Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

Why don’t you make threads about it?

Deflection deflection deflection

Threads were made they don’t generate any interest at all. Because the lives of Armenians, Kurds, Afghans don’t matter unless there is Israel involved.

The US cares more about where our money is disproportionately going to compared to other nations and that’s fair for us to have more investment in where we have more investment

The ukraine thread is 473 pages and we spent billions there. The Gaza war thread is almost 2 thousand pages long. Interestingly the thread started on October 7th and was titled “looks like another Gaza war has started” instead of something like “Hamas terrorists infiltrate Israel and kill hundreds”

To be honest I think we should not be supportu g Ukraine with weapons. However, can’t you see the key difference?

In Ukraine we are supporting the country being attacked

In Gaza we are aiding a country to attack and starve others.

You remember how Hamas went into Israel and raped and murdered innocent civilians? Or how Hamas fired thousands and thousands of rockets into Israel, and continues to fire rockets into Israel?

So now maybe you can see how wrong your assertion that Israel is attacking and starving others is just flat out wrong.

I did not forget. I’m talking about the here and now. In the here and now Israel is killing and starving people. I think they should stop.

If Hamas was repeating 10/7 I would wish they would stop. But that was a one time (horrific) event.

wow

you know they still have the hostages, right? and won't even say which ones are alive or dead?

Israel could have recovered all surviving hostages by now if it had been prepared to negotiate. Israel has its own Palestinian prisoners rotting away in Israeli jails without charges. Twenty-seven Gazan detainees have died under suspicious circumstances in Israeli custody since the start of this war (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-03-07/ty-article/.premium/27-gaza-detainees-died-in-custody-at-israeli-army-facilities-since-the-start-of-the-war/0000018e-1322-d950-a18e-f3bbaa370000). Possibly thousands of Gazans, including children, may have been forcibly disappeared (https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/12/urgently-investigate-inhumane-treatment-and-enforced-disappearance-of-palestinians-detainees-from-gaza/#:~:text=They%20were%20last%20seen%20at,which%20amounts%20to%20enforced%20disappearance.). Israel refuses to disclose the whereabouts of many of these people, and it also "won't even say which ones are alive or dead."

Kidnapping civilians is unacceptable, but let's not pretend Hamas is the only guilty party here. Israel appears to be doing everything Hamas did on 10/7, but on an exponentially greater scale.

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Is this the same source as the 40 babies in ovens, Hamas rapes everyone, etc? Or maybe this person got Hamas and the IDF confused?

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

Why don’t you make threads about it?

Deflection deflection deflection

Threads were made they don’t generate any interest at all. Because the lives of Armenians, Kurds, Afghans don’t matter unless there is Israel involved.

The US cares more about where our money is disproportionately going to compared to other nations and that’s fair for us to have more investment in where we have more investment

The ukraine thread is 473 pages and we spent billions there. The Gaza war thread is almost 2 thousand pages long. Interestingly the thread started on October 7th and was titled “looks like another Gaza war has started” instead of something like “Hamas terrorists infiltrate Israel and kill hundreds”

To be honest I think we should not be supportu g Ukraine with weapons. However, can’t you see the key difference?

In Ukraine we are supporting the country being attacked

In Gaza we are aiding a country to attack and starve others.

You remember how Hamas went into Israel and raped and murdered innocent civilians? Or how Hamas fired thousands and thousands of rockets into Israel, and continues to fire rockets into Israel?

So now maybe you can see how wrong your assertion that Israel is attacking and starving others is just flat out wrong.

I did not forget. I’m talking about the here and now. In the here and now Israel is killing and starving people. I think they should stop.

If Hamas was repeating 10/7 I would wish they would stop. But that was a one time (horrific) event.

wow

you know they still have the hostages, right? and won't even say which ones are alive or dead?

Israel could have recovered all surviving hostages by now if it had been prepared to negotiate. Israel has its own Palestinian prisoners rotting away in Israeli jails without charges. Twenty-seven Gazan detainees have died under suspicious circumstances in Israeli custody since the start of this war (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-03-07/ty-article/.premium/27-gaza-detainees-died-in-custody-at-israeli-army-facilities-since-the-start-of-the-war/0000018e-1322-d950-a18e-f3bbaa370000). Possibly thousands of Gazans, including children, may have been forcibly disappeared (https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/12/urgently-investigate-inhumane-treatment-and-enforced-disappearance-of-palestinians-detainees-from-gaza/#:~:text=They%20were%20last%20seen%20at,which%20amounts%20to%20enforced%20disappearance.). Israel refuses to disclose the whereabouts of many of these people, and it also "won't even say which ones are alive or dead."

Kidnapping civilians is unacceptable, but let's not pretend Hamas is the only guilty party here. Israel appears to be doing everything Hamas did on 10/7, but on an exponentially greater scale.

keep lying with your lying mouth

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

Why don’t you make threads about it?

Deflection deflection deflection

Threads were made they don’t generate any interest at all. Because the lives of Armenians, Kurds, Afghans don’t matter unless there is Israel involved.

The US cares more about where our money is disproportionately going to compared to other nations and that’s fair for us to have more investment in where we have more investment

The ukraine thread is 473 pages and we spent billions there. The Gaza war thread is almost 2 thousand pages long. Interestingly the thread started on October 7th and was titled “looks like another Gaza war has started” instead of something like “Hamas terrorists infiltrate Israel and kill hundreds”

To be honest I think we should not be supportu g Ukraine with weapons. However, can’t you see the key difference?

In Ukraine we are supporting the country being attacked

In Gaza we are aiding a country to attack and starve others.

You remember how Hamas went into Israel and raped and murdered innocent civilians? Or how Hamas fired thousands and thousands of rockets into Israel, and continues to fire rockets into Israel?

So now maybe you can see how wrong your assertion that Israel is attacking and starving others is just flat out wrong.

I did not forget. I’m talking about the here and now. In the here and now Israel is killing and starving people. I think they should stop.

If Hamas was repeating 10/7 I would wish they would stop. But that was a one time (horrific) event.

wow

you know they still have the hostages, right? and won't even say which ones are alive or dead?

Israel could have recovered all surviving hostages by now if it had been prepared to negotiate. Israel has its own Palestinian prisoners rotting away in Israeli jails without charges. Twenty-seven Gazan detainees have died under suspicious circumstances in Israeli custody since the start of this war (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-03-07/ty-article/.premium/27-gaza-detainees-died-in-custody-at-israeli-army-facilities-since-the-start-of-the-war/0000018e-1322-d950-a18e-f3bbaa370000). Possibly thousands of Gazans, including children, may have been forcibly disappeared (https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/12/urgently-investigate-inhumane-treatment-and-enforced-disappearance-of-palestinians-detainees-from-gaza/#:~:text=They%20were%20last%20seen%20at,which%20amounts%20to%20enforced%20disappearance.). Israel refuses to disclose the whereabouts of many of these people, and it also "won't even say which ones are alive or dead."

Kidnapping civilians is unacceptable, but let's not pretend Hamas is the only guilty party here. Israel appears to be doing everything Hamas did on 10/7, but on an exponentially greater scale.

keep lying with your lying mouth

DP

Lying is an inherently Zionist trait, so thankfully we only have to weed through your lazy sentence to see the lie.

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/middleeast/gaza-israelis-aid-trucks-protests/index.html

Katya, a fine example of the moral and TOTALLY indigenous Israeli - really!

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Anonymous wrote:They have been bombing Israel on stop since 10/7. It’s oddly not covered in the news that there are steady missiles heading to Israel every day. The news makes it seem as if all the aggression is in one direction. It’s bizarre. When they report on the north that make it seem as if Israel is instigating hezbollah. It’s all so weird.

It’s only weird in that Israel has killed over 30,000 people in around 5 months (injured tens of thousands, and destroyed the homes and livelihoods of hundreds of thousands), the majority of whom are non-combative civilians - WHILE NOT A SINGLE NON-COMBATIVE ISRAELI CIVILIAN HAS BEEN INJURED, MUCH LESS KILLED, DURING THAT SAME TIMEFRAME.

And yes, Israeli is provoking in the North, which is a continuation of decades of provocation to justify land grabs.

You don’t have to wake up and face facts, but don’t expect others to believe your horseshit lies.

not true.....here's one example and there are many more

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/world/middleeast/netanyahu-israel-reem-shooting.html

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

Why don’t you make threads about it?

Deflection deflection deflection

Threads were made they don’t generate any interest at all. Because the lives of Armenians, Kurds, Afghans don’t matter unless there is Israel involved.

The US cares more about where our money is disproportionately going to compared to other nations and that’s fair for us to have more investment in where we have more investment

The ukraine thread is 473 pages and we spent billions there. The Gaza war thread is almost 2 thousand pages long. Interestingly the thread started on October 7th and was titled “looks like another Gaza war has started” instead of something like “Hamas terrorists infiltrate Israel and kill hundreds”

To be honest I think we should not be supportu g Ukraine with weapons. However, can’t you see the key difference?

In Ukraine we are supporting the country being attacked

In Gaza we are aiding a country to attack and starve others.

You remember how Hamas went into Israel and raped and murdered innocent civilians? Or how Hamas fired thousands and thousands of rockets into Israel, and continues to fire rockets into Israel?

So now maybe you can see how wrong your assertion that Israel is attacking and starving others is just flat out wrong.

I did not forget. I’m talking about the here and now. In the here and now Israel is killing and starving people. I think they should stop.

If Hamas was repeating 10/7 I would wish they would stop. But that was a one time (horrific) event.

wow

you know they still have the hostages, right? and won't even say which ones are alive or dead?

Israel could have recovered all surviving hostages by now if it had been prepared to negotiate. Israel has its own Palestinian prisoners rotting away in Israeli jails without charges. Twenty-seven Gazan detainees have died under suspicious circumstances in Israeli custody since the start of this war (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-03-07/ty-article/.premium/27-gaza-detainees-died-in-custody-at-israeli-army-facilities-since-the-start-of-the-war/0000018e-1322-d950-a18e-f3bbaa370000). Possibly thousands of Gazans, including children, may have been forcibly disappeared (https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/12/urgently-investigate-inhumane-treatment-and-enforced-disappearance-of-palestinians-detainees-from-gaza/#:~:text=They%20were%20last%20seen%20at,which%20amounts%20to%20enforced%20disappearance.). Israel refuses to disclose the whereabouts of many of these people, and it also "won't even say which ones are alive or dead."

Kidnapping civilians is unacceptable, but let's not pretend Hamas is the only guilty party here. Israel appears to be doing everything Hamas did on 10/7, but on an exponentially greater scale.

keep lying with your lying mouth

A truly meaningless response. Look at the links provided. If you want to dismiss the evidence, you need to do better than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have been bombing Israel on stop since 10/7. It’s oddly not covered in the news that there are steady missiles heading to Israel every day. The news makes it seem as if all the aggression is in one direction. It’s bizarre. When they report on the north that make it seem as if Israel is instigating hezbollah. It’s all so weird.

It’s only weird in that Israel has killed over 30,000 people in around 5 months (injured tens of thousands, and destroyed the homes and livelihoods of hundreds of thousands), the majority of whom are non-combative civilians - WHILE NOT A SINGLE NON-COMBATIVE ISRAELI CIVILIAN HAS BEEN INJURED, MUCH LESS KILLED, DURING THAT SAME TIMEFRAME.

And yes, Israeli is provoking in the North, which is a continuation of decades of provocation to justify land grabs.

You don’t have to wake up and face facts, but don’t expect others to believe your horseshit lies.

not true.....here's one example and there are many more

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/world/middleeast/netanyahu-israel-reem-shooting.html

Assuming the "many more" includes deaths from the "steady missiles heading to Israel every day"? Cites for those?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have been bombing Israel on stop since 10/7. It’s oddly not covered in the news that there are steady missiles heading to Israel every day. The news makes it seem as if all the aggression is in one direction. It’s bizarre. When they report on the north that make it seem as if Israel is instigating hezbollah. It’s all so weird.

It’s only weird in that Israel has killed over 30,000 people in around 5 months (injured tens of thousands, and destroyed the homes and livelihoods of hundreds of thousands), the majority of whom are non-combative civilians - WHILE NOT A SINGLE NON-COMBATIVE ISRAELI CIVILIAN HAS BEEN INJURED, MUCH LESS KILLED, DURING THAT SAME TIMEFRAME.

And yes, Israeli is provoking in the North, which is a continuation of decades of provocation to justify land grabs.

You don’t have to wake up and face facts, but don’t expect others to believe your horseshit lies.

not true.....here's one example and there are many more

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/world/middleeast/netanyahu-israel-reem-shooting.html

Assuming the "many more" includes deaths from the "steady missiles heading to Israel every day"? Cites for those?

Is the war even working if Hamas is still able to send missiles or are these strikes all coming from the North (Lebanon)?

Either way, striking Lebanon in the first place was a dumb move and luckily the US did talk Netanyahu down from doing so. Gaza should’ve been the focus from the start . The ground op to retrieve hostages should’ve been happening on 10/8. Waiting a month and a half was a colossal mistake .

It gave Hamas ample time to separate the hostages and put them in different places

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have been bombing Israel on stop since 10/7. It’s oddly not covered in the news that there are steady missiles heading to Israel every day. The news makes it seem as if all the aggression is in one direction. It’s bizarre. When they report on the north that make it seem as if Israel is instigating hezbollah. It’s all so weird.

It’s only weird in that Israel has killed over 30,000 people in around 5 months (injured tens of thousands, and destroyed the homes and livelihoods of hundreds of thousands), the majority of whom are non-combative civilians - WHILE NOT A SINGLE NON-COMBATIVE ISRAELI CIVILIAN HAS BEEN INJURED, MUCH LESS KILLED, DURING THAT SAME TIMEFRAME.

And yes, Israeli is provoking in the North, which is a continuation of decades of provocation to justify land grabs.

You don’t have to wake up and face facts, but don’t expect others to believe your horseshit lies.

not true.....here's one example and there are many more

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/world/middleeast/netanyahu-israel-reem-shooting.html

Since October 7th, 1,508 Israelis have been killed and 14,341 injured, and more than 217,000 displaced from their homes. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/more-than-1-500-israelis-killed-in-gaza-conflict-says-security-institute/3142162 But here you are falsely claiming "not a single injured, much less killed"

[Anonymous]

In his Saturday interview, Biden said that an Israeli invasion of Rafah would be a red line, before adding in the same breath that crossing it would not result in punitive measures against Israel.

“It is a red line, but I am never going to leave Israel,” Biden said. “The defense of Israel is still critical, so there’s no red line I’m going to cut off all weapons.”

There's Genocide Joe for you. The eager anticipation of sending this feeble, dementing douchebag into retirement is enough of an offset for the sadness I feel knowing that I wasted so much of my life actually believing that our political system was salvageable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have been bombing Israel on stop since 10/7. It’s oddly not covered in the news that there are steady missiles heading to Israel every day. The news makes it seem as if all the aggression is in one direction. It’s bizarre. When they report on the north that make it seem as if Israel is instigating hezbollah. It’s all so weird.

It’s only weird in that Israel has killed over 30,000 people in around 5 months (injured tens of thousands, and destroyed the homes and livelihoods of hundreds of thousands), the majority of whom are non-combative civilians - WHILE NOT A SINGLE NON-COMBATIVE ISRAELI CIVILIAN HAS BEEN INJURED, MUCH LESS KILLED, DURING THAT SAME TIMEFRAME.

And yes, Israeli is provoking in the North, which is a continuation of decades of provocation to justify land grabs.

You don’t have to wake up and face facts, but don’t expect others to believe your horseshit lies.

not true.....here's one example and there are many more

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/world/middleeast/netanyahu-israel-reem-shooting.html

Since October 7th, 1,508 Israelis have been killed and 14,341 injured, and more than 217,000 displaced from their homes. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/more-than-1-500-israelis-killed-in-gaza-conflict-says-security-institute/3142162 But here you are falsely claiming "not a single injured, much less killed"

You're counting those dead on 10/7? And IDF personnel dead while killing 30,000+ Palestinians? Also, your attention to detail is as solid as your "facts": what was said was "in around 5 months" and five months ago was October 11, 2023. The dead from 10/7/2023 don't count.

Your clock started on 10/7/2023. Mine started on 10/11/2023. Just like you want to pretend that decades of Israeli atrocities didn't occur, I guess I'll choose to pretend that 10/7/2023 also didn't occur. See how ridiculous that is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have been bombing Israel on stop since 10/7. It’s oddly not covered in the news that there are steady missiles heading to Israel every day. The news makes it seem as if all the aggression is in one direction. It’s bizarre. When they report on the north that make it seem as if Israel is instigating hezbollah. It’s all so weird.

It’s only weird in that Israel has killed over 30,000 people in around 5 months (injured tens of thousands, and destroyed the homes and livelihoods of hundreds of thousands), the majority of whom are non-combative civilians - WHILE NOT A SINGLE NON-COMBATIVE ISRAELI CIVILIAN HAS BEEN INJURED, MUCH LESS KILLED, DURING THAT SAME TIMEFRAME.

And yes, Israeli is provoking in the North, which is a continuation of decades of provocation to justify land grabs.

You don’t have to wake up and face facts, but don’t expect others to believe your horseshit lies.

not true.....here's one example and there are many more

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/world/middleeast/netanyahu-israel-reem-shooting.html

Since October 7th, 1,508 Israelis have been killed and 14,341 injured, and more than 217,000 displaced from their homes. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/more-than-1-500-israelis-killed-in-gaza-conflict-says-security-institute/3142162 But here you are falsely claiming "not a single injured, much less killed"

You're counting those dead on 10/7? And IDF personnel dead while killing 30,000+ Palestinians? Also, your attention to detail is as solid as your "facts": what was said was "in around 5 months" and five months ago was October 11, 2023. The dead from 10/7/2023 don't count.

Your clock started on 10/7/2023. Mine started on 10/11/2023. Just like you want to pretend that decades of Israeli atrocities didn't occur, I guess I'll choose to pretend that 10/7/2023 also didn't occur. See how ridiculous that is?

If the PP IS counting Israelis killed on 10/7, many of them were killed by the Israeli military. There are numerous accounts of a "mass Hannibal directive," orders by Israeli commanders to their troops to fire on Israeli communities, and muzzling of former hostages so that "the real story" doesn't come out.
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/11/27/israeli-tank-orders-fire-kibbutz/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have been bombing Israel on stop since 10/7. It’s oddly not covered in the news that there are steady missiles heading to Israel every day. The news makes it seem as if all the aggression is in one direction. It’s bizarre. When they report on the north that make it seem as if Israel is instigating hezbollah. It’s all so weird.

It’s only weird in that Israel has killed over 30,000 people in around 5 months (injured tens of thousands, and destroyed the homes and livelihoods of hundreds of thousands), the majority of whom are non-combative civilians - WHILE NOT A SINGLE NON-COMBATIVE ISRAELI CIVILIAN HAS BEEN INJURED, MUCH LESS KILLED, DURING THAT SAME TIMEFRAME.

And yes, Israeli is provoking in the North, which is a continuation of decades of provocation to justify land grabs.

You don’t have to wake up and face facts, but don’t expect others to believe your horseshit lies.

not true.....here's one example and there are many more

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/world/middleeast/netanyahu-israel-reem-shooting.html

Since October 7th, 1,508 Israelis have been killed and 14,341 injured, and more than 217,000 displaced from their homes. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/more-than-1-500-israelis-killed-in-gaza-conflict-says-security-institute/3142162 But here you are falsely claiming "not a single injured, much less killed"

300 Israeli civilians didn’t die from strikes after 10/7. The 1500 is from 300 IDF soldiers who died in Gaza.

The PP was saying the rockets didn’t kill anybody inside of Israel. The last time Hamas rockets killed anyone in Israel was a while ago. They launched over 11,000 rockets into Israel as of January and it didn’t kill anyone or even destroy any homes.

This is why the kibbutz destruction on 10/7 was more than likely from Israel as Hamas rockets are amateur and weak as fireworks and don’t have the firepower to break homes to the rubble

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have been bombing Israel on stop since 10/7. It’s oddly not covered in the news that there are steady missiles heading to Israel every day. The news makes it seem as if all the aggression is in one direction. It’s bizarre. When they report on the north that make it seem as if Israel is instigating hezbollah. It’s all so weird.

It’s only weird in that Israel has killed over 30,000 people in around 5 months (injured tens of thousands, and destroyed the homes and livelihoods of hundreds of thousands), the majority of whom are non-combative civilians - WHILE NOT A SINGLE NON-COMBATIVE ISRAELI CIVILIAN HAS BEEN INJURED, MUCH LESS KILLED, DURING THAT SAME TIMEFRAME.

And yes, Israeli is provoking in the North, which is a continuation of decades of provocation to justify land grabs.

You don’t have to wake up and face facts, but don’t expect others to believe your horseshit lies.

not true.....here's one example and there are many more

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/world/middleeast/netanyahu-israel-reem-shooting.html

Since October 7th, 1,508 Israelis have been killed and 14,341 injured, and more than 217,000 displaced from their homes. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/more-than-1-500-israelis-killed-in-gaza-conflict-says-security-institute/3142162 But here you are falsely claiming "not a single injured, much less killed"

That’s because these useful idiots use alternative facts and spit out bs for breakfast.