Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

Why don’t you make threads about it?

Deflection deflection deflection

Threads were made they don’t generate any interest at all. Because the lives of Armenians, Kurds, Afghans don’t matter unless there is Israel involved.

The US cares more about where our money is disproportionately going to compared to other nations and that’s fair for us to have more investment in where we have more investment

The ukraine thread is 473 pages and we spent billions there. The Gaza war thread is almost 2 thousand pages long. Interestingly the thread started on October 7th and was titled “looks like another Gaza war has started” instead of something like “Hamas terrorists infiltrate Israel and kill hundreds”

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Problem with helping Kurds is that NATO member Turkey is against it.

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Anonymous wrote:Problem with helping Kurds is that NATO member Turkey is against it.

between its stance on the Kurds and support for Hamas, Erdogan's Turkey should be kicked out of NATO.

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The Jews have killed so many Palestinian kids, including by starving many to death. I don’t know how so many American Jews live with themselves for supporting and defending the “Jewish state” that has massacred so many, but at least the rest of the world is expressing its revulsion at these utterly despicable child killers.

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Anonymous wrote:The Jews have killed so many Palestinian kids, including by starving many to death. I don’t know how so many American Jews live with themselves for supporting and defending the “Jewish state” that has massacred so many, but at least the rest of the world is expressing its revulsion at these utterly despicable child killers.

I don’t know how you live with yourself when your ilk invades Israel and rapes, beheads, and murders innocent civilians .

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Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Turkey, Syria, Colonial America, and on and on. OF COURSE the Zionists will refuse to address their own toxic, malignant conduct and instead change the subject by pointing to the authors of other injustices to distract from their own sins.

Whataboutism 101

Just imagine committing a heinous, vicious crime and getting hauled before a court, where your defense is “Well, other people did some stuff, too!” - and now imagine using that same lousy defense after committing 100+ years of heinous, vicious crimes.

1. None of those other countries are welfare reliant on the U.S. to fund their evil deeds

2. None of those other countries are held above international law through the repeated meddling of the U.S. in votes of accountability at the United Nations

3. None of those other countries are primarily populated (and always led) by immigrants from Eastern Europe who have committed 100+ years of sustained genocide against the indigenous population

Just Israel and Israel’s supporters.

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

Why don’t you make threads about it?

Deflection deflection deflection

Threads were made they don’t generate any interest at all. Because the lives of Armenians, Kurds, Afghans don’t matter unless there is Israel involved.

The US cares more about where our money is disproportionately going to compared to other nations and that’s fair for us to have more investment in where we have more investment

The ukraine thread is 473 pages and we spent billions there. The Gaza war thread is almost 2 thousand pages long. Interestingly the thread started on October 7th and was titled “looks like another Gaza war has started” instead of something like “Hamas terrorists infiltrate Israel and kill hundreds”

I was on that initial thread and the bias was overwhelmingly against Hamas and pro Israel for the first few days post 10/7 especially due to the gruesome details we were hearing about babies beheaded, on the clothesline, and baked in ovens.

You’re implying the pro Palestinian bias was baked in from the beginning but that isn’t true. Anyone who wasn’t living under a rock knew about what Hamas did and the country was rattled and shaken by it to the point Biden repeated gruesome details that led a man to kill a Palestinian American kid in Chicago that following Saturday.

The pendulum didn’t swing until days or weeks later when Ben Shapiro got flagged for posting a burned baby that was fake /AI and Netanyahu denied the beheaded baby gate.

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Anonymous wrote:From May 2023

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-742066

Jerusalem's Holocaust survivors struggle to survive poverty, hunger

There are close to 10,000 Holocaust survivors living in Jerusalem. Do they go hungry? If so, who is responsible for that shameful situation?

Every year, the ritual repeats itself: Large ads call on the public to donate to organizations that support Holocaust survivors, who must make the excruciating choice between food or medication.
Usually, the ads, often appearing around Holocaust Remembrance Day, are accompanied by poignant pictures of the faces of survivors, who look hungry, exhausted and on the verge of despair. The ads’ underlying message is that the state ignores the dwindling numbers of Holocaust survivors, and that in addition to their abject poverty, they suffer from severe loneliness.

Did you actually read the article? If yes, you have issues with reading comprehension. If no, then you will post whatever just to dump on Israel.

Dumping on Netanyahu is not dumping on Israel. I am actually taking the side of the Israelis namely the Holocaust survivors . They should’ve been given the resources by Bibi that they needed not Hamas or ISIS.

Netanyahu’s form of politics has failed Israel and he is not fit for primetime . He can’t lead an army and that’s why he brought Benny Gatz his rival to his war cabinet. Netanyahu doesn’t have the depth to lead fish to water

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Yes, until every Hamas agent, supporter, or sympathizer is taken to Justice, Israel cannot be free and safe. Hamas’ primary goal is the complete and utter destruction of Israel and the eradication of Jewish society, not the “Freedom Fighters” that the leftist Nazis claim. Hamas does not care about the Palestinian people, as should be clear from the number of innocent civilians they have killed in this war (30k? 40k? We will not know for many more months unfortunately). Those who support genocide of the Jewish people must be brought to justice, whether that is through war, or through the Israeli court system, and by definition that includes Hamas fighters, supporters, collaborators, and sympathizers. Period. Until that occurs, Israel Conor be safe or free.

And I am not sure why you brought up Israeli settlers. Few, even in Israel, support the West Bank settlements, however what people support is that nonviolent Israelis should not face danger in their homes and in their farmland from Hamas militants.

Something will have to be done about the settlements, but to compare ultra-orthodox settlers who believe they can hold land in the West Bank to genocidal terrorists who pray daily for the death of all Jews globally is highly insulting.

What? Few in Israel support settlements? Where did half a million people who live in settlements come from? Were they brought there under duress? This is your lie #1.

Lie #2: there is no such thing as a nonviolent settler. Settler presence is an act of violence. Want to be nonviolent, go live in Tel Aviv.

Lie #3: settlers should not face danger in their homes. What? There is no entitlement to safety on occupied land. Are Russians entitled to safety in the Ukrainian lands they occupy? No? Yes?

Lie #4. "Ultra orthodox settlers who believe they can hold land in the West Bank." Hold land? Like, just hold? Didn't you mean, "intimidate, harass, maim, terrorize and expel Palestinians so we can hold their land"? You're saying this like this land is just out there waiting to be taken, and like there aren't actual people living on this land who won't leave without violence unleashed against them.

But I get it. You're a Zionist and you think Israeli suffering counts more. You also think that no matter what Israelis do in the West Bank, there should not ever be violent resistance to it. Okay. Just putting it out in the open.

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Anonymous wrote:Then settlers rewrote the story. In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.” The harvest around Israeli settlements had to be stopped, he said, because it was “being used as a platform for terrorism.” Settlers later shared an image from Saleh’s funeral, in which his brother, Hisham, is waving a Hamas flag. Shortly afterward, Israeli police arrested Hisham. Polls show that support for Hamas in the West Bank, where dissatisfaction with the Palestinian Authority is widespread, has risen from twelve per cent to forty-four per cent in recent months. Seventy-two per cent of Palestinians polled also said that they thought the October 7th attack was “correct.” (Ninety-four per cent of Israelis think that the I.D.F. is using either an appropriate or an insufficient amount of force in Gaza.)

We don’t have any hope,” Bilal’s cousin Hazem Saleh told me. He pointed toward some new houses in the village. Their owners didn’t intend for them “to be demolished or bombed,” he said. “They are not calling for fighting, or killing, or war. But when they are afraid to go out, when they don’t have the minimum standard of living, when they are pressured, their reaction will be the same as the action.”

Hisham Saleh spent three months in jail, without charges, for waving the Hamas flag. The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

Rom said that, to his knowledge, no other settlers had faced charges since October 7th. Settler violence was “fake news,” he said.

Saleh’s shooter was back in the Army, so I visited one of his neighbors, a forty-six-year-old woman named Reuma Harari. At the gate of Rehelim, soldiers took my passport, then security escorted me to Harari’s house. Her back yard was a suburban idyll: a swing set on an AstroTurf lawn, an oak tree, a small dog; Tel Aviv was only forty minutes away, if the traffic was light. She offered me a seat under an olive tree. “Ironic,” she said, chuckling.

They literally have a video of this guy’s brother waving a Hamas flag, and you wonder why this happened?

Who do we believe here, the Israeli government, and peaceful civilians whose sole crime was moving to a new home, or the family of a dead man who clearly was, at the very least, loosely affiliated with Hamas, an organization’s whose primary goal is the eradication of Jews in Israel. It really should not be a hard decision, and yet American leftist neon axis seem to struggle with it.

Yes because a farmer who carried a donkey through town to harvest on Saturday morning to avoid the Zionist KKK is a Hamas operative right? This is your excuse?

Maybe he wore it at his brothers funeral for the same reason you’re defending the death of a farmer : anger and retribution .

Two things are illegal in the West Bank : settlements and Hamas in the West Bank and guess what? The rise in one is causing the rise of the other. Do you think any settlers would even think of even moving to the West Bank if Hamas was well and alive and farmers like this guy were militants?

Let’s use that brain . God may promise land but I see he doesn’t promise sense

There are two sides to every story. The Palestinians claimed that the farmer was just minding his business, going back to pick up his phone from his field when he was brutally killed for absolutely no reason by the evil Jewish people.

The Israelis claim that the farmer and Hamas militant was part of a group of Hamas agents that violently attacked a group of settlers, and was killed in self defense as a result.

The question is which story do you believe, because obviously both stories cannot be true, so let us look at the established facts;

1) The Israeli soldier who shot the farmer was arrested following the incident, in accordance with Israeli Law;

2) Following a quick court proceeding, an Israeli judge found that the shooting was clearly in self defense, and ordered the release of the soldier; and

3) The farmer’s brother was videotaped praising Hamas and supporting Hamas following the incident, demonstrating that he and his family were likely supporters of Hamas’ genocide, and would potentially have been part of a local effort to kill Israelis.

So, while there are two stories, the only story that matches up with the facts of the case is the one given by Israel; Saleh was a part of a group of pro-Hamas militants who took the opportunity to violently ambush a group of Israeli civilians, and ended up being shot and killed by an IDF soldier on leave who was a part of this group.

This is backed up by the fact that a literal court of law, after reviewing all of the available evidence, determined this was the case, and is backed up by the victims’ family’s clear support of Hamas.

He was gathering olives with his family, had received death threats from the "settlers" and was shot and killed by a group of "settlers" while unarmed and on his own land.

It's pretty disgusting that you're trying to justify it.

That is what happened ACCORDING TO HIS FAMILY.

According to the Israeli Court, he was part of a mob that ambushed a group of settlers, and was killed by an off-duty IDF soldier in self defense.

Your argument is that we should believe a group of Hamas supporters (who are mourning) over a literal COURT OF LAW. Sorry, most of us will tend to believe the Court of Law over the words of people who want to see every single Jewish individual brutally killed.

Link to his family saying this? His brother was arrested for wearing a Hamas flag at Bilals funeral. There’s nothing I’ve seen that says the settler shot in self defense. The farmers were picking olives .

Read the article.

His Hamas-supporting family is the only people claiming he was so innocently killed while peacefully picking olives.

The Israeli authorities were the ones who provided the details of the incident:

In a statement, Yossi Dagan, the head of the settlers’ regional council whose area of authority includes Rehelim, said that a combat soldier on leave had been “attacked by tens of Hamasniks.”

Based on the article, again, the soldier was promptly arrested in response to the shooting, however the Israeli Courts found that the shooting was in self defense, presumably due to Saleh (and others) violently attacking them:

The settler who shot Bilal was arrested, and released a few days later. “We are happy that the court decided from the beginning that that was self-defense,” his lawyer, Nati Rom, told me. The judge had cited the events of October 7th, writing, “The vigilance to which we are commanded by the blood of our brothers and sisters who fell for the sanctity of the land and the defense of the homeland is a real obligation.”

So, to summarize, you are making the argument that we should be taking the word of this guy’s family, including his Hamas-linked brother, over an Israeli court which found, pretty clearly, that he was not ‘just picking olives’ but rather violently attacking settlers necessitating self defense.

LOL you say "israeli court" like it means anything. Israeli law privileges Israelis. Conviction rates on settler violence is 3% and that's not because 97% are innocent. It's because Israeli courts don't really see violence against Palestinians as a crime.

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

LOL funny you should bring up Azerbaijan, who expelled 1.6 million Armenians from their ancestral lands using Israeli-supplied weapons. Azerbaijan is one of Israel's best customers. And it's not like Israel didn't know what Azeris do with their weapons. Okay. Just the moralest.

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

LOL funny you should bring up Azerbaijan, who expelled 1.6 million Armenians from their ancestral lands using Israeli-supplied weapons. Azerbaijan is one of Israel's best customers. And it's not like Israel didn't know what Azeris do with their weapons. Okay. Just the moralest.

Israel hates Armenians. They have a stupid genocide Olympics going on among themselves where Armenians are jealous they don’t get the reparations Jews got for the Holocaust .

Anti Semitism is also bigger in Christian Armenia than it is in Muslim Azerbaijan . The Armenian nickname for Jews is soap.
The truth is Israel is on the side of any Christian genocides from ISIS or Azerbaijan or others in the region . It’s no surprise they are arming Azerbaijan just like they armed ISIS as well.

The Orthodox Christians in the region are not like Evangelical Christians here. They do not like Israel

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

LOL funny you should bring up Azerbaijan, who expelled 1.6 million Armenians from their ancestral lands using Israeli-supplied weapons. Azerbaijan is one of Israel's best customers. And it's not like Israel didn't know what Azeris do with their weapons. Okay. Just the moralest.

Also ironic because the original Zionists approached the Ottomans suggesting that letting them settle in Palestine might be a good pr move to counter the bad press from the Armenian Genocide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

LOL funny you should bring up Azerbaijan, who expelled 1.6 million Armenians from their ancestral lands using Israeli-supplied weapons. Azerbaijan is one of Israel's best customers. And it's not like Israel didn't know what Azeris do with their weapons. Okay. Just the moralest.

Israel hates Armenians. They have a stupid genocide Olympics going on among themselves where Armenians are jealous they don’t get the reparations Jews got for the Holocaust .

Anti Semitism is also bigger in Christian Armenia than it is in Muslim Azerbaijan . The Armenian nickname for Jews is soap.
The truth is Israel is on the side of any Christian genocides from ISIS or Azerbaijan or others in the region . It’s no surprise they are arming Azerbaijan just like they armed ISIS as well.

The Orthodox Christians in the region are not like Evangelical Christians here. They do not like Israel

This poster is spot on. The dynamics seem weird at first glance (Israel supporting the Muslim Azerbaijani side) but, yes, it’s exactly how the PP says.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The first time that Ma’amar witnessed settler violence was in 1996. It was in the wake of the first election to Prime Minister of Benjamin Netanyahu, who was intent on blocking any progress toward a two-state solution. Shilo took even more land from Qaryut, to make a vineyard. The village staged a protest, which Ma’amar filmed. The Army and settlers rushed in, firing shots into the air, and settlers beat people and tried to take cameras from anyone documenting the scene. An Israeli court ruled that the land should be returned to Qaryut, but Ma’amar said that settlers continued to attack people who approached, so the land was effectively lost.

In the years that followed, settlers put up tents, then mobile homes, on hilltops. Settlements are mostly considered illegal under international law, but these outposts were illegal even under Israeli law. Still, the government did little to dissuade the hilltop settlers, who viewed themselves as pioneers. The outposts were quickly connected to larger settlements by water systems, power lines, and paved roads. In time, a corridor of settlement took shape, slicing across the West Bank until the map looked more and more like the one envisioned by many settlers and political leaders, in which Palestinians would live in small and disconnected territories within an expanded Israel. Qaryut sat right in the corridor’s path; there were now eight official settlements and at least eleven smaller outposts in a five-mile radius of the village. “Without international and legal pressure on the Israelis, Qaryut will disappear,” Ma’amar said.

In November, 2022, Netanyahu won reëlection for the sixth time. To form a governing coalition, he allied with leaders of far-right parties, including Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who advocate for annexing the West Bank. Since then, the situation there has grown dramatically worse. In the first nine months of 2023, Ma’amar filed about seventy police reports of settler violence. In February, while he was driving an ambulance to pick up people injured in an attack, settlers smashed his windows and tried to burn the vehicle. In June, Palestinian gunmen killed four settlers near Eli; the next day, hundreds of settlers descended on Turmus Aya, a nearby village, shooting residents and burning cars and houses, some with people inside. By September, 2023, the United Nations was documenting around three settler-related incidents each day, the highest since it had started tracking the trend, in 2006, and eleven hundred Palestinians in the West Bank had been displaced.

Since October 7th, when Hamas-led fighters broke through the fence on Gaza’s border with Israel and killed some twelve hundred people and took some two hundred and fifty hostages, attacks near Qaryut have become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, damaged electricity networks, seized farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people in their fields and olive groves, and killed, all without repercussion. Ma’amar told me that a thousand acres had been cut off from Qaryut. The U.N. has recorded five hundred and seventy-three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since the war began, with Israeli forces accompanying them half the time. At least nine people have been killed by settlers, and three hundred and eighty-two have been killed by Israeli forces. Five Israelis have been killed in the West Bank, at least one of whom was a civilian.

On October 9th, settlers sent a picture on Facebook to people in Qusra, a few miles from Qaryut, of masked men holding axes, clubs, a gas can, and a chainsaw, with text that read, “To all the rats in the sewers of Qusra village, we are waiting for you and we will not feel sorry for you. The day of revenge is coming.” Two days later, at the edge of the village, settlers lit utility poles on fire and tried to break into a house. For a half hour, a family huddled inside; then young men from the village arrived and threw rocks at the Israelis. Ma’amar drove over in his ambulance. At that point, the settlers started shooting. A man handed Ma’amar a six-year-old girl who had been shot. As the man walked away, he was shot and killed. When Ma’amar sped off, he said, settlers fired on his ambulance. Three Palestinians were killed, one of them the son of a man who had been killed by settlers in 2017. Then the Israeli Army stormed the village and killed a thirteen-year-old boy.

The next day, Hani Odeh, the mayor of Qusra, arranged for a procession to transport the bodies from the hospital to the village. Ma’amar took one of them in his ambulance. The I.D.F. dictated the route, then directed mourners to change course to avoid settlers. But dozens of settlers blocked the road and stoned the procession anyway. “I got out and talked to the Israeli commander, begging him to make the settlers leave,” Odeh said. “He told me to turn around.” The settlers killed a sixty-two-year-old man and his twenty-five-year-old son.

They can’t just continue to unleash the settlers on us like that,” Odeh told me. “My generation has always tried to reason with our youth, but they can no longer take it, so what am I to do? People like me, who advocated for peace their whole lives—we are not respected anymore. They say what did Abu Mazen”—Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority—“ever do for us? And they’re right. He keeps asking people to protest peacefully. Peacefully? There’s nothing peaceful about the situation we’re in.”

Reading this, and thinking back on how so many try to label criticism of Israel as inherently “anti-semitic” or to blame hostility toward Israelis as unfair, born of some innate hatred of Jews, etc. …

No. THIS and so many similar situations that Israel engages in every day is why there is hostility toward Israel today, and toward supporters of Israel today. This isn’t about all Jewish people. This is about toxic, malignant Zionism.

Many Jewish people agree with you and are absolutely sickened by Israel's atrocities. This makes it quite clear that you are right. There is nothing antisemitic about standing up against, as you say, "toxic, malignant Zionism." It is the "toxic, malignant Zionists" who try to throw up a smokescreen by screaming about "antisemitism" when anyone draws attention to Israel's war crimes and unacceptable behavior. People are fed up with this cheap and underhanded trick.

Azerbaijan demanded yesterday that Armenia gives up 4 villages immediately. This is after expelling 1.6 million Armenians in September. Where are the threads, the protests, the condemnation of toxic, malignant Azerbaijanism? No? Nothing? Pakistan is expelling its 20 million Afghan refugees and leveling their refugee camps? Still no condemnation of toxic malignant Pakistanianism? Muslim countries can do whatever? We only have condemnation for the one Jewish country?

LOL funny you should bring up Azerbaijan, who expelled 1.6 million Armenians from their ancestral lands using Israeli-supplied weapons. Azerbaijan is one of Israel's best customers. And it's not like Israel didn't know what Azeris do with their weapons. Okay. Just the moralest.

Israel hates Armenians. They have a stupid genocide Olympics going on among themselves where Armenians are jealous they don’t get the reparations Jews got for the Holocaust .

Anti Semitism is also bigger in Christian Armenia than it is in Muslim Azerbaijan . The Armenian nickname for Jews is soap.
The truth is Israel is on the side of any Christian genocides from ISIS or Azerbaijan or others in the region . It’s no surprise they are arming Azerbaijan just like they armed ISIS as well.

The Orthodox Christians in the region are not like Evangelical Christians here. They do not like Israel

This poster is spot on. The dynamics seem weird at first glance (Israel supporting the Muslim Azerbaijani side) but, yes, it’s exactly how the PP says.

The jihadis or other right wing Muslim armed radicals are essentially the incels of Muslim society. They were the ones who weren’t invited to the cool kids parties or lunch tables. How they got all this power is largely due to many factors but US , Saudi, and Israel bankrolling them have much to do with it. The US has stopped and now Russia has flipped places and is bankrolling terrorists. US largely did it to avoid leftist pro Russian /socialist governments as part of the tragic containment policy during the Cold War and it also ruined Latin America with right wing gangs/militias/governments with high kill rates as well but sans the religion .

Israel does it because it’s a way to make sure they are the only reasonable looking country and democracy in the region and they can say “see look those bad Muslim guys are crazy and want to hurt us! we need more funding , USA, for counterterrorism “.

The Middle East would look much better today if Saudi Arabia and Israel weren’t allowed to become the two religious ethnostate superpowers of the region. America really thinks it’s doing something with the “deal”. Israel and Saudi have long been secret friends.

Why didn’t Saudis invade Israel with the Arabs in 1948 and 1973? They were secretly helping Israeli troops against the pro Russian leftist governments of Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt and Syrias president .