Who did you think killed JonBenet?

[Anonymous]

This Santa was an awfully hairy man to have not left a single hair behind as someone mentioned. Ski mask or not look at that beard. How would he manage to not get a loose hair in the time he spent in the home? Would he really keep a mask on for hours waiting? He would be sweating bullets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This Santa was an awfully hairy man to have not left a single hair behind as someone mentioned. Ski mask or not look at that beard. How would he manage to not get a loose hair in the time he spent in the home? Would he really keep a mask on for hours waiting? He would be sweating bullets.

We have no idea what the intruder wore. The crime scene was not gone over properly so who knows what the police found. Santa had been in that house on the 23rd. You would think they would have found strands from his beard if the police were doing a proper job. Why didn't they find any hairs from that long beard if he had been in that house on the 23rd?

[Anonymous]

Or maybe the police did find strands from his beard and Santa said "well of course you did I was just here two days ago" and the police never let that info be public.

[Anonymous]

Maybe he did not have on a ski mask when he lured her but put one on when he assaulted her. After he knocked her out he put on his ski mask to switch from friendly Santa to twisted freak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Santa said " looking back I always thought that if anybody wanted to do major damage to this family, they could do it at Christmas, because they all adored Christmas". (In Schiller's book)

wow, that is chilling. Who even thinks like that???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why anyone is arguing that open window must mean intruder. If you weee in the home and staging a murder of course you would want to make it look like someone broke in.

Also, I'm seriously wondering if there are tons of rabid Ramsey defenders or just one or two people who can't fathom it. I don't know who did it but the "they loved her!" argument is so weak. Parents kill ALL THE TIME

No one is using "they loved her as a defense". Pointing out failures of police and very suspicious people who had access to JB.

No, people did. Maybe you missed it because there are so many pages. But people have literally argued "Patsy loved her" and "no parent would use a garrote" etc

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why anyone is arguing that open window must mean intruder. If you weee in the home and staging a murder of course you would want to make it look like someone broke in.

Also, I'm seriously wondering if there are tons of rabid Ramsey defenders or just one or two people who can't fathom it. I don't know who did it but the "they loved her!" argument is so weak. Parents kill ALL THE TIME

Rabid? Seriously? Are you getting a little too invested?

I've made like three comments on this entire thread. Unlike the people who respond to every post with "it isn't the Ramsey's!" and provide no evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't believe the Ramseys had anything to do with it. Did you hear the 911 call? Patsy was so distraught. She loved that girl -- maybe a hit on the head but to assault her dd with a paintbrush? Come on. No indication that JR did it either. P was a relatively young woman who had been to the edge of death -- she must have loved those children desperately. He'd lost a daughter and he seems like an intelligent person who makes cool, calculated decisions. And is there any indication he abused his other two daughters? I don't think so. If he were an abuser he would have abused them too.

JB and Burke's bedwetting? Their beloved older sister died. Their mother had just barely survived cancer.

As for how the Ramseys acted/are acting -- I'm sure Patsy was medicated, John seems like the midwestern stiff upper lip type of his generation and Burke has had a very strange childhood and may well have "issues" I can't knowledgeably specify.

The evidence against them is ridiculous. A well off woman re-wore an outfit? A child snuck a piece of pineapple in a busy household at a busy time of year? And is there any suggestion -- from any of the three other children in their orbit -- that J & P were in any way abusive parents? How do you go from being a loving parent to so vilely abusing the baby of the family? Patsy was a Stage 4 ovarian cancer patient and people believe she was physically strong enough to do what she did?

Also -- look at the ransom note. It mentions John by name but not Jonbenet, just "your daughter". Whoever wrote it apparently wasn't aware that John Ramsey had another daughter and/or may not have known Jonbenet's name or how to spell it.

It was an intruder. The BPD messed up badly.

I completely agree with all that you said. I just could never get on board with the theory that the parents did it. As for the ransom note, they couldn't rule Patsy out of the handwriting sample, but that's it. Not convincing to me at all that she did it.

[Anonymous]

They couldn't rule out Patsy OR Santa.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why anyone is arguing that open window must mean intruder. If you weee in the home and staging a murder of course you would want to make it look like someone broke in.

Also, I'm seriously wondering if there are tons of rabid Ramsey defenders or just one or two people who can't fathom it. I don't know who did it but the "they loved her!" argument is so weak. Parents kill ALL THE TIME

Rabid? Seriously? Are you getting a little too invested?

I've made like three comments on this entire thread. Unlike the people who respond to every post with "it isn't the Ramsey's!" and provide no evidence.

I think people have provided many ideas that point away from the Ramseys. No one has any evidence but there is so much information available especially when suspicious people made suspicious statements themselves. I think people realize how much damage both the police and the press did to the case. All those images of that little girl in her pageant outfits turned people against Patsy. Those pageants were only a small portion of her life. Her kids probably had a more normal life than the kids of today who are dragged from activity to activity or play sports 365 days a year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why anyone is arguing that open window must mean intruder. If you weee in the home and staging a murder of course you would want to make it look like someone broke in.

Also, I'm seriously wondering if there are tons of rabid Ramsey defenders or just one or two people who can't fathom it. I don't know who did it but the "they loved her!" argument is so weak. Parents kill ALL THE TIME

I agree the Ramsey defenders are extremely vociferous in their defense. It's true that in many cases parents have been wrongly accused of being involved in their child's murder. LE can develop tunnel vision. I'm not convinced, though. I just wish we could know what evidence was presented in the grand jury which caused them to think the Ramseys were involved. **sigh** I guess we'll never know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another odd thing. See below for some excerpts of the note. If this happened to me, I would be completely focused on getting the money together and dealing with the "kidnappers." It doesn't seem like this was a priority for the Ramseys.

"She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997, you… will withdraw $118,000… I will call you between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pickup of your daughter "

John Ramsey was on the phone with his banker getting the money together that morning. They all sat and waited for the phone to ring and it didn't.

Did you watch the Dateline special? They mentioned the time went without mention (a detective found it odd that j and p didn't mention the missed call) and that the cops had prepped the family for the call.

NP. That was one of the contradictions between the two shows. On the A&E show, JR stated in an interview that he went to the bank, met with his regular banker (and was lucky to catch him because the guy was on his way out of town) and got the cash. The show also stated that everyone did wait by the phone. This point is so murky to me. If I was waiting for a ransom call that didn't come, I would freak the f out and probably make a scene that would be "memorable" enough for all law enforcement people in my home to remember it.

One piece of evidence that I put in the "Ramsey's did it" column is that the ransom note told them not to notify law enforcement or bankers and if they did, JB would be killed. Yet, they did a frantic call to 911 and never said anything about that.

That was one of the things that bugged me from the get go too. I think that the excuse is that Patsy and John were in such a panic that they didn't read the whole note before they called 911. The other odd thing (to me) is that John didn't take the bull by the horns and call 911 himself. He let his frazzled, freaking out wife do it.

But maybe Patsy grabbed the phone and started dialing before John had even had a chance to read the note? I know that must have been a hideously horrifying morning for those people.

[Anonymous]

In the reddit part of this, many have stated that the scene was "staged"--that JB wasn't even killed in that room, it was then staged to look like she was killed there, the sadistic items found, etc....were all staged. I thought? even one of the investigators at the Ramsey house that day, even answered questions on reddit....did anyone read that?

[Anonymous]

Someone post the Reddit of possible. It was mentioned on A&E but not in detail.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why anyone is arguing that open window must mean intruder. If you weee in the home and staging a murder of course you would want to make it look like someone broke in.

Also, I'm seriously wondering if there are tons of rabid Ramsey defenders or just one or two people who can't fathom it. I don't know who did it but the "they loved her!" argument is so weak. Parents kill ALL THE TIME

No one is using "they loved her as a defense". Pointing out failures of police and very suspicious people who had access to JB.

No, people did. Maybe you missed it because there are so many pages. But people have literally argued "Patsy loved her" and "no parent would use a garrote" etc

Well they did love her and, as far as I'm aware, no other parent has used a garrote like that to kill their child or staged the murder of their child to look like a sexual assault. At least not in the U.S. modern times. So the folks who doubt that version of events have a point.