Oh well better just go with whatever the (small, handpicked, heavily Republican) polls crowd says. No need to think for oneself, right? Just vote Republican. |
No, voting for Trump is not the answer in any circumstance. There are other voting options for the many, many people that are outraged by the major parties not being able to steer away from nominating Trump and Biden again. Trump and Biden received 155 million votes between them in 2020. If they were to receive only 125 to 130 million votes in 2024, it would be an effective way for frustrated voters to have their voice heard. Swing voters have a loud voice in an election but a louder voice would be from a loss of voters that were assumed to be a given. |
That is pathetic. You are gong to have a tantrum over the nominees and not participate because that will show them or something? The differences between the candidates are stark. Participate or do not complain about the outcome. |
I'm probably voting for Biden regardless of how pathetic that may be. I won't shame anyone for voting for neither. |
I will. I dont have riches or power but I have a vote and last time around, the GOP tried to throw my vote in the garbage on Jan 6th. Shame on voters that don't exercise the power of their vote. It can be taken away if you don't protect it. |
Let’s see who ends up running. People love to talk about a magical mythical centrist but when there’s a name attached suddenly no one likes that candidate. Last year when Generic No Labels candidate was polling 25%, Joe Manchin was polling at 2%. Once the reality of Trump winning nomination sinks in, NL will become a spoiler or drop their grift. |
I’ve missed Greg Sargent’s writing at Wapo. “So the only real impact of a No Labels bid will likely be to pull in center-right voters who might be disillusioned by Trump and otherwise would have grudgingly gone to Biden, helping the former president. The logic of the situation is irresistible: Trump poses a profound threat to U.S. democracy and the country, and the Republican Party is largely his willing accomplice. Biden doesn’t pose any such threat and has at times governed in a bipartisan way, with the Democratic Party proving far more willing than the GOP to enter into the very cross-party problem-solving compromises No Labels craves.“ Bold mine. The article covers the fact that No Labels cannot win and that they will serve only to draw off center right voters who otherwise would have voted Biden (if grudgingly). With so much on the line, I hope we can all put third party nonsense out of mind. If they want a third party, start at the grassroots. Change the electoral process. Stop running spoilers. |
I’ve started listening to his podcast which is really good. This crystallizes the whole thing. |
And that's what drives me nuts. Trump tried to overturn an election, yet he is leading in the polls. WTF is wrong with this country? Are low taxes all you care about? |
Most people in the country aren’t interested in politics and don’t see the difference from one president to another, from one party to the other. They don’t care. Most of the things that do end up changing don’t do so overnight - you think trickle down economics and the decision to off shore occurred overnight? Nah. In fact I just learned on this here website within the last month or so that Clinton only signed NAFTA but that it had been negotiated years before, and I’m semi-politically interested. Look at the GOP’s tax cut under Trump: they sunsetted the middle class tax cuts so now it looks like Biden is raising taxes. So put the delay in effect together with a corporate media that very much favors Republicans, to the point of absolute absurdity, and you have a populace that truly believes that both sides are the same and what is the point of voting, but sure some of them will answer a poll. That and the GOP has a full on propaganda arm that feeds their followers talking points that echo one another so closely that it’s creepy. |