.

I think the pushback had more to do with splitting Navy up in weird ways than moving from Oakton to Chantilly. I think that group that would have been moved to Chantilly would have also been moved to Rocky Run for middle school which is just strange.

I think although Chantilly is a great school, there would have been significant pushback if you moved the Navy/Oakton families there. That opinion was expressed several times at the first of the XYZ meetings.

Navy is interesting. Navy-chantilly parents are happy and Navy-oakton parents are happy with how it is now. Neither group want to change.

Yes, so they both would have advocated to stay where they are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the RIO people feel a deep-seated sense of insecurity, since they could only afford to buy a house in Herndon, but their kids go to school with much wealthier people who could afford to buy near Oakton. That makes them act crazy if they sense their desperate grip on the bottom of the social climbing ladder is being loosened.

💯

Gosh, you all finally figured it out! We’re all insecure and that’s exactly what’s driving us to speak up on behalf of our kids.

It is mind-boggling the assumptions people make on this thread simply because they have a different perspective than constituents who have made their opinions known.

Sincerely,
A “poor” Oakton HS parent from Herndon

Fellow "poor" here. I agree that the insecurity thing is a weird take. But I also think the behavior from some parents has been pretty gross. There's a whole "Skyview isn't good enough for my kid, but it's fine for your kid" thing going on in 20171. I get that some people really love Oakton, and that some people want to go Skyview in order to avoid South Lakes and Westfield. Great. But there are all the people at Oak Hill who probably wish they could stay at Chantilly, and you don't hear them whining nearly as much. Meanwhile they have to hear about how terrible Skyview will be from their pro-Oakton neighbors. It's insensitive at best.

Ironically, there are people in the actual rich neighborhoods whose kids go to Navy and live closer to Oakton (therefore not on any Skyview maps), who wish they would have been rezoned for Skyview.

Crossfield parent here who has largely stayed out of the drama, outside of writing letters to people with my personal (pro-Skyview) opinion. It's interesting because almost everyone I've talked to about it has said they would prefer to send their kids to Skyview, but no one has stood up in a meeting and said it out loud (including me, because I am not comfortable with speaking up in meetings). This leads me to wonder how much of the pro-Oakton stuff is driven by peer pressure and is socially-motivated. It's almost like all the adults are in high school themselves!

Yes. But how many people on here have signed up to have their name on a DCUM post? It's kind of normal to want to fly under the radar but still express your opinion. Avoids confrontation.

This leads me to wonder how many people secretly wanted to stay at Oakton but didn’t want to tell you due to your differing opinion so they agreed with you verbally but their actions did not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought I heard McDaniel say he supports children attending schools within walking distance. Under Scenario 1, Franklin/Skyview, we are within walking distance to Franklin MS. Is McDaniel in favor of making kids go to Carson MS instead of attending Franklin MS?

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Oak Hill parents on the call were BEGGING him to move kids in your neighborhood from Franklin to Carson, so you'd better organize your neighbors and get your voices heard if you don't want that to happen.

Yes. Pretty sure they were Frankllin Farm parents of kids who go to Oak Hill. People seem to think Franklin Farm is only Crossfield and Navy.

Right, Franklin Farm HOA has always been split into East and West with Fairfax County Pkwy running north/south.
East: (think Crossfield ES) Crossfield/Oakton challenges (Scenario 2 seems most popular, splits western Franklin Farm at Franklin Farm Rd.)
West: (think Oak Hill ES) Split in half vs. staying together (Scenario 1 - Keeps kids together, seems most popular, splits eastern Franklin Farm)

Western Franklin Farm has only asked to move the boundary line in Scenario 2 to avoid splitting it in half, and then East/West (seemingly) keeps most kids together.

Meaning:
1. Move the boundary from Franklin Farm Rd south. To Lees Corner Rd/Thompson Rd - West Franklin Farm goes to Carson/Skyview
2. Move the boundary north to the HOA boundary at Chantilly Highlands, West Franklin Farm goes to Franklin, MS (but this could create another split feeder)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought I heard McDaniel say he supports children attending schools within walking distance. Under Scenario 1, Franklin/Skyview, we are within walking distance to Franklin MS. Is McDaniel in favor of making kids go to Carson MS instead of attending Franklin MS?

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Oak Hill parents on the call were BEGGING him to move kids in your neighborhood from Franklin to Carson, so you'd better organize your neighbors and get your voices heard if you don't want that to happen.

Yes. Pretty sure they were Frankllin Farm parents of kids who go to Oak Hill. People seem to think Franklin Farm is only Crossfield and Navy.

Right, Franklin Farm HOA has always been split into East and West with Fairfax County Pkwy running north/south.
East: (think Crossfield ES) Crossfield/Oakton challenges (Scenario 2 seems most popular, splits western Franklin Farm at Franklin Farm Rd.)
West: (think Oak Hill ES) Split in half vs. staying together (Scenario 1 - Keeps kids together, seems most popular, splits eastern Franklin Farm)

Western Franklin Farm has only asked to move the boundary line in Scenario 2 to avoid splitting it in half, and then East/West (seemingly) keeps most kids together.

Meaning:
1. Move the boundary from Franklin Farm Rd south. To Lees Corner Rd/Thompson Rd - West Franklin Farm goes to Carson/Skyview
2. Move the boundary north to the HOA boundary at Chantilly Highlands, West Franklin Farm goes to Franklin, MS (but this could create another split feeder)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I got a reply from Meren.

She said removing the Fox Mill ES population from South Lakes HS will decrease the already under-enrolled membership and that means the programming decreases. She also said such a reality would be unacceptable to South Lakes families.

I guess she just doesn't care about Fox Mill families.

Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

The Hunter Mill representative on the school board has always allowed their priorities to be dictate primarily by what Reston and the Town of Vienna want.

That was the case in 2008, when Stu Gibson got neighborhoods moved into South Lakes. That was the case earlier this year, when Meren went along with the Town of Vienna‘s objections to anyone in the TOV getting moved out of Madison into Marshall (and other boundary changes that left Marshall weaker). And it will be the case later this year, when Meren objects to moving Fox Mill to Skyview.

The difference is that Meren probably will get outvoted and Fox Mill will get moved anyway. All she is probably doing now is laying a foundation for a noisy dissent.

We know she doesn’t care about Fox Mill, we have known that since she was elected. She ignores all the pro move posts and replies that she understands to the few posts bemoaning Fox Mill moving. She is 100% going to try and let Floris go and keep Fox Mill. I am hoping the rest of the School Board sees that Fox Mill wants to move and realizes that they need the school to hit the numbers they want at Skyview.

But I don’t trust what has been said by anyone and won’t until the boundaries are drawn. I know that Fox Mill was moved in almost every scenario that they have put out so I am hopeful, I just don’t trust the school board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got a reply from Meren.

She said removing the Fox Mill ES population from South Lakes HS will decrease the already under-enrolled membership and that means the programming decreases. She also said such a reality would be unacceptable to South Lakes families.

I guess she just doesn't care about Fox Mill families.

Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

The Hunter Mill representative on the school board has always allowed their priorities to be dictate primarily by what Reston and the Town of Vienna want.

That was the case in 2008, when Stu Gibson got neighborhoods moved into South Lakes. That was the case earlier this year, when Meren went along with the Town of Vienna‘s objections to anyone in the TOV getting moved out of Madison into Marshall (and other boundary changes that left Marshall weaker). And it will be the case later this year, when Meren objects to moving Fox Mill to Skyview.

The difference is that Meren probably will get outvoted and Fox Mill will get moved anyway. All she is probably doing now is laying a foundation for a noisy dissent.

We know she doesn’t care about Fox Mill, we have known that since she was elected. She ignores all the pro move posts and replies that she understands to the few posts bemoaning Fox Mill moving. She is 100% going to try and let Floris go and keep Fox Mill. I am hoping the rest of the School Board sees that Fox Mill wants to move and realizes that they need the school to hit the numbers they want at Skyview.

But I don’t trust what has been said by anyone and won’t until the boundaries are drawn. I know that Fox Mill was moved in almost every scenario that they have put out so I am hopeful, I just don’t trust the school board.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got a reply from Meren.

She said removing the Fox Mill ES population from South Lakes HS will decrease the already under-enrolled membership and that means the programming decreases. She also said such a reality would be unacceptable to South Lakes families.

I guess she just doesn't care about Fox Mill families.

Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

The Hunter Mill representative on the school board has allowed their priorities to be dictate primarily by what Reston and the Town of Vienna want.

That was the case in 2008, when Stu Gibson got neighborhoods moved into South Lakes. That was the case earlier this year, when Meren went along with the Town of Vienna‘s objections to anyone in the TOV getting moved out of Madison into Marshall (and other boundary changes that left Marshall weaker). And it will be the case later this year, when Meren objects to moving Fox Mill to Skyview.

The difference is that Meren probably will get outvoted and Fox Mill will get moved anyway. All she is probably doing now is laying a foundation for a noisy dissent.

As long as the Hunter Mill District boundaries are where they are, no one will ever get elected Hunter Mill Rep who won't represent Reston/TOV interests first/last/always over their 20171 "constituents".

N.B. Stu wasn't just Hunter Mill rep, he'd been SLHS PTSA President when his daughters were there.

[Anonymous]

I have a theory Crossfield as a collective wanted to go to Skyview at purchase, but the RIO faction became a thing when Michelle Reid proposed making Skyview an Aviation/AI/Robotics academy with it being close to Dulles and some data centers popping up near the school.

I would imagine RIO is mostly made up of middle class White and Northeast Asian parents who want their kids at Oakton, which may have less Hispanic, Black, and Middle Eastern Kids than Skyview.

This may not be about Athletics and Home Values, but Race, Socioeconomics, and possibly Religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a theory Crossfield as a collective wanted to go to Skyview at purchase, but the RIO faction became a thing when Michelle Reid proposed making Skyview an Aviation/AI/Robotics academy with it being close to Dulles and some data centers popping up near the school.

I would imagine RIO is mostly made up of middle class White and Northeast Asian parents who want their kids at Oakton, which may have less Hispanic, Black, and Middle Eastern Kids than Skyview.

This may not be about Athletics and Home Values, but Race, Socioeconomics, and possibly Religion.

Thank you for the baseless theory. I hope you did not spend too much time thinking about this.