Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!

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Anonymous wrote:This article from the NYT on how e-bikes have made life more dangerous for pedestrians in New York. Shouldn’t Washington DC consider similar legislation/rules for e-bikes?

“[T]he explosion of e-bikes has also soured the way some New Yorkers view the streets.
“In the last three years there’s been an enormous shift,” said Susan Simon, who moved to New York in the late 1970s. “The quality of life has gone down.”

“The streets are very dangerous,” Simon continued. “What used to be a wonderful walking city for tourists, for pedestrians, has become something of a nightmare.”

Simon used to pedal a bike herself, for fun or to go to the grocery store. But e-bikes are different, she said — faster and heavier and therefore riskier. She noted that a woman was killed last year after someone riding an electric Citi Bike hit her.

There are some efforts to tame the chaos. Janet Schroeder and Pamela Manasse, who was hit by an electric vehicle in 2022 and suffered a severe brain injury, founded the NYC E-Vehicle Safety Alliance, which promotes various regulations for e-bikes.

The alliance supports a bill that would ban e-bikes and other e-vehicles from parks and greenways. It would also like the government to require that e-bikes be registered and riders licensed.”

I am a cycling advocate. I would support such limits for eBikes that can go over a certain speed. I would not be supportive of banning them from parks and greenways. Otherwise, one couldn't ride one in Rock Creek Park, either on the road or the path, which seems misguided.

I would also be for speed limiters for cars, so they could not exceed the posted speed limits.

Rock Creek Park was not created for use by motorized vehicles and their ban in the park would be far from misguided. It would bring the use of the park back to its true purpose.

The amount of carbrain idiocy in this thread is staggering.

You know what was bigger in the 1960's and 1970's? Kids riding bikes and walking to school.

You what wasn't bigger in the 1960's and 1970's? The kids themselves - childhood obesity rates were so low it was never considered a major concern - less than 5%. Today? ONE FIFTH to ONE FOURTH.

Jesus christ.

Why?

Because our roads are ridiculously dangerous.

SUVs and massive trucks. Distracted driving because of phones or texts. Too much speed. Too many cars.

A major dependence on automobile infrastructure has provided us with...

...massive increases in obesity rates across all age groups
...a huge amount of microplastic pollution from tires
...a ridiculous amount of money being dumped into road resurfacing constantly to fix all the potholes left by the increasingly heavier cars (electric vehicles are WORSE for this)
...noise pollution (hello mr. Dodge Challenger driver, or mr. I'm late for my dentist appt but stuck in this school drop off traffic-horn lay-er on-er)
...air pollution
...a money sink for a massive chunk of the average family's income into an asset that depreciates quickly and doesn't help build wealth (which btw is disproportionately felt by lower income families)
...a defunding of public services related to mobility like buses, trams, trains, etc because "no one is using these because they all drive" (while sticking buses and trolleys in traffic and then wondering why people don't use it).

We need all of our major streets in the city to be rethought. We need all of our streets in the city to consider multiple modes of transportation that *advantage* anything but a single-occupancy motor vehicle.

The amount of energy poured into blocking this bike lane by a bunch of people who have spent their whole lives happily driving automobiles and wanting to do so to the grave while their kids and kids' kids can deal with the consequences is absolutely absurd.

Like wtf. We have speed limiters on freaking stand on scooters in DC. But every freaking day the dozens or so of speed cameras are racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in tickets (which many go unpaid because of VA and MD drivers just ignoring them) and there's not really any serious discussion about speed limiters on motor vehicles. Instead you carbrains are like - ah ITS THE EBIKES FAULT that our roads are so dangerous!!!

Oof. Imagine calling people idiots and then writing something like this and willingly posting it.

Typical anti-biker boomer response. You probably grew up riding a book to school. But now that you’re old and don’t have the energy for such physical exertion, you demand the right to the widest possible streets and an abundance of parking because what could possibly be more important than your own convenience? The inevitable consequences of further embedding car dependence - congestion, pollution, unnecessary deaths and injuries, squandering of resources and so on - are none of your concern for the likelihood of you being around here to experience what this all leads to in 10 to 20 years is slim to none. Of course, you lack the self-awareness to realize that this is what really going on but nonetheless come up a strange cognitive dissonance when anyone brings serious facts to the discussion. And so “Oof.” is about all you can muster by way of a response.

Not PP but whoever wrote this sounds like a kooky cult member. If you really want to make things safer for cyclists, diverting them to side streets would be a great idea. But safety is not your actual goal.

No, not really. A great idea is: Connecticut Avenue that is safe AND ALSO streets in the network around Connecticut Avenue that are safe. Also a simple idea, conceptually. Streets should be designed, operated, and maintained to accommodate safe and convenient access and mobility for all users of the District's transportation system, including pedestrians, bicyclists, users of mass transit, motorists, emergency responders, and persons of all ages and abilities.

And yet only the minority of cyclists is asking local government to spend everyone’s tax dollars for their convenience. Cyclists are still out there without bike lanes. It is your choice to bicycle. If you feel unsafe riding near cars DON’T ride near cars. Problem solved instead of problem created.

And for all the people who pay taxes but down own or operate cars?

NP. Bus, metro, ride share, walk.

Biking is also a good option. Streets should be designed, operated, and maintained to accommodate safe and convenient access and mobility for all users of the District's transportation system, including pedestrians, bicyclists, users of mass transit, motorists, emergency responders, and persons of all ages and abilities.

You can bike all you want just stop asking for things that are desired by few and opposed by many. Why do you feel your needs are more important than others?

The bike lanes have political support: The Mayor originally, all of the ANCs, the former councilmember and the current councilmember.
The bike lanes have broad residential support: as evidenced by the elections and the gathering of over 5,000 signatures in support since the Mayor changed her mind.

The opponents have a bunch of unvalidated signtures, mostly from Maryland Commuters, certainly far fewer in like two years of trying, than the proponents.

So just stop with the "opposed by many" because whatever the actual number of DC much less ward 3 residents oppose the bike lanes, many more support it.

Can I ask who are you posting this for and for what purpose?

I havent posted on here in a week, but there's a clear pattern of everytime a pro bike person makes a salient point, they are immediately responded to with off topic questions such as this to derail the fact they made an effective argument. I think at this point there's no point trying to convince to 2 - 3 anti bike trolls that are hovering over this page and we can call it a day. Hopefully, the Council was able to get the message through that the will of the people is for bike lanes on CT Ave and we can all move on with our lives.

Ask Jeff to lock this thread. Then we'll have a few weeks of peace, before the 2-3 anti bike trolls start a new thread.

Uh, wasn’t this thread started by a bike bro ecstatic over CM Charles Allen issuing a committee report holding spendong on Conn Ave safety improvements conditional on moving forward with Option C bike lanes?

No. But you, too, are welcome to ask Jeff to lock this thread - and then not start any more.

DC Council budget response on the subcommittee of transportation and the environment, see https://www.dccouncilbudget.com/s/DRAFT-FY25-...t-Budget-Report.pdf, page 125.

A multimodal Conn Ave is back on the plan!

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Anonymous wrote:This article from the NYT on how e-bikes have made life more dangerous for pedestrians in New York. Shouldn’t Washington DC consider similar legislation/rules for e-bikes?

“[T]he explosion of e-bikes has also soured the way some New Yorkers view the streets.
“In the last three years there’s been an enormous shift,” said Susan Simon, who moved to New York in the late 1970s. “The quality of life has gone down.”

“The streets are very dangerous,” Simon continued. “What used to be a wonderful walking city for tourists, for pedestrians, has become something of a nightmare.”

Simon used to pedal a bike herself, for fun or to go to the grocery store. But e-bikes are different, she said — faster and heavier and therefore riskier. She noted that a woman was killed last year after someone riding an electric Citi Bike hit her.

There are some efforts to tame the chaos. Janet Schroeder and Pamela Manasse, who was hit by an electric vehicle in 2022 and suffered a severe brain injury, founded the NYC E-Vehicle Safety Alliance, which promotes various regulations for e-bikes.

The alliance supports a bill that would ban e-bikes and other e-vehicles from parks and greenways. It would also like the government to require that e-bikes be registered and riders licensed.”

I am a cycling advocate. I would support such limits for eBikes that can go over a certain speed. I would not be supportive of banning them from parks and greenways. Otherwise, one couldn't ride one in Rock Creek Park, either on the road or the path, which seems misguided.

I would also be for speed limiters for cars, so they could not exceed the posted speed limits.

Rock Creek Park was not created for use by motorized vehicles and their ban in the park would be far from misguided. It would bring the use of the park back to its true purpose.

The amount of carbrain idiocy in this thread is staggering.

You know what was bigger in the 1960's and 1970's? Kids riding bikes and walking to school.

You what wasn't bigger in the 1960's and 1970's? The kids themselves - childhood obesity rates were so low it was never considered a major concern - less than 5%. Today? ONE FIFTH to ONE FOURTH.

Jesus christ.

Why?

Because our roads are ridiculously dangerous.

SUVs and massive trucks. Distracted driving because of phones or texts. Too much speed. Too many cars.

A major dependence on automobile infrastructure has provided us with...

...massive increases in obesity rates across all age groups
...a huge amount of microplastic pollution from tires
...a ridiculous amount of money being dumped into road resurfacing constantly to fix all the potholes left by the increasingly heavier cars (electric vehicles are WORSE for this)
...noise pollution (hello mr. Dodge Challenger driver, or mr. I'm late for my dentist appt but stuck in this school drop off traffic-horn lay-er on-er)
...air pollution
...a money sink for a massive chunk of the average family's income into an asset that depreciates quickly and doesn't help build wealth (which btw is disproportionately felt by lower income families)
...a defunding of public services related to mobility like buses, trams, trains, etc because "no one is using these because they all drive" (while sticking buses and trolleys in traffic and then wondering why people don't use it).

We need all of our major streets in the city to be rethought. We need all of our streets in the city to consider multiple modes of transportation that *advantage* anything but a single-occupancy motor vehicle.

The amount of energy poured into blocking this bike lane by a bunch of people who have spent their whole lives happily driving automobiles and wanting to do so to the grave while their kids and kids' kids can deal with the consequences is absolutely absurd.

Like wtf. We have speed limiters on freaking stand on scooters in DC. But every freaking day the dozens or so of speed cameras are racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in tickets (which many go unpaid because of VA and MD drivers just ignoring them) and there's not really any serious discussion about speed limiters on motor vehicles. Instead you carbrains are like - ah ITS THE EBIKES FAULT that our roads are so dangerous!!!

Oof. Imagine calling people idiots and then writing something like this and willingly posting it.

Typical anti-biker boomer response. You probably grew up riding a book to school. But now that you’re old and don’t have the energy for such physical exertion, you demand the right to the widest possible streets and an abundance of parking because what could possibly be more important than your own convenience? The inevitable consequences of further embedding car dependence - congestion, pollution, unnecessary deaths and injuries, squandering of resources and so on - are none of your concern for the likelihood of you being around here to experience what this all leads to in 10 to 20 years is slim to none. Of course, you lack the self-awareness to realize that this is what really going on but nonetheless come up a strange cognitive dissonance when anyone brings serious facts to the discussion. And so “Oof.” is about all you can muster by way of a response.

Not PP but whoever wrote this sounds like a kooky cult member. If you really want to make things safer for cyclists, diverting them to side streets would be a great idea. But safety is not your actual goal.

No, not really. A great idea is: Connecticut Avenue that is safe AND ALSO streets in the network around Connecticut Avenue that are safe. Also a simple idea, conceptually. Streets should be designed, operated, and maintained to accommodate safe and convenient access and mobility for all users of the District's transportation system, including pedestrians, bicyclists, users of mass transit, motorists, emergency responders, and persons of all ages and abilities.

And yet only the minority of cyclists is asking local government to spend everyone’s tax dollars for their convenience. Cyclists are still out there without bike lanes. It is your choice to bicycle. If you feel unsafe riding near cars DON’T ride near cars. Problem solved instead of problem created.

And for all the people who pay taxes but down own or operate cars?

NP. Bus, metro, ride share, walk.

Biking is also a good option. Streets should be designed, operated, and maintained to accommodate safe and convenient access and mobility for all users of the District's transportation system, including pedestrians, bicyclists, users of mass transit, motorists, emergency responders, and persons of all ages and abilities.

You can bike all you want just stop asking for things that are desired by few and opposed by many. Why do you feel your needs are more important than others?

The bike lanes have political support: The Mayor originally, all of the ANCs, the former councilmember and the current councilmember.
The bike lanes have broad residential support: as evidenced by the elections and the gathering of over 5,000 signatures in support since the Mayor changed her mind.

The opponents have a bunch of unvalidated signtures, mostly from Maryland Commuters, certainly far fewer in like two years of trying, than the proponents.

So just stop with the "opposed by many" because whatever the actual number of DC much less ward 3 residents oppose the bike lanes, many more support it.

Can I ask who are you posting this for and for what purpose?

I havent posted on here in a week, but there's a clear pattern of everytime a pro bike person makes a salient point, they are immediately responded to with off topic questions such as this to derail the fact they made an effective argument. I think at this point there's no point trying to convince to 2 - 3 anti bike trolls that are hovering over this page and we can call it a day. Hopefully, the Council was able to get the message through that the will of the people is for bike lanes on CT Ave and we can all move on with our lives.

I think you mixed up pro bike and anti bike. A pro bike person started the thread, and the pro bike people are the ones who jump in with what about cars every time someone makes a salient point about pedestrian safety and the fact that the pro bike are willing to sacrifice pedestrian safety for bike lanes, which won’t be safe for pedestrians without speed humps or elevated crosswalks in the bike lanes.

Yeah, their arguments have been filled with red herrings and straw men.

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Anonymous wrote:This article from the NYT on how e-bikes have made life more dangerous for pedestrians in New York. Shouldn’t Washington DC consider similar legislation/rules for e-bikes?

“[T]he explosion of e-bikes has also soured the way some New Yorkers view the streets.
“In the last three years there’s been an enormous shift,” said Susan Simon, who moved to New York in the late 1970s. “The quality of life has gone down.”

“The streets are very dangerous,” Simon continued. “What used to be a wonderful walking city for tourists, for pedestrians, has become something of a nightmare.”

Simon used to pedal a bike herself, for fun or to go to the grocery store. But e-bikes are different, she said — faster and heavier and therefore riskier. She noted that a woman was killed last year after someone riding an electric Citi Bike hit her.

There are some efforts to tame the chaos. Janet Schroeder and Pamela Manasse, who was hit by an electric vehicle in 2022 and suffered a severe brain injury, founded the NYC E-Vehicle Safety Alliance, which promotes various regulations for e-bikes.

The alliance supports a bill that would ban e-bikes and other e-vehicles from parks and greenways. It would also like the government to require that e-bikes be registered and riders licensed.”

I am a cycling advocate. I would support such limits for eBikes that can go over a certain speed. I would not be supportive of banning them from parks and greenways. Otherwise, one couldn't ride one in Rock Creek Park, either on the road or the path, which seems misguided.

I would also be for speed limiters for cars, so they could not exceed the posted speed limits.

Rock Creek Park was not created for use by motorized vehicles and their ban in the park would be far from misguided. It would bring the use of the park back to its true purpose.

The amount of carbrain idiocy in this thread is staggering.

You know what was bigger in the 1960's and 1970's? Kids riding bikes and walking to school.

You what wasn't bigger in the 1960's and 1970's? The kids themselves - childhood obesity rates were so low it was never considered a major concern - less than 5%. Today? ONE FIFTH to ONE FOURTH.

Jesus christ.

Why?

Because our roads are ridiculously dangerous.

SUVs and massive trucks. Distracted driving because of phones or texts. Too much speed. Too many cars.

A major dependence on automobile infrastructure has provided us with...

...massive increases in obesity rates across all age groups
...a huge amount of microplastic pollution from tires
...a ridiculous amount of money being dumped into road resurfacing constantly to fix all the potholes left by the increasingly heavier cars (electric vehicles are WORSE for this)
...noise pollution (hello mr. Dodge Challenger driver, or mr. I'm late for my dentist appt but stuck in this school drop off traffic-horn lay-er on-er)
...air pollution
...a money sink for a massive chunk of the average family's income into an asset that depreciates quickly and doesn't help build wealth (which btw is disproportionately felt by lower income families)
...a defunding of public services related to mobility like buses, trams, trains, etc because "no one is using these because they all drive" (while sticking buses and trolleys in traffic and then wondering why people don't use it).

We need all of our major streets in the city to be rethought. We need all of our streets in the city to consider multiple modes of transportation that *advantage* anything but a single-occupancy motor vehicle.

The amount of energy poured into blocking this bike lane by a bunch of people who have spent their whole lives happily driving automobiles and wanting to do so to the grave while their kids and kids' kids can deal with the consequences is absolutely absurd.

Like wtf. We have speed limiters on freaking stand on scooters in DC. But every freaking day the dozens or so of speed cameras are racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in tickets (which many go unpaid because of VA and MD drivers just ignoring them) and there's not really any serious discussion about speed limiters on motor vehicles. Instead you carbrains are like - ah ITS THE EBIKES FAULT that our roads are so dangerous!!!

Oof. Imagine calling people idiots and then writing something like this and willingly posting it.

Typical anti-biker boomer response. You probably grew up riding a book to school. But now that you’re old and don’t have the energy for such physical exertion, you demand the right to the widest possible streets and an abundance of parking because what could possibly be more important than your own convenience? The inevitable consequences of further embedding car dependence - congestion, pollution, unnecessary deaths and injuries, squandering of resources and so on - are none of your concern for the likelihood of you being around here to experience what this all leads to in 10 to 20 years is slim to none. Of course, you lack the self-awareness to realize that this is what really going on but nonetheless come up a strange cognitive dissonance when anyone brings serious facts to the discussion. And so “Oof.” is about all you can muster by way of a response.

Not PP but whoever wrote this sounds like a kooky cult member. If you really want to make things safer for cyclists, diverting them to side streets would be a great idea. But safety is not your actual goal.

No, not really. A great idea is: Connecticut Avenue that is safe AND ALSO streets in the network around Connecticut Avenue that are safe. Also a simple idea, conceptually. Streets should be designed, operated, and maintained to accommodate safe and convenient access and mobility for all users of the District's transportation system, including pedestrians, bicyclists, users of mass transit, motorists, emergency responders, and persons of all ages and abilities.

And yet only the minority of cyclists is asking local government to spend everyone’s tax dollars for their convenience. Cyclists are still out there without bike lanes. It is your choice to bicycle. If you feel unsafe riding near cars DON’T ride near cars. Problem solved instead of problem created.

And for all the people who pay taxes but down own or operate cars?

NP. Bus, metro, ride share, walk.

Biking is also a good option. Streets should be designed, operated, and maintained to accommodate safe and convenient access and mobility for all users of the District's transportation system, including pedestrians, bicyclists, users of mass transit, motorists, emergency responders, and persons of all ages and abilities.

You can bike all you want just stop asking for things that are desired by few and opposed by many. Why do you feel your needs are more important than others?

The bike lanes have political support: The Mayor originally, all of the ANCs, the former councilmember and the current councilmember.
The bike lanes have broad residential support: as evidenced by the elections and the gathering of over 5,000 signatures in support since the Mayor changed her mind.

The opponents have a bunch of unvalidated signtures, mostly from Maryland Commuters, certainly far fewer in like two years of trying, than the proponents.

So just stop with the "opposed by many" because whatever the actual number of DC much less ward 3 residents oppose the bike lanes, many more support it.

Can I ask who are you posting this for and for what purpose?

I am posting it for myself.

I am posting it to counter the argument that there is somehow universal opposition to the bike lane proposal.

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At a press conference Tuesday, DC Council Chair Phil Mendelson said he removed the resolution from CM Charles Allen's Transportation Committee to stop safety measures on Connecticut Ave unless they include protected Bike lanes. Asked by the Wash Post reporter , Mendelson said the Council does not vote on bike plans in the budget and never has.

See the press conference at one hour 10 minutes

https://x.com/chmnmendelson/status/1795485600604401847?s=42 [x.com]

It's over. Bike lanes on Connecticut are dead.

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As a Connecticut Avenue commuter for almost 30 years (yes, I live in NW DC, not MD), I for one can't wait to sit in traffic in Van Ness on my way home from work next to two empty bike lanes. And it'll be even better when we're down to one lane of traffic because the same bozos that park illegally during rush hour now to pick up their dry cleaning or run into CVS are pushed out another lane by the empty bike lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:At a press conference Tuesday, DC Council Chair Phil Mendelson said he removed the resolution from CM Charles Allen's Transportation Committee to stop safety measures on Connecticut Ave unless they include protected Bike lanes. Asked by the Wash Post reporter , Mendelson said the Council does not vote on bike plans in the budget and never has.

See the press conference at one hour 10 minutes

https://x.com/chmnmendelson/status/1795485600604401847?s=42 [x.com]

It's over. Bike lanes on Connecticut are dead.

Time to lock the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for making NW a worse place by insisting on driving everywhere. Barring a medical condition, it’s a stupid decision.

Well, when you put it that way, of course you're right. I'll just go ahead and forego the additional 30 minutes in the morning and at night with my family that commuting by car affords. Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for making NW a worse place by insisting on driving everywhere. Barring a medical condition, it’s a stupid decision.

Well, when you put it that way, of course you're right. I'll just go ahead and forego the additional 30 minutes in the morning and at night with my family that commuting by car affords. Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.

How many years are you shaving off your life?

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Have fun being Wall•E fatties living your miserable lives while also not giving AF about the environment. It must be insane to insist in being so miserable your whole lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Have fun being Wall•E fatties living your miserable lives while also not giving AF about the environment. It must be insane to insist in being so miserable your whole lives.

To he honest, you sound pretty miserable yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:This article from the NYT on how e-bikes have made life more dangerous for pedestrians in New York. Shouldn’t Washington DC consider similar legislation/rules for e-bikes?

“[T]he explosion of e-bikes has also soured the way some New Yorkers view the streets.
“In the last three years there’s been an enormous shift,” said Susan Simon, who moved to New York in the late 1970s. “The quality of life has gone down.”

“The streets are very dangerous,” Simon continued. “What used to be a wonderful walking city for tourists, for pedestrians, has become something of a nightmare.”

Simon used to pedal a bike herself, for fun or to go to the grocery store. But e-bikes are different, she said — faster and heavier and therefore riskier. She noted that a woman was killed last year after someone riding an electric Citi Bike hit her.

There are some efforts to tame the chaos. Janet Schroeder and Pamela Manasse, who was hit by an electric vehicle in 2022 and suffered a severe brain injury, founded the NYC E-Vehicle Safety Alliance, which promotes various regulations for e-bikes.

The alliance supports a bill that would ban e-bikes and other e-vehicles from parks and greenways. It would also like the government to require that e-bikes be registered and riders licensed.”

I am a cycling advocate. I would support such limits for eBikes that can go over a certain speed. I would not be supportive of banning them from parks and greenways. Otherwise, one couldn't ride one in Rock Creek Park, either on the road or the path, which seems misguided.

I would also be for speed limiters for cars, so they could not exceed the posted speed limits.

Rock Creek Park was not created for use by motorized vehicles and their ban in the park would be far from misguided. It would bring the use of the park back to its true purpose.

The amount of carbrain idiocy in this thread is staggering.

You know what was bigger in the 1960's and 1970's? Kids riding bikes and walking to school.

You what wasn't bigger in the 1960's and 1970's? The kids themselves - childhood obesity rates were so low it was never considered a major concern - less than 5%. Today? ONE FIFTH to ONE FOURTH.

Jesus christ.

Why?

Because our roads are ridiculously dangerous.

SUVs and massive trucks. Distracted driving because of phones or texts. Too much speed. Too many cars.

A major dependence on automobile infrastructure has provided us with...

...massive increases in obesity rates across all age groups
...a huge amount of microplastic pollution from tires
...a ridiculous amount of money being dumped into road resurfacing constantly to fix all the potholes left by the increasingly heavier cars (electric vehicles are WORSE for this)
...noise pollution (hello mr. Dodge Challenger driver, or mr. I'm late for my dentist appt but stuck in this school drop off traffic-horn lay-er on-er)
...air pollution
...a money sink for a massive chunk of the average family's income into an asset that depreciates quickly and doesn't help build wealth (which btw is disproportionately felt by lower income families)
...a defunding of public services related to mobility like buses, trams, trains, etc because "no one is using these because they all drive" (while sticking buses and trolleys in traffic and then wondering why people don't use it).

We need all of our major streets in the city to be rethought. We need all of our streets in the city to consider multiple modes of transportation that *advantage* anything but a single-occupancy motor vehicle.

The amount of energy poured into blocking this bike lane by a bunch of people who have spent their whole lives happily driving automobiles and wanting to do so to the grave while their kids and kids' kids can deal with the consequences is absolutely absurd.

Like wtf. We have speed limiters on freaking stand on scooters in DC. But every freaking day the dozens or so of speed cameras are racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in tickets (which many go unpaid because of VA and MD drivers just ignoring them) and there's not really any serious discussion about speed limiters on motor vehicles. Instead you carbrains are like - ah ITS THE EBIKES FAULT that our roads are so dangerous!!!

Oof. Imagine calling people idiots and then writing something like this and willingly posting it.

Typical anti-biker boomer response. You probably grew up riding a book to school. But now that you’re old and don’t have the energy for such physical exertion, you demand the right to the widest possible streets and an abundance of parking because what could possibly be more important than your own convenience? The inevitable consequences of further embedding car dependence - congestion, pollution, unnecessary deaths and injuries, squandering of resources and so on - are none of your concern for the likelihood of you being around here to experience what this all leads to in 10 to 20 years is slim to none. Of course, you lack the self-awareness to realize that this is what really going on but nonetheless come up a strange cognitive dissonance when anyone brings serious facts to the discussion. And so “Oof.” is about all you can muster by way of a response.

Not PP but whoever wrote this sounds like a kooky cult member. If you really want to make things safer for cyclists, diverting them to side streets would be a great idea. But safety is not your actual goal.

No, not really. A great idea is: Connecticut Avenue that is safe AND ALSO streets in the network around Connecticut Avenue that are safe. Also a simple idea, conceptually. Streets should be designed, operated, and maintained to accommodate safe and convenient access and mobility for all users of the District's transportation system, including pedestrians, bicyclists, users of mass transit, motorists, emergency responders, and persons of all ages and abilities.

And yet only the minority of cyclists is asking local government to spend everyone’s tax dollars for their convenience. Cyclists are still out there without bike lanes. It is your choice to bicycle. If you feel unsafe riding near cars DON’T ride near cars. Problem solved instead of problem created.

And for all the people who pay taxes but down own or operate cars?

NP. Bus, metro, ride share, walk.

Biking is also a good option. Streets should be designed, operated, and maintained to accommodate safe and convenient access and mobility for all users of the District's transportation system, including pedestrians, bicyclists, users of mass transit, motorists, emergency responders, and persons of all ages and abilities.

You can bike all you want just stop asking for things that are desired by few and opposed by many. Why do you feel your needs are more important than others?

The bike lanes have political support: The Mayor originally, all of the ANCs, the former councilmember and the current councilmember.
The bike lanes have broad residential support: as evidenced by the elections and the gathering of over 5,000 signatures in support since the Mayor changed her mind.

The opponents have a bunch of unvalidated signtures, mostly from Maryland Commuters, certainly far fewer in like two years of trying, than the proponents.

So just stop with the "opposed by many" because whatever the actual number of DC much less ward 3 residents oppose the bike lanes, many more support it.

Can I ask who are you posting this for and for what purpose?

I am posting it for myself.

I am posting it to counter the argument that there is somehow universal opposition to the bike lane proposal.

Ironically, the most effective thing you could have done was to ride up and down Connecticut all day every day.

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All the bitter bike bros coming out in full force now that their beloved bike lane is eliminated again. Showing their true colors and they are not good ones.

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Anonymous wrote:All the bitter bike bros coming out in full force now that their beloved bike lane is eliminated again. Showing their true colors and they are not good ones.

One person was rude but I get the frustration. Onto the next set of elections and advocacy, bc the status quo is pretty awful for all parties involved

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Anonymous wrote:This article from the NYT on how e-bikes have made life more dangerous for pedestrians in New York. Shouldn’t Washington DC consider similar legislation/rules for e-bikes?

“[T]he explosion of e-bikes has also soured the way some New Yorkers view the streets.
“In the last three years there’s been an enormous shift,” said Susan Simon, who moved to New York in the late 1970s. “The quality of life has gone down.”

“The streets are very dangerous,” Simon continued. “What used to be a wonderful walking city for tourists, for pedestrians, has become something of a nightmare.”

Simon used to pedal a bike herself, for fun or to go to the grocery store. But e-bikes are different, she said — faster and heavier and therefore riskier. She noted that a woman was killed last year after someone riding an electric Citi Bike hit her.

There are some efforts to tame the chaos. Janet Schroeder and Pamela Manasse, who was hit by an electric vehicle in 2022 and suffered a severe brain injury, founded the NYC E-Vehicle Safety Alliance, which promotes various regulations for e-bikes.

The alliance supports a bill that would ban e-bikes and other e-vehicles from parks and greenways. It would also like the government to require that e-bikes be registered and riders licensed.”

I am a cycling advocate. I would support such limits for eBikes that can go over a certain speed. I would not be supportive of banning them from parks and greenways. Otherwise, one couldn't ride one in Rock Creek Park, either on the road or the path, which seems misguided.

I would also be for speed limiters for cars, so they could not exceed the posted speed limits.

Rock Creek Park was not created for use by motorized vehicles and their ban in the park would be far from misguided. It would bring the use of the park back to its true purpose.

The amount of carbrain idiocy in this thread is staggering.

You know what was bigger in the 1960's and 1970's? Kids riding bikes and walking to school.

You what wasn't bigger in the 1960's and 1970's? The kids themselves - childhood obesity rates were so low it was never considered a major concern - less than 5%. Today? ONE FIFTH to ONE FOURTH.

Jesus christ.

Why?

Because our roads are ridiculously dangerous.

SUVs and massive trucks. Distracted driving because of phones or texts. Too much speed. Too many cars.

A major dependence on automobile infrastructure has provided us with...

...massive increases in obesity rates across all age groups
...a huge amount of microplastic pollution from tires
...a ridiculous amount of money being dumped into road resurfacing constantly to fix all the potholes left by the increasingly heavier cars (electric vehicles are WORSE for this)
...noise pollution (hello mr. Dodge Challenger driver, or mr. I'm late for my dentist appt but stuck in this school drop off traffic-horn lay-er on-er)
...air pollution
...a money sink for a massive chunk of the average family's income into an asset that depreciates quickly and doesn't help build wealth (which btw is disproportionately felt by lower income families)
...a defunding of public services related to mobility like buses, trams, trains, etc because "no one is using these because they all drive" (while sticking buses and trolleys in traffic and then wondering why people don't use it).

We need all of our major streets in the city to be rethought. We need all of our streets in the city to consider multiple modes of transportation that *advantage* anything but a single-occupancy motor vehicle.

The amount of energy poured into blocking this bike lane by a bunch of people who have spent their whole lives happily driving automobiles and wanting to do so to the grave while their kids and kids' kids can deal with the consequences is absolutely absurd.

Like wtf. We have speed limiters on freaking stand on scooters in DC. But every freaking day the dozens or so of speed cameras are racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in tickets (which many go unpaid because of VA and MD drivers just ignoring them) and there's not really any serious discussion about speed limiters on motor vehicles. Instead you carbrains are like - ah ITS THE EBIKES FAULT that our roads are so dangerous!!!

Oof. Imagine calling people idiots and then writing something like this and willingly posting it.

Typical anti-biker boomer response. You probably grew up riding a book to school. But now that you’re old and don’t have the energy for such physical exertion, you demand the right to the widest possible streets and an abundance of parking because what could possibly be more important than your own convenience? The inevitable consequences of further embedding car dependence - congestion, pollution, unnecessary deaths and injuries, squandering of resources and so on - are none of your concern for the likelihood of you being around here to experience what this all leads to in 10 to 20 years is slim to none. Of course, you lack the self-awareness to realize that this is what really going on but nonetheless come up a strange cognitive dissonance when anyone brings serious facts to the discussion. And so “Oof.” is about all you can muster by way of a response.

Not PP but whoever wrote this sounds like a kooky cult member. If you really want to make things safer for cyclists, diverting them to side streets would be a great idea. But safety is not your actual goal.

No, not really. A great idea is: Connecticut Avenue that is safe AND ALSO streets in the network around Connecticut Avenue that are safe. Also a simple idea, conceptually. Streets should be designed, operated, and maintained to accommodate safe and convenient access and mobility for all users of the District's transportation system, including pedestrians, bicyclists, users of mass transit, motorists, emergency responders, and persons of all ages and abilities.

And yet only the minority of cyclists is asking local government to spend everyone’s tax dollars for their convenience. Cyclists are still out there without bike lanes. It is your choice to bicycle. If you feel unsafe riding near cars DON’T ride near cars. Problem solved instead of problem created.

And for all the people who pay taxes but down own or operate cars?

NP. Bus, metro, ride share, walk.

Biking is also a good option. Streets should be designed, operated, and maintained to accommodate safe and convenient access and mobility for all users of the District's transportation system, including pedestrians, bicyclists, users of mass transit, motorists, emergency responders, and persons of all ages and abilities.

You can bike all you want just stop asking for things that are desired by few and opposed by many. Why do you feel your needs are more important than others?

The bike lanes have political support: The Mayor originally, all of the ANCs, the former councilmember and the current councilmember.
The bike lanes have broad residential support: as evidenced by the elections and the gathering of over 5,000 signatures in support since the Mayor changed her mind.

The opponents have a bunch of unvalidated signtures, mostly from Maryland Commuters, certainly far fewer in like two years of trying, than the proponents.

So just stop with the "opposed by many" because whatever the actual number of DC much less ward 3 residents oppose the bike lanes, many more support it.

Can I ask who are you posting this for and for what purpose?

I havent posted on here in a week, but there's a clear pattern of everytime a pro bike person makes a salient point, they are immediately responded to with off topic questions such as this to derail the fact they made an effective argument. I think at this point there's no point trying to convince to 2 - 3 anti bike trolls that are hovering over this page and we can call it a day. Hopefully, the Council was able to get the message through that the will of the people is for bike lanes on CT Ave and we can all move on with our lives.

Ask Jeff to lock this thread. Then we'll have a few weeks of peace, before the 2-3 anti bike trolls start a new thread.

Uh, wasn’t this thread started by a bike bro ecstatic over CM Charles Allen issuing a committee report holding spendong on Conn Ave safety improvements conditional on moving forward with Option C bike lanes?

No. But you, too, are welcome to ask Jeff to lock this thread - and then not start any more.

DC Council budget response on the subcommittee of transportation and the environment, see https://www.dccouncilbudget.com/s/DRAFT-FY25-...t-Budget-Report.pdf, page 125.

A multimodal Conn Ave is back on the plan!

Page you're linking to has been moved or deleted.

LOL. Even trying to delete the evidence.

The idea of blocking pedestrian safety improvements because bike lanes has got to be the stupidest idea I’ve heard in a long time, so it makes a lot of sense that it came from Charles Allen.

Imagine being in government and making yourself personally responsible for every accident and especially if any kid gets injured. All because you think you're LARPing Frank Underwood to carry water and exact revenge for a couple dozen spiteful cyclists?

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Anonymous wrote:All the bitter bike bros coming out in full force now that their beloved bike lane is eliminated again. Showing their true colors and they are not good ones.

One person was rude but I get the frustration. Onto the next set of elections and advocacy, bc the status quo is pretty awful for all parties involved

I really do beg you to primary Bowser making the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes the only issue.