The Blind Side scandal

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Anonymous wrote:Total money grab. Way to throw the family under the bus. She sad.

Everyone be aware, the Tuohys have a pr machine and assume this is one or two posters who keep posting the same thing. Ask them if they're paid.

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Instead he accepted the help that was offered. Do you have any evidence that he regrets that decision?

Something isn’t help when it’s in engaged for something of value. The Touhys helped him because they wanted (1) to put the story in their friend’s book that was published less than 2 years after the “adoption” and (2) find a desirable recruit for their alma mater. Do you “help” your employer by accepting a salary for working?

NP. None of this matters. You’re discussing feelings. This is about the legal issues. People can help, and except help, for whatever reasons they want.

Accept.

And considering one of his claims is that they did not appropriately compensate him for the money they made off of his story you can’t say that accepting help somehow precludes him from seeking an accounting of what they made, how, and why.

It's their story, not just his story.

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Anonymous wrote:Just read an article where Leigh Anne mentions Michael is very frugal and you can tell from his instagram that he’s not a flashy guy. His clothes don’t even look overly luxurious. I have no reason to believe he is doing this because he ran out of money. I truly believe after getting married he wanted to tie up some legal ends and all of this information (or lack of) came to his attention. He has every to ask for his financial documents from his conservators. The Tuohys neglected to provide them to the court for almost 20 years.

I suspect it all stemmed from a core emotional issue--coming to realize he wasn't really a part of the family, which then led to suspicion about finances etc. I feel for him. The Tuohys could have been transparent. Why weren't they? No excuse for them to fail to provide the annual accounting required by law.

This is the million dollar question!

Why didn't Oher ask the court to end the conservatorship years ago? He was in the NFL. He's worked with lawyers before. Why did he wait so long? He knew in 2011.

I am one degree of separation from this family. The answer is: they told him that "conservatorship" is how older kids/teens get adopted. They said, over and over in both his presence and in the press, that they had adopted him by setting up the conservatorship. Tuohy parents knew all along that this was absolutely not the case- that conservatorship meant control over, for the purposes of getting certain outcomes that they wanted, like his agreeing to go to Ole Miss. (I am quite sure that they never had a thought about controlling or getting his football money- they are the furthest thing from needing more money.)

Certain things happened in the past 3-5 years that made him more aware that he was not thought of as "a part of the family" in any sense other than superficially and for image. Now he is seeking to get all the details of the past agreements and actions revealed and explained. I say it is about time. But it took this long for him to really see behind the fake stories.

Uh huh. It was asking for money. Which they did not give him. So he began his campaign of blackmail.

No. Absolutely not. Trust me - all parties involved are beyond comfortable and are set for life financially. This is about getting to the truth and seeking a reckoning for possible past deception and harms.

Oher must be out of money until he turns 55. No way he does this if he is beyond comfotable.

So you misunderstand both human nature and money.

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Anonymous wrote:Total money grab. Way to throw the family under the bus. She sad.

Everyone be aware, the Tuohys have a pr machine and assume this is one or two posters who keep posting the same thing. Ask them if they're paid.

Def weird how the same few spin-ny points are repeated ad nauseam.

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Anonymous wrote:Total money grab. Way to throw the family under the bus. She sad.

Everyone be aware, the Tuohys have a pr machine and assume this is one or two posters who keep posting the same thing. Ask them if they're paid.

Def weird how the same few spin-ny points are repeated ad nauseam.

Yep. This was my thought as well. These couple of posters are here to push their viewpoint for a reason and repeat points ad nauseum as pp indicated.

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Anonymous wrote:Total money grab. Way to throw the family under the bus. She sad.

Everyone be aware, the Tuohys have a pr machine and assume this is one or two posters who keep posting the same thing. Ask them if they're paid.

Def weird how the same few spin-ny points are repeated ad nauseam.

Yep. This was my thought as well. These couple of posters are here to push their viewpoint for a reason and repeat points ad nauseum as pp indicated.

DP. And they keep saying the Touhys paid for his education which is untrue.

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Instead he accepted the help that was offered. Do you have any evidence that he regrets that decision?

Something isn’t help when it’s in engaged for something of value. The Touhys helped him because they wanted (1) to put the story in their friend’s book that was published less than 2 years after the “adoption” and (2) find a desirable recruit for their alma mater. Do you “help” your employer by accepting a salary for working?

NP. None of this matters. You’re discussing feelings. This is about the legal issues. People can help, and except help, for whatever reasons they want.

Accept.

And considering one of his claims is that they did not appropriately compensate him for the money they made off of his story you can’t say that accepting help somehow precludes him from seeking an accounting of what they made, how, and why.

Except... he's not entitled to that. Not an accounting, not any money. Anything they've done in terms of speaking tours etc. is theirs and theirs alone. Access to this information will not be granted in discovery. He will never be compensated for it. It's a complete fool's errand.

What are you talking about? Conservators absolutely have to account for any money they receive and maintain and in most places (I don’t know about their particular state) have annual reporting requirements. They have not done that.

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Instead he accepted the help that was offered. Do you have any evidence that he regrets that decision?

Something isn’t help when it’s in engaged for something of value. The Touhys helped him because they wanted (1) to put the story in their friend’s book that was published less than 2 years after the “adoption” and (2) find a desirable recruit for their alma mater. Do you “help” your employer by accepting a salary for working?

NP. None of this matters. You’re discussing feelings. This is about the legal issues. People can help, and except help, for whatever reasons they want.

Accept.

And considering one of his claims is that they did not appropriately compensate him for the money they made off of his story you can’t say that accepting help somehow precludes him from seeking an accounting of what they made, how, and why.

Except... he's not entitled to that. Not an accounting, not any money. Anything they've done in terms of speaking tours etc. is theirs and theirs alone. Access to this information will not be granted in discovery. He will never be compensated for it. It's a complete fool's errand.

What are you talking about? Conservators absolutely have to account for any money they receive and maintain and in most places (I don’t know about their particular state) have annual reporting requirements. They have not done that.

How do you know they have received and maintained any money on his behalf? In what capacity would they have been doing that over all these years? There's no social security, benefits, salary, assets, etc. What activity has there been in the past decade that would require an accounting? Not the speakership fees, because the Tuohys are allowed to talk about their own life. Anything else? Seems like Michaels wants to make sure the movie proceeds were on the up and up, which seems fair, but beyond that what else is missing?

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Anonymous wrote:Total money grab. Way to throw the family under the bus. She sad.

Everyone be aware, the Tuohys have a pr machine and assume this is one or two posters who keep posting the same thing. Ask them if they're paid.

They do have PR people. But they are not posting here. In the court of public opinion DCUM is not a thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Instead he accepted the help that was offered. Do you have any evidence that he regrets that decision?

Something isn’t help when it’s in engaged for something of value. The Touhys helped him because they wanted (1) to put the story in their friend’s book that was published less than 2 years after the “adoption” and (2) find a desirable recruit for their alma mater. Do you “help” your employer by accepting a salary for working?

NP. None of this matters. You’re discussing feelings. This is about the legal issues. People can help, and except help, for whatever reasons they want.

Accept.

And considering one of his claims is that they did not appropriately compensate him for the money they made off of his story you can’t say that accepting help somehow precludes him from seeking an accounting of what they made, how, and why.

Except... he's not entitled to that. Not an accounting, not any money. Anything they've done in terms of speaking tours etc. is theirs and theirs alone. Access to this information will not be granted in discovery. He will never be compensated for it. It's a complete fool's errand.

What are you talking about? Conservators absolutely have to account for any money they receive and maintain and in most places (I don’t know about their particular state) have annual reporting requirements. They have not done that.

No money came in. There was nothing to account for. Now should they have filed reports with $0? Of course. But the conservatorship was never used except with the NCAA.

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Anonymous wrote:Total money grab. Way to throw the family under the bus. She sad.

Everyone be aware, the Tuohys have a pr machine and assume this is one or two posters who keep posting the same thing. Ask them if they're paid.

Def weird how the same few spin-ny points are repeated ad nauseam.

Yep. This was my thought as well. These couple of posters are here to push their viewpoint for a reason and repeat points ad nauseum as pp indicated.

DP. And they keep saying the Touhys paid for his education which is untrue.

Ummmm -- they did

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Instead he accepted the help that was offered. Do you have any evidence that he regrets that decision?

Something isn’t help when it’s in engaged for something of value. The Touhys helped him because they wanted (1) to put the story in their friend’s book that was published less than 2 years after the “adoption” and (2) find a desirable recruit for their alma mater. Do you “help” your employer by accepting a salary for working?

NP. None of this matters. You’re discussing feelings. This is about the legal issues. People can help, and except help, for whatever reasons they want.

Accept.

And considering one of his claims is that they did not appropriately compensate him for the money they made off of his story you can’t say that accepting help somehow precludes him from seeking an accounting of what they made, how, and why.

Except... he's not entitled to that. Not an accounting, not any money. Anything they've done in terms of speaking tours etc. is theirs and theirs alone. Access to this information will not be granted in discovery. He will never be compensated for it. It's a complete fool's errand.

What are you talking about? Conservators absolutely have to account for any money they receive and maintain and in most places (I don’t know about their particular state) have annual reporting requirements. They have not done that.

No money came in. There was nothing to account for. Now should they have filed reports with $0? Of course. But the conservatorship was never used except with the NCAA.

And you know this, how?

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Instead he accepted the help that was offered. Do you have any evidence that he regrets that decision?

Something isn’t help when it’s in engaged for something of value. The Touhys helped him because they wanted (1) to put the story in their friend’s book that was published less than 2 years after the “adoption” and (2) find a desirable recruit for their alma mater. Do you “help” your employer by accepting a salary for working?

NP. None of this matters. You’re discussing feelings. This is about the legal issues. People can help, and except help, for whatever reasons they want.

Accept.

And considering one of his claims is that they did not appropriately compensate him for the money they made off of his story you can’t say that accepting help somehow precludes him from seeking an accounting of what they made, how, and why.

Except... he's not entitled to that. Not an accounting, not any money. Anything they've done in terms of speaking tours etc. is theirs and theirs alone. Access to this information will not be granted in discovery. He will never be compensated for it. It's a complete fool's errand.

What are you talking about? Conservators absolutely have to account for any money they receive and maintain and in most places (I don’t know about their particular state) have annual reporting requirements. They have not done that.

No money came in. There was nothing to account for. Now should they have filed reports with $0? Of course. But the conservatorship was never used except with the NCAA.

And you know this, how?

Why don't you tell us what type of money you think they've been squirreling away hiding from and what business they have been negotiating on his behalf? He's been on his own for quite some time, negotiating NFL contracts, buying homes, cars, writing books, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Total money grab. Way to throw the family under the bus. She sad.

Everyone be aware, the Tuohys have a pr machine and assume this is one or two posters who keep posting the same thing. Ask them if they're paid.

Def weird how the same few spin-ny points are repeated ad nauseam.

Yep. This was my thought as well. These couple of posters are here to push their viewpoint for a reason and repeat points ad nauseum as pp indicated.

DP. And they keep saying the Touhys paid for his education which is untrue.

No. I said he got a free education.

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Instead he accepted the help that was offered. Do you have any evidence that he regrets that decision?

Something isn’t help when it’s in engaged for something of value. The Touhys helped him because they wanted (1) to put the story in their friend’s book that was published less than 2 years after the “adoption” and (2) find a desirable recruit for their alma mater. Do you “help” your employer by accepting a salary for working?

NP. None of this matters. You’re discussing feelings. This is about the legal issues. People can help, and except help, for whatever reasons they want.

Accept.

And considering one of his claims is that they did not appropriately compensate him for the money they made off of his story you can’t say that accepting help somehow precludes him from seeking an accounting of what they made, how, and why.

Except... he's not entitled to that. Not an accounting, not any money. Anything they've done in terms of speaking tours etc. is theirs and theirs alone. Access to this information will not be granted in discovery. He will never be compensated for it. It's a complete fool's errand.

What are you talking about? Conservators absolutely have to account for any money they receive and maintain and in most places (I don’t know about their particular state) have annual reporting requirements. They have not done that.

No money came in. There was nothing to account for. Now should they have filed reports with $0? Of course. But the conservatorship was never used except with the NCAA.

Nobody knows this. Maybe it is true. If so, providing an accounting should be very easy for them.

People keep calling this a money grab by Oher.

This is a petition to end the conservatorship. Only a court can end this conservatorship, it could not be done as a private matter between the two parties. Part of ending the conservatorship is an accounting of what occurred during it.