Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

[Anonymous]

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Am humbled by George Floyd’s brothers thanking God.
With God, we can all heal.

What I don’t get about that is that people like that never bring up God when they get what they DIDN’T want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m worried about Chauvin’s safety in prison. I can’t imagine what he’s feeling tonight. (K, flame me for sympathy for the devil, whatever. I like to look at things from the other side.)

Eric Nelson looked close to tears after the verdict—his glasses were even a little foggy. I can’t imagine what he feels either.

Well, whatever either of them are "feeling," it's more than George Floyd is.

As for me, if something happens to Chauvin in prison, remind me to GAF about 9 minutes in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Am humbled by George Floyd’s brothers thanking God.
With God, we can all heal.

What I don’t get about that is that people like that never bring up God when they get what they DIDN’T want.

Cognitive dissonance.

I'm happy for this verdict and hopeful for change.

But any time people attach God to anything like this is weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Am humbled by George Floyd’s brothers thanking God.
With God, we can all heal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m worried about Chauvin’s safety in prison. I can’t imagine what he’s feeling tonight. (K, flame me for sympathy for the devil, whatever. I like to look at things from the other side.)

Eric Nelson looked close to tears after the verdict—his glasses were even a little foggy. I can’t imagine what he feels either.

Well, whatever either of them are "feeling," it's more than George Floyd is.

As for me, if something happens to Chauvin in prison, remind me to GAF about 9 minutes in.

Hopefully he is feeling REGRET and REMORSE for killing a defenseless man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m worried about Chauvin’s safety in prison. I can’t imagine what he’s feeling tonight. (K, flame me for sympathy for the devil, whatever. I like to look at things from the other side.)

Eric Nelson looked close to tears after the verdict—his glasses were even a little foggy. I can’t imagine what he feels either.

Well, whatever either of them are "feeling," it's more than George Floyd is.

As for me, if something happens to Chauvin in prison, remind me to GAF about 9 minutes in.

Violent much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m worried about Chauvin’s safety in prison. I can’t imagine what he’s feeling tonight. (K, flame me for sympathy for the devil, whatever. I like to look at things from the other side.)

Eric Nelson looked close to tears after the verdict—his glasses were even a little foggy. I can’t imagine what he feels either.

Cops get protective custody on the rare occasions they get prison. They also get all the perks and privileges from their corrections officer friends inside. As many bad cops as there are, there are just as many bad corrections officers and their atrocities rarely make the news.

When I was watching the verdict read I felt bad for Chauvin too - I can’t help it, I’m an empath. I could tell by the way his eyes were moving and widening that he was distressed and trying to control his emotions. Cops DO fear prison, even though they rarely go and get PC inside.

His shock at being convicted reveals something about what’s in his heart and his worldview. Until that changes, nothing he has to say is anything I want to hear. We all saw it with our own eyes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait, this is the first night Chauvin will spend in prison? Was that the first time he was hand-cuffed?

He should have been well prepared to go directly to jail.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m worried about Chauvin’s safety in prison. I can’t imagine what he’s feeling tonight. (K, flame me for sympathy for the devil, whatever. I like to look at things from the other side.)

Eric Nelson looked close to tears after the verdict—his glasses were even a little foggy. I can’t imagine what he feels either.

Well, whatever either of them are "feeling," it's more than George Floyd is.

As for me, if something happens to Chauvin in prison, remind me to GAF about 9 minutes in.

Violent much?

There's nothing violent about that post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wait, this is the first night Chauvin will spend in prison? Was that the first time he was hand-cuffed?

He should have been well prepared to go directly to jail.

No, he was in jail briefly after his arrest until he made bail.

I suspect some part of him was never prepared for conviction. A lot of cops truly believe they are above the law and the minuscule number of cops who have ever been prosecuted or convicted for on the job excesses of force is why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time a cop was found guilty of murder for killing someone who was resisting arrest? Ever?

The prosection did an excellent job. Even still, they never convict in these cases. Except this one.

The ACLU said this is the first time in Minnesota state history that a white police officer has been held accountable for killing a Black man.

And Ari Melber at MSNBC tweeted that from 2005 to 2015, across thousands of police killings, the number of police officers convicted of murder for shooting a person was zero.

How many of those “thousands” of police killings were white? Did Ari say?

It actually doesn’t matter - this is a step forward in holding police accountable for their terrible behavior, regardless of who it is toward. If they can get away with doing it to anyone, they will do it to everyone. This is a (small) step in curbing the reckless behavior some police exhibit.

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If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

I had exactly the same jury experience—no law, just people’s baggage. If you’re innocent, ALWAYS go for bench trial.

As if judges aren't biased.

They absolutely are biased, I have experienced it myself.

They are, for sure. But the jurors often take things out of context, don't understand the law or burden of proof. The standards are confusing for jurors and they get it wrong a lot. So which is the lesser of two evils? As an attorney, I've had this conversation with crim atty friends and DAs a lot. Most of my DA friends from law school would go with bench trial 9 times of out 10. Juror trials need to be reformed entirely.

Listen, you are quoting me. Experienced first hand how unjust our "justice" system is. State prosecutors are not in it for justice or truth which was a HUGE dose of reality for me. They are in it to win and to prove a theory right, regardless of the truth. My whole life I thought that if the State was prosecuting then they must be right. I can't blame the jury one bit. They follow the instructions, are told they have to come to a verdict no matter what, by biased judges. Try being a POC in the system in Maryland, Montgomery County and you will be screwed over. Just the way the judge glares at you and smiles at the State, of course you take your chances with a jury.

NP. I totally agree. My first job out of law school was as an Assistant State Attorney. I did not last very long because I was in it for the wrong reason. I was in because I believed the crap about justice. Others were in it for stats and convictions, regardless of the defendant's innocence. I left for a career in civil litigation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time a cop was found guilty of murder for killing someone who was resisting arrest? Ever?

The prosection did an excellent job. Even still, they never convict in these cases. Except this one.

The ACLU said this is the first time in Minnesota state history that a white police officer has been held accountable for killing a Black man.

And Ari Melber at MSNBC tweeted that from 2005 to 2015, across thousands of police killings, the number of police officers convicted of murder for shooting a person was zero.

Why doesn’t he care about one single one of the white men that cops killed?

Oh wow — you got it! None of us actually care when white people get killed by the cops. We *only* care when black people get killed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time a cop was found guilty of murder for killing someone who was resisting arrest? Ever?

The prosection did an excellent job. Even still, they never convict in these cases. Except this one.

The ACLU said this is the first time in Minnesota state history that a white police officer has been held accountable for killing a Black man.

And Ari Melber at MSNBC tweeted that from 2005 to 2015, across thousands of police killings, the number of police officers convicted of murder for shooting a person was zero.

Why doesn’t he care about one single one of the white men that cops killed?

“Thousands of police killings” doesn’t distinguish what color the victims are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When was the last time a cop was found guilty of murder for killing someone who was resisting arrest? Ever?

The prosection did an excellent job. Even still, they never convict in these cases. Except this one.

The ACLU said this is the first time in Minnesota state history that a white police officer has been held accountable for killing a Black man.

And Ari Melber at MSNBC tweeted that from 2005 to 2015, across thousands of police killings, the number of police officers convicted of murder for shooting a person was zero.

Why doesn’t he care about one single one of the white men that cops killed?

Why don’t you care that many of those victims are white?