The Karen meme silences White women

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Anonymous wrote:Posters do you understand there are trolls on here? That any douche nozzle can come in and make digs at either side just to keep this divisive stuff going? Is this a troll fighting a troll? Why does anyone engage with trolls? Two posters are so busy with I know you are but what am I, I can’t tell who is for and who is against the meme. Why even keep at it? Make your point and move on. You won’t persuade everyone and the people who continue to wage war are trying to get a rise out of you. You’re handing it to them.

My view: Karen is unquestionably misogynistic. I don’t like when anyone uses it. IRL the users are almost always men and of those men, a majority are white.These are facts. Another fact is that white incels are all over these boards. Stop rising to the bait.

White women try to shift any criticism of them onto “white males” and “incels,” but the white woman victimhood stereotype was already universally recognized. It didn’t start with the “Karen” meme. It’s been around for a long time.

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No. Karen has never been about white women’s victimhood. It’s always been about shutting down a woman of any race who gets out of line. That’s how social media has always used it. Trying to redefine it, as part of some sort of retaliation for racism, doesn’t work for this reason. Call a white woman who’s a racist just that. But don’t try to redefine a meme that everybody else has always used to shut white women down.

Anyone who has worked in customer service or retail jobs, whether they are male, female, black, white, etc. has had to deal with Karens on a daily basis. The most difficult and demanding customers are usually entitled middle-aged white women. That’s where the stereotype comes from. It’s has nothing to do with men trying to “shut women up.” That’s just you pretending to not understand and, yet again, play the victim.

I have worked in customer service and I would never categorically say women are the worst offenders. That is so SEXIST.

I would! I’ve worked in retail, restaurants, office setting and school setting. White women hands down were the absolute worst in every setting. White men came next.

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No. You're not going to police my language. I will call them racists, I will call them jerks, I will call them entitled, and if I feel like, I will also call the Karen. The fact that you think you can control the language of other people is exactly why the meme exists. Your sphere of influence does not extend to what I do or say.

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Top pp, why are you making common cause with conservative white men and women over the need to use an offensive meme to shut up white women?

1) I don't care about offending you. I believe white people could stand to be a little more uncomfortable.

2) This is an anonymous forum. Just because you all decided posters were conservative, men, etc. because that made you feel better about trying to shout them down, doesn't make it true.

None of these posters has denied being conservative.

You're going to lose a lot of allies if you keep up with this hostile, retaliatory sh!t.

Classic.

“After all I’ve done for you people...”

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Anonymous wrote:In all fairness, some white women need to STFU.

-white woman

So do some white men, POC women, and POC men.

Lose the sexist language and call them loudmouths, bullies, jerks or racists.

OMG have you ever been wrong in your whole life? Cannot believe you are still at this!

Pot, meet kettle.

There are several of us. As long as you're here spreading misogyny, we'll be here to correct it. This con thing of always having to get in the last word is going to work against you here.

Imagine if you put that energy toward something worthwhile, like, idk...standing for people who are ACTUALLY oppressed. Wackjob

Until I get the paid the same as a man for doing the same job, until 50% of all corporate boards are women, I think this is a worthwhile cause.

I'm a black woman and I'm all for that goal. I just don't think 60 pages of arguing about an internet meme is helping your cause. I also hope that when you picture that board with its gender balance, that you also see it filled with people of different races, sexualities, and different backgrounds - because the chip a lot of women of color have on their shoulders in regard to white women is your tendency to get yours and forget the rest of us, or worse, to get yours at the expense of ours. That is where Karen comes from, and if you don’t like her, take a look around and stop putting it entirely on others to end her.

DP. I'm with you on the multi-racial poster board of gender balance.

Call the white women who do this entitled racists. Just don't call them Karens, because that's used to shame any woman (not necessarily white, apparently) whose behavior (not necessarily racist, more likely anodyne) someone doesn't like.

No. You're not going to police my language. I will call them racists, I will call them jerks, I will call them entitled, and if I feel like, I will also call the Karen. The fact that you think you can control the language of other people is exactly why the meme exists. Your sphere of influence does not extend to what I do or say.

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Well then FU for perpetuating a misogynistic meme.

I'll continue to support your cause.

“Your” cause.

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No. You're not going to police my language. I will call them racists, I will call them jerks, I will call them entitled, and if I feel like, I will also call the Karen. The fact that you think you can control the language of other people is exactly why the meme exists. Your sphere of influence does not extend to what I do or say.

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Top pp, why are you making common cause with conservative white men and women over the need to use an offensive meme to shut up white women?

1) I don't care about offending you. I believe white people could stand to be a little more uncomfortable.

2) This is an anonymous forum. Just because you all decided posters were conservative, men, etc. because that made you feel better about trying to shout them down, doesn't make it true.

None of these posters has denied being conservative.

You're going to lose a lot of allies if you keep up with this hostile, retaliatory sh!t.

Classic.

“After all I’ve done for you people...”

Classic.
"Gimme me all you have and go away...."

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No. You're not going to police my language. I will call them racists, I will call them jerks, I will call them entitled, and if I feel like, I will also call the Karen. The fact that you think you can control the language of other people is exactly why the meme exists. Your sphere of influence does not extend to what I do or say.

+1

Top pp, why are you making common cause with conservative white men and women over the need to use an offensive meme to shut up white women?

1) I don't care about offending you. I believe white people could stand to be a little more uncomfortable.

2) This is an anonymous forum. Just because you all decided posters were conservative, men, etc. because that made you feel better about trying to shout them down, doesn't make it true.

None of these posters has denied being conservative.

You're going to lose a lot of allies if you keep up with this hostile, retaliatory sh!t.

Classic.

“After all I’ve done for you people...”

Classic.
"Gimme me all your people stole and go away...."

FTFY

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No. You're not going to police my language. I will call them racists, I will call them jerks, I will call them entitled, and if I feel like, I will also call the Karen. The fact that you think you can control the language of other people is exactly why the meme exists. Your sphere of influence does not extend to what I do or say.

+1

Top pp, why are you making common cause with conservative white men and women over the need to use an offensive meme to shut up white women?

1) I don't care about offending you. I believe white people could stand to be a little more uncomfortable.

2) This is an anonymous forum. Just because you all decided posters were conservative, men, etc. because that made you feel better about trying to shout them down, doesn't make it true.

None of these posters has denied being conservative.

You're going to lose a lot of allies if you keep up with this hostile, retaliatory sh!t.

Classic.

“After all I’ve done for you people...”

I think you'd make a good VP candidate.

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No. You're not going to police my language. I will call them racists, I will call them jerks, I will call them entitled, and if I feel like, I will also call the Karen. The fact that you think you can control the language of other people is exactly why the meme exists. Your sphere of influence does not extend to what I do or say.

+1

Top pp, why are you making common cause with conservative white men and women over the need to use an offensive meme to shut up white women?

1) I don't care about offending you. I believe white people could stand to be a little more uncomfortable.

2) This is an anonymous forum. Just because you all decided posters were conservative, men, etc. because that made you feel better about trying to shout them down, doesn't make it true.

None of these posters has denied being conservative.

You're going to lose a lot of allies if you keep up with this hostile, retaliatory sh!t.

NP: I'm an ultra-liberal white woman and I use the Karen term frequently. Because to be honest, a lot of the time, we are a bunch of f***ing Karens. And we need to knock it off.

Another NP: Yet another ultra-liberal, straight-ticket Blue voter (who wouldn't vote for Trump if I was on fire and he was holding the world's only hose), enjoying the crap out of all the dramatic hand-wringing about a stupid Internet meme (which is, indeed, about women who call the cops because they see a black man they don't know in their neighborhood, or who are self-appointed hall monitors of how restaurant owners should run their businesses) But please, continue doubling down on the melodramatic fallacy that we're all Evil Conservative Males out to OPPRESS ALL WOMEN. Hilarious.

[Anonymous]

The term Karen is commercially motivated not socially.

See who benefits?.. this is who is behind it.

The companies dream of NOTHING more but selling and pushing crap service and products and having consumers obediently sucking it up and absorbing the costs of their inadequacies and greediness. You should not speak up and stand for a consumer rights, you should shut up and spend your hard earned money on stuff that falls apart, food that reeks and services that damage what they supposed to fix.

If you are upset, to bad. You should not be, shame on you.

Yes? Sure.

So who do you think coined it and where? Some clever PR dudes behind some cozy desks far far away....

It should work and you should be silenced into obedience... or you are called offensive name?

Well... if it was just offensive.. but it is illegal and people should start realizing it.

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Did you know it is illegal to call people names? That is right it is illegal to insult someone. In the law, insulting someone is called slander if it was said and libel if it was done in writing."

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Everybody who finds this term offensive and sees it posted please quote this until they will get that there are consequences to this type of wording.

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Did you know it is illegal to call people names? That is right it is illegal to insult someone. In the law, insulting someone is called slander if it was said and libel if it was done in writing."

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Oh, and if you consider yourself an ally, please understand that black people don't owe you something because of it. If one person being "mean" to you on the internet is enough to shake your conviction, I think you have some additional soul searching to do. Please stop threatening POC that you'll stop working to dismantle racism and inequality if they aren't nice to you.

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Everybody who finds this term offensive and sees it posted please quote this until they will get that there are consequences to this type of wording.

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Did you know it is illegal to call people names? That is right it is illegal to insult someone. In the law, insulting someone is called slander if it was said and libel if it was done in writing."

LOL You're serious right now? What happened to 'this is the land of free speech and the first amendment'?

[Anonymous]

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Everybody who finds this term offensive and sees it posted please quote this until they will get that there are consequences to this type of wording.

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Did you know it is illegal to call people names? That is right it is illegal to insult someone. In the law, insulting someone is called slander if it was said and libel if it was done in writing."

LOL You're serious right now? What happened to 'this is the land of free speech and the first amendment'?

You have a right to say anything you want in this country, but this does not mean there are no consequences to your words.

You are confusing freedom with rights of the other person.

[Anonymous]

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No. You're not going to police my language. I will call them racists, I will call them jerks, I will call them entitled, and if I feel like, I will also call the Karen. The fact that you think you can control the language of other people is exactly why the meme exists. Your sphere of influence does not extend to what I do or say.

+1

Top pp, why are you making common cause with conservative white men and women over the need to use an offensive meme to shut up white women?

1) I don't care about offending you. I believe white people could stand to be a little more uncomfortable.

2) This is an anonymous forum. Just because you all decided posters were conservative, men, etc. because that made you feel better about trying to shout them down, doesn't make it true.

None of these posters has denied being conservative.

You're going to lose a lot of allies if you keep up with this hostile, retaliatory sh!t.

Classic.

“After all I’ve done for you people...”

Miss Millie

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Everybody who finds this term offensive and sees it posted please quote this until they will get that there are consequences to this type of wording.

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Did you know it is illegal to call people names? That is right it is illegal to insult someone. In the law, insulting someone is called slander if it was said and libel if it was done in writing."

LOL You're serious right now? What happened to 'this is the land of free speech and the first amendment'?

See.. I told everybody, this is all overseas bots.. they have no concept of the free speech and the first amendment and the US law and how is it working...

Yes, you can say anything you want, yes you will be hold responsible.

At the very minimum Jeff can kick your post out.. because he has a right to do so... in case you thought he can not because of the first amendment.. again you have no concept of internet laws vs. free speech and private entities vs. private speech..

Go and learn. And stay there.

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No. You're not going to police my language. I will call them racists, I will call them jerks, I will call them entitled, and if I feel like, I will also call the Karen. The fact that you think you can control the language of other people is exactly why the meme exists. Your sphere of influence does not extend to what I do or say.

+1

Top pp, why are you making common cause with conservative white men and women over the need to use an offensive meme to shut up white women?

1) I don't care about offending you. I believe white people could stand to be a little more uncomfortable.

2) This is an anonymous forum. Just because you all decided posters were conservative, men, etc. because that made you feel better about trying to shout them down, doesn't make it true.

None of these posters has denied being conservative.

You're going to lose a lot of allies if you keep up with this hostile, retaliatory sh!t.

Classic.

“After all I’ve done for you people...”

Miss Millie

I missed that - Thank you!