Will Whittle be around next year?

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Those numbers almost certainly include benefits like health insurance, retirement, etc. So your math is off.


Again, $150k/yr is an excellent private school salary. Are you really arguing that payroll taxes, health insurance, and retirement contributions are $50-$100k/yr. per person?



Most private school teachers in this area are making about $70k with crappy health insurance.

Depends on the grade level but yeah, something like that. USs pay the best and could see some teachers, particularly STEM, hitting $100k. Buy on average from LS to US, $70-75k makes sense. Benefits at private schools are universally terrible.


You are mistaken. Have you looked up the 990’s for all of the DMV private schools? Very few are making 6 figures!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The point of those stats being that in the letter parents received at the end of December (quoted up thread), Whittle claimed that $2 million was needed for operating expenses, $1 million of which was to cover debts due immediately and the rest to cover December payroll. As Whittle also mentioned having 44 teachers in that same letter, $1 million seems a very high monthly payroll expense. It would suggest that he, and perhaps other school leaders, are making exorbitant salaries well in excess of what very highly compensated DC-area heads make or that Whittle was lying about finances up until the very end.


My bet is both.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Those numbers almost certainly include benefits like health insurance, retirement, etc. So your math is off.


Again, $150k/yr is an excellent private school salary. Are you really arguing that payroll taxes, health insurance, and retirement contributions are $50-$100k/yr. per person?



Most private school teachers in this area are making about $70k with crappy health insurance.

Depends on the grade level but yeah, something like that. USs pay the best and could see some teachers, particularly STEM, hitting $100k. Buy on average from LS to US, $70-75k makes sense. Benefits at private schools are universally terrible.


You are mistaken. Have you looked up the 990’s for all of the DMV private schools? Very few are making 6 figures!

990s don’t list teacher salaries. And no I’m not mistaken, the best US STEM faculty at Sidwell/GDS/Etc are making six figures. But that’s not very many.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Those numbers almost certainly include benefits like health insurance, retirement, etc. So your math is off.


Again, $150k/yr is an excellent private school salary. Are you really arguing that payroll taxes, health insurance, and retirement contributions are $50-$100k/yr. per person?



Most private school teachers in this area are making about $70k with crappy health insurance.

Depends on the grade level but yeah, something like that. USs pay the best and could see some teachers, particularly STEM, hitting $100k. Buy on average from LS to US, $70-75k makes sense. Benefits at private schools are universally terrible.


You are mistaken. Have you looked up the 990’s for all of the DMV private schools? Very few are making 6 figures!

990s don’t list teacher salaries. And no I’m not mistaken, the best US STEM faculty at Sidwell/GDS/Etc are making six figures. But that’s not very many.


After how many years? No one is making that unless they are long-time faculty.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Those numbers almost certainly include benefits like health insurance, retirement, etc. So your math is off.


Again, $150k/yr is an excellent private school salary. Are you really arguing that payroll taxes, health insurance, and retirement contributions are $50-$100k/yr. per person?



Most private school teachers in this area are making about $70k with crappy health insurance.

Depends on the grade level but yeah, something like that. USs pay the best and could see some teachers, particularly STEM, hitting $100k. Buy on average from LS to US, $70-75k makes sense. Benefits at private schools are universally terrible.


You are mistaken. Have you looked up the 990’s for all of the DMV private schools? Very few are making 6 figures!

990s don’t list teacher salaries. And no I’m not mistaken, the best US STEM faculty at Sidwell/GDS/Etc are making six figures. But that’s not very many.



They absolutely list teacher salaries if they are within the top 10 paid employees. You can look at employee #10 to see if it’s a teacher or not. Usually not.
Anonymous
And just a quick peek at 990’s on Guide Star reveals some data. Ironically, Sidwell only had 990’s available up to 2004!

These were the “lowest paid of the highest paid” employees reported on the 990’s. The highest paid positions are 12 month positions like admin (which were in their top paid employee list) and Development director, Admission Director, Head of IT, CFO, Director or Curriculum/Pd (which most of these schools pay less than what you see here). So you can bet a school is NOT paying a 10 month teacher more than a 12 month employee.

GDS 2020
principal $160k

Maret 2019
Director of Ms $150k
Lang Dept Chair $151

Bullis 2019
Controller $147k
MS Principal $154k

Landon 2019
Head of MS $132k
Director of IT $136k

Holton 2020
Director of Athletics $146k
Director of MS $156k
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Glassdoor is showing two DC-area teacher salaries, $32k and $80,193. Three admissions staff reported base salaries from $57k-$111k/year. Whittle full-time employment ads on Glassdoor from the last year were offering $33k-$69k/year.

So yeah, total payroll expenses of $1 million for a month’s worth of 44 salaries seems really suspicious, even if the school had the most costly benefits packages in the entire DC area.

Either it’s a lie, or leadership at Whittle were making serious bank.


Maret's most recent 990 shows $17 million in salaries, compensation, and benefits for 174 employees, which comes to about $98k per employee.

If Whittle's annual payroll is $13 million for 44 employees, that comes to more than $295k per employee.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Glassdoor is showing two DC-area teacher salaries, $32k and $80,193. Three admissions staff reported base salaries from $57k-$111k/year. Whittle full-time employment ads on Glassdoor from the last year were offering $33k-$69k/year.

So yeah, total payroll expenses of $1 million for a month’s worth of 44 salaries seems really suspicious, even if the school had the most costly benefits packages in the entire DC area.

Either it’s a lie, or leadership at Whittle were making serious bank.


Maret's most recent 990 shows $17 million in salaries, compensation, and benefits for 174 employees, which comes to about $98k per employee.

If Whittle's annual payroll is $13 million for 44 employees, that comes to more than $295k per employee.


Where is everyone getting this 44 number from? In their public directory, there are 60 employees listed. Maybe 44 faculty...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Glassdoor is showing two DC-area teacher salaries, $32k and $80,193. Three admissions staff reported base salaries from $57k-$111k/year. Whittle full-time employment ads on Glassdoor from the last year were offering $33k-$69k/year.

So yeah, total payroll expenses of $1 million for a month’s worth of 44 salaries seems really suspicious, even if the school had the most costly benefits packages in the entire DC area.

Either it’s a lie, or leadership at Whittle were making serious bank.


Maret's most recent 990 shows $17 million in salaries, compensation, and benefits for 174 employees, which comes to about $98k per employee.

If Whittle's annual payroll is $13 million for 44 employees, that comes to more than $295k per employee.

That’s a good comparison. Maret will have a number of athletic coaches though that are not paid very highly.
Anonymous
Werevnon-teacher salaries paid in December? I hope not!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Glassdoor is showing two DC-area teacher salaries, $32k and $80,193. Three admissions staff reported base salaries from $57k-$111k/year. Whittle full-time employment ads on Glassdoor from the last year were offering $33k-$69k/year.

So yeah, total payroll expenses of $1 million for a month’s worth of 44 salaries seems really suspicious, even if the school had the most costly benefits packages in the entire DC area.

Either it’s a lie, or leadership at Whittle were making serious bank.


Maret's most recent 990 shows $17 million in salaries, compensation, and benefits for 174 employees, which comes to about $98k per employee.

If Whittle's annual payroll is $13 million for 44 employees, that comes to more than $295k per employee.


Where is everyone getting this 44 number from? In their public directory, there are 60 employees listed. Maybe 44 faculty...


Okay, $13 million for 60 employees comes to about $217k per employee. Still a significant difference.
Anonymous
From Whittle’s 12/22 email to families (posted a few pages back):

“Even though we have in our 2-3 week grasp (confirmed yesterday), a multi-hundred million, long term capital solution with three new key shareholders/stakeholders…The amount [needed in order to receive those funds] is roughly $2mm …. If that [approach to getting the $2M] does not work by Tuesday of next week, then we must shift our strategy from continuation of our school as we know it to (a) working immediately on ways that our families have educational opportunities (including perhaps with their same classmates and teachers in partnership with other schools) for this January, (b) asking the same sources above not to invest but to simply contribute so that our teachers can be paid during the holiday season, meaning next week, and (c) using our resources and contacts to help teachers and staff find continuing employment.”

I guess one could assume, since they didn't start making alternative plans, that he somehow got the $2M? If the dates above still hold true, the "2-3 week grasp" window would begin tomorrow.

It'll be an interesting/nerve-wracking couple of weeks at Whittle.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:From Whittle’s 12/22 email to families (posted a few pages back):

“Even though we have in our 2-3 week grasp (confirmed yesterday), a multi-hundred million, long term capital solution with three new key shareholders/stakeholders…The amount [needed in order to receive those funds] is roughly $2mm …. If that [approach to getting the $2M] does not work by Tuesday of next week, then we must shift our strategy from continuation of our school as we know it to (a) working immediately on ways that our families have educational opportunities (including perhaps with their same classmates and teachers in partnership with other schools) for this January, (b) asking the same sources above not to invest but to simply contribute so that our teachers can be paid during the holiday season, meaning next week, and (c) using our resources and contacts to help teachers and staff find continuing employment.”

I guess one could assume, since they didn't start making alternative plans, that he somehow got the $2M? If the dates above still hold true, the "2-3 week grasp" window would begin tomorrow.

It'll be an interesting/nerve-wracking couple of weeks at Whittle.


Sure will. Because what "new stakeholders" would offer a "long-term capital solution" to somebody who's lost 90 percent of his original staff in under three years, has never been able to attract more than a handful of people willing and able to pay the tuition price his business plan set out as critical to making the for-profit structure work, has apparently lost as many students annually as he's gained although the business plan established a goal of doubling the number of students every year, has apparently lost the one "global" partner that could make this the "global school" it's supposed to be, is currently being sued for nonpayment of north of $30 million in invoices, and has his record of running business after business into the ground and sometimes being ridden out of town on a rail, without a single actual success -- business or educational -- to his name?

From Class Clowns on his departure from his previous "world" school, Avenues: "The transaction was a kind hostile takeover that followed the collapse of frantic efforts by Whittle to find alternative financing that would leave him in control of Avenues."

And on the fate of the investors in another of his previous enterprises, Whittle Communications: "Philips lost its entire $175 million and Time Inc. lost well over half of its $185 million. Whittle Communications would forever be known at Time Warner as 'Time Inc's Vietnam.'"

I guess the new stakeholders can't read?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:From Whittle’s 12/22 email to families (posted a few pages back):

“Even though we have in our 2-3 week grasp (confirmed yesterday), a multi-hundred million, long term capital solution with three new key shareholders/stakeholders…The amount [needed in order to receive those funds] is roughly $2mm …. If that [approach to getting the $2M] does not work by Tuesday of next week, then we must shift our strategy from continuation of our school as we know it to (a) working immediately on ways that our families have educational opportunities (including perhaps with their same classmates and teachers in partnership with other schools) for this January, (b) asking the same sources above not to invest but to simply contribute so that our teachers can be paid during the holiday season, meaning next week, and (c) using our resources and contacts to help teachers and staff find continuing employment.”

I guess one could assume, since they didn't start making alternative plans, that he somehow got the $2M? If the dates above still hold true, the "2-3 week grasp" window would begin tomorrow.

It'll be an interesting/nerve-wracking couple of weeks at Whittle.


Sure will. Because what "new stakeholders" would offer a "long-term capital solution" to somebody who's lost 90 percent of his original staff in under three years, has never been able to attract more than a handful of people willing and able to pay the tuition price his business plan set out as critical to making the for-profit structure work, has apparently lost as many students annually as he's gained although the business plan established a goal of doubling the number of students every year, has apparently lost the one "global" partner that could make this the "global school" it's supposed to be, is currently being sued for nonpayment of north of $30 million in invoices, and has his record of running business after business into the ground and sometimes being ridden out of town on a rail, without a single actual success -- business or educational -- to his name?

From Class Clowns on his departure from his previous "world" school, Avenues: "The transaction was a kind hostile takeover that followed the collapse of frantic efforts by Whittle to find alternative financing that would leave him in control of Avenues."

And on the fate of the investors in another of his previous enterprises, Whittle Communications: "Philips lost its entire $175 million and Time Inc. lost well over half of its $185 million. Whittle Communications would forever be known at Time Warner as 'Time Inc's Vietnam.'"

I guess the new stakeholders can't read?




This begs the question: can a " community member" with access to privileged information be held to the same standard of fraudulent inducement ( withholding information material to the transaction) as an administrator,-- if they are deemed a "representative"?......it's important because there has always been a "pay to play" atmosphere around the community--those with money getting sneak previews of what's going on...and those are likely the ones twisting arms for cash now...

I sure wouldn't want to find out that my "donation to payroll" was actually used to clear a bunch of bad debt some vulture lender required....
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:From Whittle’s 12/22 email to families (posted a few pages back):

“Even though we have in our 2-3 week grasp (confirmed yesterday), a multi-hundred million, long term capital solution with three new key shareholders/stakeholders…The amount [needed in order to receive those funds] is roughly $2mm …. If that [approach to getting the $2M] does not work by Tuesday of next week, then we must shift our strategy from continuation of our school as we know it to (a) working immediately on ways that our families have educational opportunities (including perhaps with their same classmates and teachers in partnership with other schools) for this January, (b) asking the same sources above not to invest but to simply contribute so that our teachers can be paid during the holiday season, meaning next week, and (c) using our resources and contacts to help teachers and staff find continuing employment.”

I guess one could assume, since they didn't start making alternative plans, that he somehow got the $2M? If the dates above still hold true, the "2-3 week grasp" window would begin tomorrow.

It'll be an interesting/nerve-wracking couple of weeks at Whittle.


Sure will. Because what "new stakeholders" would offer a "long-term capital solution" to somebody who's lost 90 percent of his original staff in under three years, has never been able to attract more than a handful of people willing and able to pay the tuition price his business plan set out as critical to making the for-profit structure work, has apparently lost as many students annually as he's gained although the business plan established a goal of doubling the number of students every year, has apparently lost the one "global" partner that could make this the "global school" it's supposed to be, is currently being sued for nonpayment of north of $30 million in invoices, and has his record of running business after business into the ground and sometimes being ridden out of town on a rail, without a single actual success -- business or educational -- to his name?

From Class Clowns on his departure from his previous "world" school, Avenues: "The transaction was a kind hostile takeover that followed the collapse of frantic efforts by Whittle to find alternative financing that would leave him in control of Avenues."

And on the fate of the investors in another of his previous enterprises, Whittle Communications: "Philips lost its entire $175 million and Time Inc. lost well over half of its $185 million. Whittle Communications would forever be known at Time Warner as 'Time Inc's Vietnam.'"

I guess the new stakeholders can't read?




This begs the question: can a " community member" with access to privileged information be held to the same standard of fraudulent inducement ( withholding information material to the transaction) as an administrator,-- if they are deemed a "representative"?......it's important because there has always been a "pay to play" atmosphere around the community--those with money getting sneak previews of what's going on...and those are likely the ones twisting arms for cash now...

I sure wouldn't want to find out that my "donation to payroll" was actually used to clear a bunch of bad debt some vulture lender required....


Don’t donate to a for-profit company —and particularly not this one. It won’t forestall the failing of the business.

If you are worried about the teachers getting paid, just give them money directly and avoid the black hole.
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