Another gunman, another elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:SRO did not even try. Any normally constituted adult would have risked their lives to try to prevent the certain death of many kids. Also the shooter had already shot his grandma. Local schools should have been on lock-down and the SROs should have been ready when he arrived and crashed the truck. Those poor kids died alone hoping someone would come to their rescue.

But even apart from that, the police were right on him, correct? And waited an hour and a half? If that is now established fact, there needs to be some kind of federal investigation, public Congressional hearings, and I’d support - with family consent - blurred face photos of the deceased to show AR damage to the victims. This is insane. I’m not aware of this kind of pussy-footing in the response to active shooter scenes. The Uvalde victims were sacrificed in part BY the law enforcement officers on the scene because of their cowardice. Call it what it is!

You don’t need blurred face photos of the victims. Their faces have been mangled beyond recognition by high velocity automatic gunfire. That’s why they have needed DNA to match each pile of blood and mangled flesh to a set a of parents - they are UNRECOGNIZABLE.

Law enforcement support for an assault weapons ban - at least at the leadership level - has been very strong for decades. They lobbied to have the ban renewed when it was set to expire in 2003. Law enforcement officers know better than anyone the devastating effects of these weapons and that they are no match for them carrying their standard issue 9mm handguns.

People are outraged about the delay in LEOs entering the school. Those kids and teachers were dead within minutes of his entering that classroom. There are articles on the internet by trauma surgeons describing the damage to the human body caused by high velocity bullets from assault weapons. These wounds are nearly always unsurvivable, even with immediate medical attention.

WAKE UP PEOPLE. GET OFF THE INTERNET AND GET INTO THE FIGHT FOR GUN SAFETY LEGISLATION. I live in a state where these weapons are still banned, as well as high capacity magazines. The relief is real. Go out there and get involved and make it happen for your kids, too.

It doesn’t sound like they did enough to prevent him entering. They were on him when the truck crashed.

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Anonymous wrote:So the school doors weren't locked? Why

The classrooms face the outside.

He went in through a back door.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him.

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DP. Then what good are they? If you're not signing up to either protect or serve what are you signing up to do exactly? Why have a special class designated, armed, and trained to protect us from violence if, we the violence actually starts, they're worth less than the unarmed parents ready to die for the kids?

Protect and serve is not synonymous with signing up to sacrifice your life for a $40000 salary.

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Reports coming out that the police waited outside the school for over an hour while the shooter was inside. Kids were bleeding out while they were too much of cowards to help. Despicable. They should all be fired. Cops are not the answer!

I thought Texas had many good guys with guns who will protect their people. Where were they?

Not having their guns because the school is a no gun zone and they follow the law. Unlike people who want to shoot other people, who do not follow the law.

There was at least one armed officer at the school. Plus others who reportedly responded after the shooter crashed his truck. The police are on record that they “engaged” with the shooter before he entered the school.

Then they go in after him. Discharging your weapon one then giving up and waiting outside was the wrong thing to do. They should have continuously engaged with him and followed him in- until either he or they were unable to engage further.

There is no indication at this point that any officer fired a weapon at the shooter before he was allowed to gain entry to the school.

Correct. And it turns out his vest was not body armour but merely ammo storage. A few well placed shots to the chest would have done the trick.

As my husband in law enforcement, an air marshall, has said, two to the chest, one to the head. These guards are unlikely to have strong marksmanship skills though right? That requires a lot of training and practice, a lot of muscle memory. Maybe this will bring about changes in training. There will be a lot to unpack about this tragedy on multiple levels obviously.

The chest is a pretty big target. That’s why it’s recommended.

I suppose if the target is standing squarely in front of you and not running away from you. Either way the shooter was wearing a ballistic vest. We can assume the resource officer was not carrying a high velocity rifle. Keep staying at that Holiday Inn Express.

No, he was not

Cite?

It was reported earlier that the suspect was wearing body armor, but it appears he was wearing a plate carrier vest with no ballistic armor inside, authorities said.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-shooter-bought-gun-legally/

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him.

Nope.

DP. Then what good are they? If you're not signing up to either protect or serve what are you signing up to do exactly? Why have a special class designated, armed, and trained to protect us from violence if, we the violence actually starts, they're worth less than the unarmed parents ready to die for the kids?

Protect and serve is not synonymous with signing up to sacrifice your life for a $40000 salary.

They bravely prevented parents from entering and tying to do something. Maybe the motto should be changed to 'establish a perimeter and wait'

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him. Especially if there was more than one of them

Unfortunately, that's not what their training tells them to do:

Police training starts in the academy, where the concept of officer safety is so heavily emphasized that it takes on almost religious significance. Rookie officers are taught what is widely known as the “first rule of law enforcement”: An officer’s overriding goal every day is to go home at the end of their shift.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

That’s why more children have been killed by gunfire this year than police officers. It was reported in the post.

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It sounds like there wasn’t a full time resource officer actually assigned to the school, which perhaps isn’t surprising for an elementary school. The officer just happened to be present. It’s even more surprising that a school district of this size had four full time resource officers, plus a detective and chief.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him.

Nope.

DP. Then what good are they? If you're not signing up to either protect or serve what are you signing up to do exactly? Why have a special class designated, armed, and trained to protect us from violence if, we the violence actually starts, they're worth less than the unarmed parents ready to die for the kids?

Protect and serve is not synonymous with signing up to sacrifice your life for a $40000 salary.

The civilians there didn't need a big salary to be prepared to sacrifice their lives. Dozens of volunteer firefighters die saving people every year and don't get paid a dime.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him.

Nope.

DP. Then what good are they? If you're not signing up to either protect or serve what are you signing up to do exactly? Why have a special class designated, armed, and trained to protect us from violence if, we the violence actually starts, they're worth less than the unarmed parents ready to die for the kids?

Protect and serve is not synonymous with signing up to sacrifice your life for a $40000 salary.

And yet the republicans say we need for security? So the good guys with guns is just total bs. I will say if you are being paid to protect the public and you do not why what the point?

Unarmed teachers with no body armor throw their bodies in front of their children to buy time and the police are saying they are nor paid enough to do the same?

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him.

Nope.

DP. Then what good are they? If you're not signing up to either protect or serve what are you signing up to do exactly? Why have a special class designated, armed, and trained to protect us from violence if, we the violence actually starts, they're worth less than the unarmed parents ready to die for the kids?

Protect and serve is not synonymous with signing up to sacrifice your life for a $40000 salary.

Well then perhaps they should stfu for one minute about being hEROEs!

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him.

Nope.

DP. Then what good are they? If you're not signing up to either protect or serve what are you signing up to do exactly? Why have a special class designated, armed, and trained to protect us from violence if, we the violence actually starts, they're worth less than the unarmed parents ready to die for the kids?

Protect and serve is not synonymous with signing up to sacrifice your life for a $40000 salary.

The civilians there didn't need a big salary to be prepared to sacrifice their lives. Dozens of volunteer firefighters die saving people every year and don't get paid a dime.

Everyone expects firefighters to rush into burning building. People expect police to establish a perimeter

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him.

Nope.

DP. Then what good are they? If you're not signing up to either protect or serve what are you signing up to do exactly? Why have a special class designated, armed, and trained to protect us from violence if, we the violence actually starts, they're worth less than the unarmed parents ready to die for the kids?

Protect and serve is not synonymous with signing up to sacrifice your life for a $40000 salary.

They bravely prevented parents from entering and tying to do something. Maybe the motto should be changed to 'establish a perimeter and wait'

Maybe establishing a secure perimeter and not allowing parents to run around a building with an active shooter in of itself isn’t a bad thing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him.

Nope.

DP. Then what good are they? If you're not signing up to either protect or serve what are you signing up to do exactly? Why have a special class designated, armed, and trained to protect us from violence if, we the violence actually starts, they're worth less than the unarmed parents ready to die for the kids?

Protect and serve is not synonymous with signing up to sacrifice your life for a $40000 salary.

They bravely prevented parents from entering and tying to do something. Maybe the motto should be changed to 'establish a perimeter and wait'

Maybe establishing a secure perimeter and not allowing parents to run around a building with an active shooter in of itself isn’t a bad thing?

So the police just secure a far-off boundary and dassit. After all, not worth 40K (a lie of an estimate, given the average police budget and OT).

I’m glad you are showing what you are. Thank you for your honesty.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him.

Nope.

DP. Then what good are they? If you're not signing up to either protect or serve what are you signing up to do exactly? Why have a special class designated, armed, and trained to protect us from violence if, we the violence actually starts, they're worth less than the unarmed parents ready to die for the kids?

Protect and serve is not synonymous with signing up to sacrifice your life for a $40000 salary.

They bravely prevented parents from entering and tying to do something. Maybe the motto should be changed to 'establish a perimeter and wait'

Maybe establishing a secure perimeter and not allowing parents to run around a building with an active shooter in of itself isn’t a bad thing?

a secure perimeter amounted to allowing a room full of 9 and 10 year olds to be murdered. Is there a medal that these brave heroes can be awarded for that quick thinking?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him.

Nope.

DP. Then what good are they? If you're not signing up to either protect or serve what are you signing up to do exactly? Why have a special class designated, armed, and trained to protect us from violence if, we the violence actually starts, they're worth less than the unarmed parents ready to die for the kids?

Protect and serve is not synonymous with signing up to sacrifice your life for a $40000 salary.

They bravely prevented parents from entering and tying to do something. Maybe the motto should be changed to 'establish a perimeter and wait'

Maybe establishing a secure perimeter and not allowing parents to run around a building with an active shooter in of itself isn’t a bad thing?

It’s not best practice (and that is widely known.) if they were too scared to do it they should have let parents go to their childrens aid.