Gaza War, Part 3

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I would also say it’s curious the Kuwaiti; Saudi, Qatari, and Emirate Jews somehow disappeared and didn’t emigrate to Israel like the rest of the Middle East’s Jews. It’s obvious when the Brits went to the area after WW1, they installed the Jews there as the royal families and some name changes and religious changes took place. It wouldn’t surprise me if these aren’t really Arabs leading these places. Nobody could explain why Iraqi and Yemeni Jews were able to go to Israel but all the ones with monarchies mysteriously have no Jews in Israel

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

Why don’t you make threads about it?

Deflection deflection deflection

Threads were made they don’t generate any interest at all. Because the lives of Armenians, Kurds, Afghans don’t matter unless there is Israel involved.

The US cares more about where our money is disproportionately going to compared to other nations and that’s fair for us to have more investment in where we have more investment

So you don’t care that we spent billions and billions in Iraq (and still spending) yet Kurds still don’t have a homeland after supporting us in Iraq?

I care and do not want my taxpayer dollars to go towards any international conflict. But the title of this particular thread is Gaza War. No matter the terrible things our govt supports in other countries still doesn’t make what Israel is doing right. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Israeli is a Jewish country.

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

Why don’t you make threads about it?

Deflection deflection deflection

Threads were made they don’t generate any interest at all. Because the lives of Armenians, Kurds, Afghans don’t matter unless there is Israel involved.

The US cares more about where our money is disproportionately going to compared to other nations and that’s fair for us to have more investment in where we have more investment

The ukraine thread is 473 pages and we spent billions there. The Gaza war thread is almost 2 thousand pages long. Interestingly the thread started on October 7th and was titled “looks like another Gaza war has started” instead of something like “Hamas terrorists infiltrate Israel and kill hundreds”

To be honest I think we should not be supportu g Ukraine with weapons. However, can’t you see the key difference?

In Ukraine we are supporting the country being attacked

In Gaza we are aiding a country to attack and starve others.

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Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

I can't think of anything more likely to make a Palestinian want to support Hamas than to have one of their relatives murdered by some Israeli settler terrorist.

That aside, the fact that someone waves a flag you don't like now apparently means you can now murder one of their family members. Is this what you're saying? What other flags are an excuse for murdering a family member? I think Israel is a genocidal nation that is committing war crimes. Does that mean I should kill the relatives of someone who waves an Israeli flag? You need to think about the precedent you're trying to set here and how you would feel if the roles were reversed.

We know these West Bank settlers have a long history of harassing, murdering, and threatening Palestinians with a view to stealing their property. One thief was even caught on camera saying, 'If I don't steal it, someone else will steal it." The settlers know what they're doing, and Israel allows them to get away with it. This is accumulation through dispossession, and it has been going on since before the Nakba, and it is evil. Palestinians are considered uentermenschen who can be killed or kicked out of their homes without consequences.

This article describes a West Bank Palestinian who records settler aggression on video: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/03/04/israel-west-bank-settlers-attacks-palestinians
Even as he was collecting footage of settlers looting a Palestinian home and breaking and entering, Israeli soldiers stood by and watched. The soldiers later walked home with the settlers to their settlement, which is illegal under international law. Israel allows this racist violence as part of its strategy of ethnic cleansing.

But Israelis, who had family and friends murdered on the kibbutz, should not be upset.

Of course, they can be upset. How did you manage to reach the conclusion that they should not be? Your analogy is taking you in the opposite direction from where you want to go. Think about it.

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

Why don’t you make threads about it?

Deflection deflection deflection

Threads were made they don’t generate any interest at all. Because the lives of Armenians, Kurds, Afghans don’t matter unless there is Israel involved.

The US cares more about where our money is disproportionately going to compared to other nations and that’s fair for us to have more investment in where we have more investment

The ukraine thread is 473 pages and we spent billions there. The Gaza war thread is almost 2 thousand pages long. Interestingly the thread started on October 7th and was titled “looks like another Gaza war has started” instead of something like “Hamas terrorists infiltrate Israel and kill hundreds”

To be honest I think we should not be supportu g Ukraine with weapons. However, can’t you see the key difference?

In Ukraine we are supporting the country being attacked

In Gaza we are aiding a country to attack and starve others.

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We are complicit in the genocide in Gaza if we don't speak out about where are tax dollars are going.

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

LOL funny you should bring up Azerbaijan, who expelled 1.6 million Armenians from their ancestral lands using Israeli-supplied weapons. Azerbaijan is one of Israel's best customers. And it's not like Israel didn't know what Azeris do with their weapons. Okay. Just the moralest.

Israel hates Armenians. They have a stupid genocide Olympics going on among themselves where Armenians are jealous they don’t get the reparations Jews got for the Holocaust .

Anti Semitism is also bigger in Christian Armenia than it is in Muslim Azerbaijan . The Armenian nickname for Jews is soap.
The truth is Israel is on the side of any Christian genocides from ISIS or Azerbaijan or others in the region . It’s no surprise they are arming Azerbaijan just like they armed ISIS as well.

The Orthodox Christians in the region are not like Evangelical Christians here. They do not like Israel

This poster is spot on. The dynamics seem weird at first glance (Israel supporting the Muslim Azerbaijani side) but, yes, it’s exactly how the PP says.

Why didn’t Saudis invade Israel with the Arabs in 1948 and 1973? They were secretly helping Israeli troops against the pro Russian leftist governments of Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt and Syrias president .

You've been getting se slightly suspect info.

1948 would have been about internal monarchical families machinations. The British gave Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Iraq to a set of brothers.

As for 1956, 1967, and 1973, it would be more accurate to call them the Nasser Wars since they weren't really about the Palestinians.

Nasser himself was famously non-aligned and one of the leaders of the Non-Aligned Movement. He played both Cold War sides off each other. The 1956 war was actually instigated by the British and French because he was threatening to nationalize the Suez Canal in order to pay for the Aswan High Dam. He had alternately tried to get the Americans and Soviets to pay for it but both had gotten tired of his games.

But Nasser wasn't only non-aligned he was more widely known as a staunch secular Arab nationalist that was seeking to unite the Arab world and abolish the monarchies. He had even convinced Syria and Yemen to join him in a United Arab Republic. Thus, Nasser was the biggest threat to Saudi Arabia.

Nasser was an existential and legitimate military threat to both the Israelis and Saudis. His explicit goal was to unite all Arab lands, including Palestine, and abolish the Islamic monarchies. But he failed because both his beliefs and his actions were flawed.

Heck the Arabs only invaded in 1973 to try and save face after the pantsing of 1967.

Frankly, it wasn't until the rise of the PLO following the wars that the Palestinians had any say in anything.

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

LOL funny you should bring up Azerbaijan, who expelled 1.6 million Armenians from their ancestral lands using Israeli-supplied weapons. Azerbaijan is one of Israel's best customers. And it's not like Israel didn't know what Azeris do with their weapons. Okay. Just the moralest.

Israel hates Armenians. They have a stupid genocide Olympics going on among themselves where Armenians are jealous they don’t get the reparations Jews got for the Holocaust .

Anti Semitism is also bigger in Christian Armenia than it is in Muslim Azerbaijan . The Armenian nickname for Jews is soap.
The truth is Israel is on the side of any Christian genocides from ISIS or Azerbaijan or others in the region . It’s no surprise they are arming Azerbaijan just like they armed ISIS as well.

The Orthodox Christians in the region are not like Evangelical Christians here. They do not like Israel

This poster is spot on. The dynamics seem weird at first glance (Israel supporting the Muslim Azerbaijani side) but, yes, it’s exactly how the PP says.

Why didn’t Saudis invade Israel with the Arabs in 1948 and 1973? They were secretly helping Israeli troops against the pro Russian leftist governments of Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt and Syrias president .

You've been getting se slightly suspect info.

1948 would have been about internal monarchical families machinations. The British gave Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Iraq to a set of brothers.

As for 1956, 1967, and 1973, it would be more accurate to call them the Nasser Wars since they weren't really about the Palestinians.

Nasser himself was famously non-aligned and one of the leaders of the Non-Aligned Movement. He played both Cold War sides off each other. The 1956 war was actually instigated by the British and French because he was threatening to nationalize the Suez Canal in order to pay for the Aswan High Dam. He had alternately tried to get the Americans and Soviets to pay for it but both had gotten tired of his games.

But Nasser wasn't only non-aligned he was more widely known as a staunch secular Arab nationalist that was seeking to unite the Arab world and abolish the monarchies. He had even convinced Syria and Yemen to join him in a United Arab Republic. Thus, Nasser was the biggest threat to Saudi Arabia.

Nasser was an existential and legitimate military threat to both the Israelis and Saudis. His explicit goal was to unite all Arab lands, including Palestine, and abolish the Islamic monarchies. But he failed because both his beliefs and his actions were flawed.

Heck the Arabs only invaded in 1973 to try and save face after the pantsing of 1967.

Frankly, it wasn't until the rise of the PLO following the wars that the Palestinians had any say in anything.

The PLO was a failure. They tried to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy and failed at a terrorist plot at the Olympics -none of their actions ever hurt Israel at all. Hamas is the only real formidable Palestinian government and army and Israel knows it too.


Yasser Arafat was never a fighter. He was an Egyptian born permanent politician and old school Arab loyalist. He told the Palestinians not to learn Hebrew because they would lose their Arab culture. Dumb move.

Hamas mandates Gazan kids learn Hebrew in primary school along with learning English. A Child in Gaza is learning Hebrew right now even in the camps. That may sound like not a big deal but it is. They have become what the Israeli army used to be: multilingual . Hamas doesn’t care about Pan Arabism or tribalism . They have made friends with Erdogan and Iran and don’t care what their “Arab brothers” have to say about it. Yasser Arafat and the PLO wasted years thinking Arabs would come to the Palestinians rescue lol. Hamas understands there’s no such thing as Arab solidarity or brotherhood and no Arab is going to invade Israel again to “save the Palestinians”. They will align with anybody (Putin, Iran, even fellow Israelis) to take down Israel. They really do not care

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We are complicit in the genocide in Gaza if we don't speak out about where are tax dollars are going.



I'm sure you're well aware that your tax dollars also go to Gaza. And in fact to Hamas. So you are complicit there as well.

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We are complicit in the genocide in Gaza if we don't speak out about where are tax dollars are going.



I'm sure you're well aware that your tax dollars also go to Gaza. And in fact to Hamas. So you are complicit there as well.

Cool story, bro.

So is the takeaway from your purposeful distraction of a post that we cannot take issue with funding Israel’s ongoing genocide of the indigenous Palestinians unless we also take issue with all other funding that doesn’t align with our values?

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We are complicit in the genocide in Gaza if we don't speak out about where are tax dollars are going.

I'm sure you're well aware that your tax dollars also go to Gaza. And in fact to Hamas. So you are complicit there as well.

The US has given the Palestinians billions over the years. And no doubt a chunk of that filtered its way into Hamas to buy weapons, build tunnels and so on. And now the US is at the forefront of trying to give the Palestinians aid, which again Hamas is trying to steal for itself.

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

Why don’t you make threads about it?

Deflection deflection deflection

Threads were made they don’t generate any interest at all. Because the lives of Armenians, Kurds, Afghans don’t matter unless there is Israel involved.

The US cares more about where our money is disproportionately going to compared to other nations and that’s fair for us to have more investment in where we have more investment

The ukraine thread is 473 pages and we spent billions there. The Gaza war thread is almost 2 thousand pages long. Interestingly the thread started on October 7th and was titled “looks like another Gaza war has started” instead of something like “Hamas terrorists infiltrate Israel and kill hundreds”

To be honest I think we should not be supportu g Ukraine with weapons. However, can’t you see the key difference?

In Ukraine we are supporting the country being attacked

In Gaza we are aiding a country to attack and starve others.

You remember how Hamas went into Israel and raped and murdered innocent civilians? Or how Hamas fired thousands and thousands of rockets into Israel, and continues to fire rockets into Israel?

So now maybe you can see how wrong your assertion that Israel is attacking and starving others is just flat out wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

Why don’t you make threads about it?

Deflection deflection deflection

Threads were made they don’t generate any interest at all. Because the lives of Armenians, Kurds, Afghans don’t matter unless there is Israel involved.

The US cares more about where our money is disproportionately going to compared to other nations and that’s fair for us to have more investment in where we have more investment

The ukraine thread is 473 pages and we spent billions there. The Gaza war thread is almost 2 thousand pages long. Interestingly the thread started on October 7th and was titled “looks like another Gaza war has started” instead of something like “Hamas terrorists infiltrate Israel and kill hundreds”

To be honest I think we should not be supportu g Ukraine with weapons. However, can’t you see the key difference?

In Ukraine we are supporting the country being attacked

In Gaza we are aiding a country to attack and starve others.

You remember how Hamas went into Israel and raped and murdered innocent civilians? Or how Hamas fired thousands and thousands of rockets into Israel, and continues to fire rockets into Israel?

So now maybe you can see how wrong your assertion that Israel is attacking and starving others is just flat out wrong.

Did your universe really begin on 10/7/2023?

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Yes, until every Hamas agent, supporter, or sympathizer is taken to Justice, Israel cannot be free and safe. Hamas’ primary goal is the complete and utter destruction of Israel and the eradication of Jewish society, not the “Freedom Fighters” that the leftist Nazis claim. Hamas does not care about the Palestinian people, as should be clear from the number of innocent civilians they have killed in this war (30k? 40k? We will not know for many more months unfortunately). Those who support genocide of the Jewish people must be brought to justice, whether that is through war, or through the Israeli court system, and by definition that includes Hamas fighters, supporters, collaborators, and sympathizers. Period. Until that occurs, Israel Conor be safe or free.

And I am not sure why you brought up Israeli settlers. Few, even in Israel, support the West Bank settlements, however what people support is that nonviolent Israelis should not face danger in their homes and in their farmland from Hamas militants.

Something will have to be done about the settlements, but to compare ultra-orthodox settlers who believe they can hold land in the West Bank to genocidal terrorists who pray daily for the death of all Jews globally is highly insulting.

What? Few in Israel support settlements? Where did half a million people who live in settlements come from? Were they brought there under duress? This is your lie #1.

Lie #2: there is no such thing as a nonviolent settler. Settler presence is an act of violence. Want to be nonviolent, go live in Tel Aviv.

Lie #3: settlers should not face danger in their homes. What? There is no entitlement to safety on occupied land. Are Russians entitled to safety in the Ukrainian lands they occupy? No? Yes?

Lie #4. "Ultra orthodox settlers who believe they can hold land in the West Bank." Hold land? Like, just hold? Didn't you mean, "intimidate, harass, maim, terrorize and expel Palestinians so we can hold their land"? You're saying this like this land is just out there waiting to be taken, and like there aren't actual people living on this land who won't leave without violence unleashed against them.

But I get it. You're a Zionist and you think Israeli suffering counts more. You also think that no matter what Israelis do in the West Bank, there should not ever be violent resistance to it. Okay. Just putting it out in the open.

“Lie” 1: Israel has a population of over 9 million. There are approximately 0.5 million settlers in the West Bank and Jerusalem. So yes, the majority of Israelis don’t live in settlements. And the majority of this Israelis do not support settlement, or support maintenance of existing settlements without expansion of settlements.

“Lie” 2: There are tons of no violent settlers. Nonviolent does not equal great. There are plenty of settlers who just want to live in what they believe is their home. They are nonviolent. They probably should not be living there, and they may generally support a bad practice, but that doesn’t give people the right to just attack them.

“Lie” 3: See “Lie” 2. The act of living somewhere where Israel has settled does not give neighbors the right to commit genocide against you. Nor does it just negate your right to defend yourself. The individual settlers aren’t the problem; it’s the process itself. You want to end the practice, instead of trying to murder each individual settler, try petitioning the government to end the practice.

“Lie” 4: Hold their land. I am strongly against Israeli settlement, and oppose settlers committing crimes against Palestinians. That is not the situation here. Based on all of the evidence, this is a case of Hamas sympathizers attacking a settler who defended himself. That is self defense, not attacking unprovoked, and the Courts themselves made that determination.

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

Why don’t you make threads about it?

Deflection deflection deflection

Threads were made they don’t generate any interest at all. Because the lives of Armenians, Kurds, Afghans don’t matter unless there is Israel involved.

The US cares more about where our money is disproportionately going to compared to other nations and that’s fair for us to have more investment in where we have more investment

The ukraine thread is 473 pages and we spent billions there. The Gaza war thread is almost 2 thousand pages long. Interestingly the thread started on October 7th and was titled “looks like another Gaza war has started” instead of something like “Hamas terrorists infiltrate Israel and kill hundreds”

To be honest I think we should not be supportu g Ukraine with weapons. However, can’t you see the key difference?

In Ukraine we are supporting the country being attacked

In Gaza we are aiding a country to attack and starve others.

You remember how Hamas went into Israel and raped and murdered innocent civilians? Or how Hamas fired thousands and thousands of rockets into Israel, and continues to fire rockets into Israel?

So now maybe you can see how wrong your assertion that Israel is attacking and starving others is just flat out wrong.

Did your universe really begin on 10/7/2023?

You want to play this game. You remember in the 1940s when the Israelis agreed to a plan that would have established two independent states, and almost immediately the Palestinians deciding to reject the plan and attacked the new Israeli state?

This has played out time and time again. And each time the international community just decides the Israelis are evil.

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We are complicit in the genocide in Gaza if we don't speak out about where are tax dollars are going.

I'm sure you're well aware that your tax dollars also go to Gaza. And in fact to Hamas. So you are complicit there as well.

The US has given the Palestinians billions over the years. And no doubt a chunk of that filtered its way into Hamas to buy weapons, build tunnels and so on. And now the US is at the forefront of trying to give the Palestinians aid, which again Hamas is trying to steal for itself.

Unlike the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in the West Bank, Hamas is designated as a terrorist entity, so the United States and the EU do not provide any assistance to Hamas. Israel has allowed Qatar to give hundreds of millions of dollars in aid through Hamas. Iran also provides around $100 million annually to Hamas and other Palestinian groups.