Washington Post Contributor Believed Killed by Saudi Arabia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oooh and remember you've read it here first, many days ago, and someone could have even cussed me out for staining his memory or something like that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/woman-says-she-married-khashoggi-in-ceremony-kept-secret-from-his-fiancee-and-some-in-his-family/2018/11/16/8cde0a6c-e9cc-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html?utm_term=.d15b7880c38a

An Egyptian woman says she married Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi in a religious ceremony in the United States this year, months before he was killed at a Saudi consulate in Turkey while seeking papers needed to marry a different woman.

The disclosure of the marriage, which Khashoggi appears to have kept hidden from his Turkish fiancee and even members of his family, adds to the complicated timeline of Khashoggi’s final months before he was killed by a team of Saudi assassins in October.

In an interview, the woman said she was coming forward to reveal her relationship with Khashoggi because “as a Muslim wife, I want my full right and to be recognized.”

...Atr provided The Washington Post with text messages that she and Khashoggi exchanged and photos of them together, including some from their wedding ceremony, which took place in June in a Washington suburb.

A longtime associate of Khashoggi who participated in the ceremony as a witness confirmed Atr’s account. He spoke on the condition of anonymity because of safety concerns.

..Members of Khashoggi’s family declined to comment on the marriage. His Turkish fiancee, Hatice Cengiz, said in a telephone interview that she was not aware of Khashoggi’s relationship with Atr and questioned her motives.

“Jamal never told me about this woman,” Cengiz said. “Why is she trying to change the picture people have of Jamal? What does she want? .?.?. I suspect that this is an attempt to discredit him and hurt his reputation.”

just seeing this info. extremely troubling. very sad all around. Hard to think about how he must have suffered. Such brutality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes all it took was Jared passing list of names to MSB. Good people on both side amirite?

Why do you repeat stuff you read somewhere without thinking?

Why would Jared need to pass Khashoggi's name to MSB? Do you think MSB doesn't know who Khashoggi is? The man ate and drank from the hands of the Al-Saud for decades. He wrote and published openly. Anything that was to be known about Khashoggi's public activities, was already known to MBS. In fact, MBS probably knows way more about Khashoggi than Kushner ever did. So why on earth would Kushner need to pass a list with his name on it to MBS? What could Kushner know about Khashoggi that MBS did not? Don't be ridiculous.

There is, however, one possibility that Kushner could have passed something on to MBS, but that something would have had to describe the less public activities of late Mr. Khashoggi. That something would have had to show that the WP gig was just a distraction, and that the main occupation of Mr Khashoggi in the U.S. had to do less with writing and more with something clandestine.

Don't take my word for it. Here is Juliette Kayyem, hardly a Trump apologist, opining to Vanity Fair:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/cia-saudi-arabia-khashoggi

Yet the fallout from Khashoggi’s murder is likely to be felt more immediately, and most acutely, in the shadows where the U.S. develops key intelligence sources. “Someone who is essentially a U.S. citizen (UMMM...SO NOT) has been killed, and the Trump administration, until the last 24 hours, has been excusing the Saudis,” Kayyem says. “So imagine you’re a Syrian asset who knows something about ISIS, and you are being managed by U.S. intelligence. You are at incredible risk in doing this. The intelligence community makes a lot of representations that should you get into trouble, the United States will be there for you. I don’t think that holds anymore. And that’s enormously destructive.”

Now why would Kayyem make that jump and draw a parallel between a journalist, whose loyalty is to no one, and an intelligence asset, bought and paid for, and owed protection? Why?

Say it. Own it. Khashoggi could have been an asset. May have been an asset. Stop that journalist talk business.

Think about it. Here is a guy who spent years in the bosom of Al-Saud, who was a key adviser for years to the chief of freaking Saudi intelligence, and now he's on the outs and moved to the U.S. What are the chances that CIA didn't contact him? I mean do you really think he was off their radar?

Think. Put two and two together already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:..His Turkish fiancee, Hatice Cengiz, said in a telephone interview that she was not aware of Khashoggi’s relationship with Atr and questioned her motives.

“Jamal never told me about this woman,” Cengiz said. “Why is she trying to change the picture people have of Jamal? What does she want? .?.?. I suspect that this is an attempt to discredit him and hurt his reputation.”

Well the answers are so easy.

"Jamal never told me about this woman." - why would he? They never do, dear.

"Why is she trying to change the picture people have of Jamal?" - The picture people had of Jamal was never that of a straight shooter and tell-the-truth-and-nothing-but-the-truth.

"What does she want?" - her share of inheritance and blood money when it's paid. Blood money is legal in KSA, fyi. If she's legally married to Khashoggi, she is entitled to her share.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes all it took was Jared passing list of names to MSB. Good people on both side amirite?

Why do you repeat stuff you read somewhere without thinking?

Why would Jared need to pass Khashoggi's name to MSB? Do you think MSB doesn't know who Khashoggi is? The man ate and drank from the hands of the Al-Saud for decades. He wrote and published openly. Anything that was to be known about Khashoggi's public activities, was already known to MBS. In fact, MBS probably knows way more about Khashoggi than Kushner ever did. So why on earth would Kushner need to pass a list with his name on it to MBS? What could Kushner know about Khashoggi that MBS did not? Don't be ridiculous.

There is, however, one possibility that Kushner could have passed something on to MBS, but that something would have had to describe the less public activities of late Mr. Khashoggi. That something would have had to show that the WP gig was just a distraction, and that the main occupation of Mr Khashoggi in the U.S. had to do less with writing and more with something clandestine.

Don't take my word for it. Here is Juliette Kayyem, hardly a Trump apologist, opining to Vanity Fair:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/cia-saudi-arabia-khashoggi

Yet the fallout from Khashoggi’s murder is likely to be felt more immediately, and most acutely, in the shadows where the U.S. develops key intelligence sources. “Someone who is essentially a U.S. citizen (UMMM...SO NOT) has been killed, and the Trump administration, until the last 24 hours, has been excusing the Saudis,” Kayyem says. “So imagine you’re a Syrian asset who knows something about ISIS, and you are being managed by U.S. intelligence. You are at incredible risk in doing this. The intelligence community makes a lot of representations that should you get into trouble, the United States will be there for you. I don’t think that holds anymore. And that’s enormously destructive.”

Now why would Kayyem make that jump and draw a parallel between a journalist, whose loyalty is to no one, and an intelligence asset, bought and paid for, and owed protection? Why?

Say it. Own it. Khashoggi could have been an asset. May have been an asset. Stop that journalist talk business.

Think about it. Here is a guy who spent years in the bosom of Al-Saud, who was a key adviser for years to the chief of freaking Saudi intelligence, and now he's on the outs and moved to the U.S. What are the chances that CIA didn't contact him? I mean do you really think he was off their radar?

Think. Put two and two together already.

Sorry are you talking about Trump as an asset? In Putins pocket, yuck-yucking it up with MSB, feeling the love of Kim Jun Yong? Did I forget anyone?

[Anonymous]

Why don't you ask Juliet Kayyem what she's talking about? Maybe she can explain why she's comparing an "American journalist" to a Syrian intelligence asset.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes all it took was Jared passing list of names to MSB. Good people on both side amirite?

Why do you repeat stuff you read somewhere without thinking?

Why would Jared need to pass Khashoggi's name to MSB? Do you think MSB doesn't know who Khashoggi is? The man ate and drank from the hands of the Al-Saud for decades. He wrote and published openly. Anything that was to be known about Khashoggi's public activities, was already known to MBS. In fact, MBS probably knows way more about Khashoggi than Kushner ever did. So why on earth would Kushner need to pass a list with his name on it to MBS? What could Kushner know about Khashoggi that MBS did not? Don't be ridiculous.

There is, however, one possibility that Kushner could have passed something on to MBS, but that something would have had to describe the less public activities of late Mr. Khashoggi. That something would have had to show that the WP gig was just a distraction, and that the main occupation of Mr Khashoggi in the U.S. had to do less with writing and more with something clandestine.

Don't take my word for it. Here is Juliette Kayyem, hardly a Trump apologist, opining to Vanity Fair:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/cia-saudi-arabia-khashoggi

Yet the fallout from Khashoggi’s murder is likely to be felt more immediately, and most acutely, in the shadows where the U.S. develops key intelligence sources. “Someone who is essentially a U.S. citizen (UMMM...SO NOT) has been killed, and the Trump administration, until the last 24 hours, has been excusing the Saudis,” Kayyem says. “So imagine you’re a Syrian asset who knows something about ISIS, and you are being managed by U.S. intelligence. You are at incredible risk in doing this. The intelligence community makes a lot of representations that should you get into trouble, the United States will be there for you. I don’t think that holds anymore. And that’s enormously destructive.”

Now why would Kayyem make that jump and draw a parallel between a journalist, whose loyalty is to no one, and an intelligence asset, bought and paid for, and owed protection? Why?

Say it. Own it. Khashoggi could have been an asset. May have been an asset. Stop that journalist talk business.

Think about it. Here is a guy who spent years in the bosom of Al-Saud, who was a key adviser for years to the chief of freaking Saudi intelligence, and now he's on the outs and moved to the U.S. What are the chances that CIA didn't contact him? I mean do you really think he was off their radar?

Think. Put two and two together already.

So you think it is okay for Kushner to unmask a US asset, if your theory is true?

[Anonymous]

No of course it's not OK. And thank you for noting it's just a theory, nothing else.

I just felt compelled to point that out because no other explanation makes sense in the context of "Kushner gave MBS a list with Khashoggi's name on it." It's not like MBS is unaware of who the man is!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No of course it's not OK. And thank you for noting it's just a theory, nothing else.

I just felt compelled to point that out because no other explanation makes sense in the context of "Kushner gave MBS a list with Khashoggi's name on it." It's not like MBS is unaware of who the man is!

I happen to think that Jamal was an asset and that Kushner sold him out.

He is a traitor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No of course it's not OK. And thank you for noting it's just a theory, nothing else.

I just felt compelled to point that out because no other explanation makes sense in the context of "Kushner gave MBS a list with Khashoggi's name on it." It's not like MBS is unaware of who the man is!

I happen to think that Jamal was an asset and that Kushner sold him out.

He is a traitor.

If that's the case, MBS has every reason to see Jamal as a traitor, doesn't he.

[Anonymous]

Every day in this White House is like backwards day. Sad.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/17/trump-saudis-khashoggi-cia-gulen-1000487

Trump hails Saudis as 'spectacular ally' in wake of CIA Khashoggi reports

President Donald Trump on Saturday heralded Saudi Arabia as a “spectacular ally” two days after his administration leveled sanctions against 17 Saudi officials for the death of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

The president said he had not yet been briefed by the CIA on the latest developments in the investigation into Khashoggi’s murder in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last month, but he would speak to intelligence officials and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo later Saturday.

Trump demurred on any potential involvement by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, whom the CIA has concluded ordered Khashoggi’s assassination by a team of Saudi agents, according to a report first published Friday by the Washington Post.

[Anonymous]

And now:
Trump refuses to listen to audiotape of atrocity
(Doesn't want to face the facts)
What a farce as President

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And now:
Trump refuses to listen to audiotape of atrocity
(Doesn't want to face the facts)
What a farce as President

Trump is giving the Saudis a free pass on a brutal murder because his family needs Saudi money for the “businesses.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And now:
Trump refuses to listen to audiotape of atrocity
(Doesn't want to face the facts)
What a farce as President

Do you want to hear a man being murdered? Sicko.

[Anonymous]

He should make Jared listen to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And now:
Trump refuses to listen to audiotape of atrocity
(Doesn't want to face the facts)
What a farce as President

Trump is giving the Saudis a free pass on a brutal murder because his family needs Saudi money for the “businesses.”

Don't kid yourself, every U.S. administration gave Saudis a free pass on everything. I challenge you to find a president that didn't bend for them.