Official 1st Presidential Debate Thread

[Anonymous]

]Given that the allegation is that Hillary's team deleted those emails beyond recovery, how is she supposed to now release them?

I work in a school system. Our IT guy is like Mr. Robot- but with a clean record. He said to NEVER write anything in an email that would haunt you in the future. Even if it's deleted, it's still out there.

There's always a way . . .
https://askleo.com/are_deleted_emails_really_deleted/
Are deleted emails really deleted?

And as is stated in the article there's always the recipient of the email.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there rape charges filed against Trump? There are against Clinton.

An anonymous woman has twice filed civil suits against Trump accusing him of raping her when she was 13 years old. The first lawsuit was filed in California, but dismissed due to technical filing errors. The case was refiled in New York, but just over a week ago, the woman voluntarily withdrew her lawsuit. Her lawyer said that an additional witness has been identified and a new lawsuit will be filed.

I detest Trump as much as anyone but you don't voluntarily dismiss a lawsuit because a new "witness" has been located.

They withdrew the previously filed New York case are are going to refile with new information from the additional witness.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html

https://sputniknews.com/us/20160623/1041780453/trump-rape-lawsuit.html

Posters are quick to rely on snopes. Here's their current version - soon to be updated, I suppose, once they involve the new witness.

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/


more recent than Huff post -

As of now, all of the information about this lawsuit comes solely from the complaint filed by "Katie Johnson," and no one has as yet located, identified, or interviewed her.

The original lawsuit was voluntarily dismissed on 16 September 2016, with the plaintiff's attorney stating they would be refiling with information from a new witness.

LAST UPDATED: 19 September 2016

ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: 23 June 2016

There's a strong connection among Epstein, Trump and Bill Clinton, as Epstein donated a lot of money to his foundation. And unless Bill is naive, which is doubtful, he, too, understood what sort of parties Epstein had at his private island.

Both men are despicable. Hillary is far from innocent, however. Her husband flew many times on Epstein's Lolita Express. And while there's no story suggesting Clinton raped these young teenagers - some as young as 12 - he knew they were being used as sex slaves. Why do you think the plane was called Lolita Express? And why do you think Epstein was jailed for only about 18 months?

So if you're OK voting for a woman whose husband "looked away" during Epstein's child sex ring parties, go right ahead.

Again, both are despicable.

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Anonymous wrote:If he's not ashamed of his income taxes, why not release the returns?

Because he has a multi-billion dollar company and his lawyers have advised him not to until the audit is over. Yes, I know the IRS says it is okay but his lawyers are against it.

So why is Hillary not releasing her emails again and why are so many of her staff members pleading the fifth? Even though she has nothing to be ashamed of it was a simple mistake on her part? Ah thats right. Lawyers.

EVERY presidential candidate has released their taxes for 40 years. Has any presidential candidate released their emails? Did George W do it? Did McCain?Did Romney? Did Obama?

Exactly! If she has to release her emails, he needs to release his as well!

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Anonymous wrote:If he's not ashamed of his income taxes, why not release the returns?

Because he has a multi-billion dollar company and his lawyers have advised him not to until the audit is over. Yes, I know the IRS says it is okay but his lawyers are against it.

So why is Hillary not releasing her emails again and why are so many of her staff members pleading the fifth? Even though she has nothing to be ashamed of it was a simple mistake on her part? Ah thats right. Lawyers.

EVERY presidential candidate has released their taxes for 40 years. Has any presidential candidate released their emails? Did George W do it? Did McCain?Did Romney? Did Obama?

Exactly! If she has to release her emails, he needs to release his as well!

Criminal Hillary Clinton has raised the bar for all!!

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Anonymous wrote:If he's not ashamed of his income taxes, why not release the returns?

Because he has a multi-billion dollar company and his lawyers have advised him not to until the audit is over. Yes, I know the IRS says it is okay but his lawyers are against it.

So why is Hillary not releasing her emails again and why are so many of her staff members pleading the fifth? Even though she has nothing to be ashamed of it was a simple mistake on her part? Ah thats right. Lawyers.

EVERY presidential candidate has released their taxes for 40 years. Has any presidential candidate released their emails? Did George W do it? Did McCain?Did Romney? Did Obama?

Exactly! If she has to release her emails, he needs to release his as well!

And Hillary was caught. That's all. I'm sure the former presidents have sent out incriminating messages, too, especially during "pre-high tech" times.

The others weren't caught - but she was. So that makes it right to ignore the fact that she KNOWINGLY shared sensitive information through an unsecured system?

Let's use another example that you all may understand. We THINK that X, Y and Z stole from a store. A, however, was CAUGHT stealing. But b/c X, Y and Z have no official record, we can wipe A's slate clean.

I get your thinking. It's the Hillary effect - aka, blinded by a double standard.

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Trump said it was smart to not pay taxes - if it is true that he has gamed his money to avoid taxes, then sure, he is smart, but he is also a freeloader.

I'm sure he pays plenty of other taxes. It proves what is wrong with our income tax system. Far too many loopholes. As far as freeloading, he has created lots of jobs and probably has helped our economy far more in this way. He pays payroll taxes, etc, and his employees contribute. Do I like it? No. Would you do differently? Do you not take advantage of every tax break you can get? We do--but, of course, we pay what I consider a lot in taxes.

And, he is right. The money is squandered by people like Hillary.

This. He was following the tax system in place. Should he have offered to pay taxes he didn't owe? [/

It's the fact that he won't release them that makes people wonder if he is following the tax system in place. I don't get why he gets to break a 40 year ild custom of releasing tax returns while demanding that other candidates release emails, speeches, and birth certificates.

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Anonymous wrote:If he's not ashamed of his income taxes, why not release the returns?

Because he has a multi-billion dollar company and his lawyers have advised him not to until the audit is over. Yes, I know the IRS says it is okay but his lawyers are against it.

So why is Hillary not releasing her emails again and why are so many of her staff members pleading the fifth? Even though she has nothing to be ashamed of it was a simple mistake on her part? Ah thats right. Lawyers.

EVERY presidential candidate has released their taxes for 40 years. Has any presidential candidate released their emails? Did George W do it? Did McCain?Did Romney? Did Obama?

Exactly! If she has to release her emails, he needs to release his as well!

Criminal Hillary Clinton has raised the bar for all!!

Now, now, PP - Perhaps you should purchase her book, Stronger Together, that she plugged during the debate. I'm sure it will change your vision of Hillary. Kindle - $4.99

[Anonymous]

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There's a strong connection among Epstein, Trump and Bill Clinton, as Epstein donated a lot of money to his foundation. And unless Bill is naive, which is doubtful, he, too, understood what sort of parties Epstein had at his private island.

Both men are despicable. Hillary is far from innocent, however. Her husband flew many times on Epstein's Lolita Express. And while there's no story suggesting Clinton raped these young teenagers - some as young as 12 - he knew they were being used as sex slaves. Why do you think the plane was called Lolita Express? And why do you think Epstein was jailed for only about 18 months?

So if you're OK voting for a woman whose husband "looked away" during Epstein's child sex ring parties, go right ahead.

Again, both are despicable.

So you would rather vote for the man who raped a 13 year old than a woman whose husband may or may not have partaken in illicit activity but has no record of doing so herself?

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Anonymous wrote:Alright, Trumpkins, one area where Trump was the clear winner: interrupting. He interrupted Hillary 51 times vs. 17 times she interrupted him. So...congratulations?

Lester Holt interrupted Trump 41 times and Hillary 7 times.

Zero questions were asked about Email, Clinton Foundation, Benghazi, health.

Holt asked Clinton about the emails and the private server.

He didn't ask about either the Trump Foundation or the Clinton Foundation. There were lots of questions he didn't ask -- there was only so much time.

Holt favored Clinton. I don't like either of them but do feel that Trump is less entrenched and more open to discussion and changes in policy. Bottom line is all I care about. Just google Carrier Indianapolis. Job drain to Mexico and China. Unfair tax policy. All the to be deported getting citizenship? Servers of high govt officials in a suburban basement?

Clinton was emphasizing her father who did drapes and screen printing. Anyone have a contractor that didn't deliver? We once fired an architect. A guy like Clinton's father would have been a pillar of the community where I grew up. Pennsylvania is filled with towns/cities like Scranton http://articles.latimes.com/2014/jan/10/nation/la-na-scranton-bankruptcy-20140111

Throughout states like PA are closed businesses and factories. http://artofabandonment.com/2010/08/scranton-lace-company/

No, Trump is not open to anything. He has his ideas, thinks they are the bestest, most bogadacious.

Hate to break it to you, but manufacturing jobs really started leaving around the Reagan administration, the architect of NAFTA. Even Trump admits to that.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/26/politics/donald-trump-when-america-was-great/

"As much as I liked Ronald Reagan, he started NAFTA," Trump said"

Reagan did a lot I thought would have negative consequences. My point is we have to stop the drain.

[Anonymous]

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There's a strong connection among Epstein, Trump and Bill Clinton, as Epstein donated a lot of money to his foundation. And unless Bill is naive, which is doubtful, he, too, understood what sort of parties Epstein had at his private island.

Both men are despicable. Hillary is far from innocent, however. Her husband flew many times on Epstein's Lolita Express. And while there's no story suggesting Clinton raped these young teenagers - some as young as 12 - he knew they were being used as sex slaves. Why do you think the plane was called Lolita Express? And why do you think Epstein was jailed for only about 18 months?

So if you're OK voting for a woman whose husband "looked away" during Epstein's child sex ring parties, go right ahead.

Again, both are despicable.

So you would rather vote for the man who raped a 13 year old than a woman whose husband may or may not have partaken in illicit activity but has no record of doing so herself?

Wow. I sure as hell wouldn't want you on a jury ready to convict based on your prejudice before any evidence is presented. Trump is just as innocent as Clinton as they both may or may not have participated.

[Anonymous]

The way Trump touts the online polls as evidence of him winning is pathetic. Holy crap, he is thin skinned. SAD!

[Anonymous]

Let's put to rest this false equivalency that Bush didn't release his emails, so why should Her Royal Crookedness release hers? Did Bush ever get a subpoena to turn over his illegal server and then bleachbit it I to smithereens?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's a strong connection among Epstein, Trump and Bill Clinton, as Epstein donated a lot of money to his foundation. And unless Bill is naive, which is doubtful, he, too, understood what sort of parties Epstein had at his private island.

Both men are despicable. Hillary is far from innocent, however. Her husband flew many times on Epstein's Lolita Express. And while there's no story suggesting Clinton raped these young teenagers - some as young as 12 - he knew they were being used as sex slaves. Why do you think the plane was called Lolita Express? And why do you think Epstein was jailed for only about 18 months?

So if you're OK voting for a woman whose husband "looked away" during Epstein's child sex ring parties, go right ahead.

Again, both are despicable.

So you would rather vote for the man who raped a 13 year old than a woman whose husband may or may not have partaken in illicit activity but has no record of doing so herself?

Wow. I sure as hell wouldn't want you on a jury ready to convict based on your prejudice before any evidence is presented. Trump is just as innocent as Clinton as they both may or may not have participated.

So you would rather vote for the man who allegedly raped a 13 year old than a woman whose husband may or may not have partaken in illicit activity but has no record of doing so herself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The way Trump touts the online polls as evidence of him winning is pathetic. Holy crap, he is thin skinned. SAD!

He believes everything he reads on "cyber".

I can just see him sitting with advisors who are trying to explain to him detailed, complicated issues, and then Trump says, "It's too much info. Just send me quick tweets".

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Hate to break it to you, but manufacturing jobs really started leaving around the Reagan administration, the architect of NAFTA. Even Trump admits to that.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/26/politics/donald-trump-when-america-was-great/

"As much as I liked Ronald Reagan, he started NAFTA," Trump said"

Reagan did a lot I thought would have negative consequences. My point is we have to stop the drain.

The way Trump wants to stop the drain is very unAmerican and will hurt our economy. Both taxing goods coming back or manufacturing the goods here will increase the cost of that good. That gets passed on to the consumer. It won't hurt people like Trump. It will hurt people like my single mother sister making barely minimum wage and my parents who live on social security. It will hurt the majority of Trump supporters the most.

Wages never keep up with inflation.