Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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is blair overcrowded because of the magnets?

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what the Wheaton community thinks the best solution is? Different matriculation pattern or sounds like adding on isn’t possible with the distance between buildings? FLO analytics kept mentioning the Edison building and sounds like that is not helpful? Seems like FLO has a disconnect on this point.

The Wheaton cluster coordinator's testimony in 2023 :

"there is a quick and practical solution to our overcrowding
problem that has yet to be utilized - an unfinished shell located within the
Thomas Edison building. Our Community strongly urges MCPS to build
out and finish that shell so that both Wheaton and Thomas Edison can
use that space to accommodate our growing population."

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CXCN955EC89E/$file/Narissa%20Johnson%20-%202023%20CIP%20Testimony%20.pdf

It takes years to find something like that and it wouldn’t work as the distance is too far in less they arranged specific students and basically segregated them.

Huh? It's literally there in the Edison building.

I think PP meant fund, not find.

If it were so easy why not do it this summer? Oh, because it will be years before a project like this is approved, planned and designed, let alone built.

FLO Analytics mentioned this Edison shell space during the presentation last week, which means MCPS CO staff must have told them about it as an option under consideration. We can keep an eye out for this fall's CIP to see if it's included. If so, that could be a clue to how Taylor is leaning.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what the Wheaton community thinks the best solution is? Different matriculation pattern or sounds like adding on isn’t possible with the distance between buildings? FLO analytics kept mentioning the Edison building and sounds like that is not helpful? Seems like FLO has a disconnect on this point.

CIP? Also, what do you mean by which way Taylor is leaning?
The Wheaton cluster coordinator's testimony in 2023 :

"there is a quick and practical solution to our overcrowding
problem that has yet to be utilized - an unfinished shell located within the
Thomas Edison building. Our Community strongly urges MCPS to build
out and finish that shell so that both Wheaton and Thomas Edison can
use that space to accommodate our growing population."

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CXCN955EC89E/$file/Narissa%20Johnson%20-%202023%20CIP%20Testimony%20.pdf

It takes years to find something like that and it wouldn’t work as the distance is too far in less they arranged specific students and basically segregated them.

Huh? It's literally there in the Edison building.

I think PP meant fund, not find.

If it were so easy why not do it this summer? Oh, because it will be years before a project like this is approved, planned and designed, let alone built.

FLO Analytics mentioned this Edison shell space during the presentation last week, which means MCPS CO staff must have told them about it as an option under consideration. We can keep an eye out for this fall's CIP to see if it's included. If so, that could be a clue to how Taylor is leaning.

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Anonymous wrote:Why the overcomplexity? Leave kids in the school they are closest to instead of bringing them by bus to places farther out.

agree

Many kids are not currently assigned to the school that is closest. It is impossible to do this for every family.

but why make it worse?

Did nobody tell you that several high schools in MoCo are overcrowded and they built two new high schools to address that? Many children are going to have to change schools and some will have to travel further. I agree it is unfortunate, but sometimes, life is not fair. Maybe when you grow up and have a mortgage, you will understand.

Some of the bussing is “for demographics”. These children would be better served if the funds used for bussing them would be put into their school to make it stronger and help them with specific challenges they may have. Forcing demographics does nothing for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Why the overcomplexity? Leave kids in the school they are closest to instead of bringing them by bus to places farther out.

agree

Many kids are not currently assigned to the school that is closest. It is impossible to do this for every family.

but why make it worse?

Did nobody tell you that several high schools in MoCo are overcrowded and they built two new high schools to address that? Many children are going to have to change schools and some will have to travel further. I agree it is unfortunate, but sometimes, life is not fair. Maybe when you grow up and have a mortgage, you will understand.

Some of the bussing is “for demographics”. These children would be better served if the funds used for bussing them would be put into their school to make it stronger and help them with specific challenges they may have. Forcing demographics does nothing for them.

100% agree. Forcing demographics just means there will be segregation within the school btw high performing students and low performing. It isn’t like elementary school where the kids will be in a class together all day. This will just be the AP/honors kids together and the regular/remedial. On paper it will make certain low performing schools look better on test scores, but it will do nothing to help all the struggling students. That can’t be fixed with bussing.

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Anonymous wrote:Why the overcomplexity? Leave kids in the school they are closest to instead of bringing them by bus to places farther out.

agree

Many kids are not currently assigned to the school that is closest. It is impossible to do this for every family.

but why make it worse?

Did nobody tell you that several high schools in MoCo are overcrowded and they built two new high schools to address that? Many children are going to have to change schools and some will have to travel further. I agree it is unfortunate, but sometimes, life is not fair. Maybe when you grow up and have a mortgage, you will understand.

Some of the bussing is “for demographics”. These children would be better served if the funds used for bussing them would be put into their school to make it stronger and help them with specific challenges they may have. Forcing demographics does nothing for them.

100% agree. Forcing demographics just means there will be segregation within the school btw high performing students and low performing. It isn’t like elementary school where the kids will be in a class together all day. This will just be the AP/honors kids together and the regular/remedial. On paper it will make certain low performing schools look better on test scores, but it will do nothing to help all the struggling students. That can’t be fixed with bussing.

I thought it was honors for all except for math and until they get to AP?

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what the Wheaton community thinks the best solution is? Different matriculation pattern or sounds like adding on isn’t possible with the distance between buildings? FLO analytics kept mentioning the Edison building and sounds like that is not helpful? Seems like FLO has a disconnect on this point.

The Wheaton cluster coordinator's testimony in 2023 :

"there is a quick and practical solution to our overcrowding
problem that has yet to be utilized - an unfinished shell located within the
Thomas Edison building. Our Community strongly urges MCPS to build
out and finish that shell so that both Wheaton and Thomas Edison can
use that space to accommodate our growing population."

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CXCN955EC89E/$file/Narissa%20Johnson%20-%202023%20CIP%20Testimony%20.pdf

It takes years to find something like that and it wouldn’t work as the distance is too far in less they arranged specific students and basically segregated them.

Huh? It's literally there in the Edison building.

I think PP meant fund, not find.

If it were so easy why not do it this summer? Oh, because it will be years before a project like this is approved, planned and designed, let alone built.

FLO Analytics mentioned this Edison shell space during the presentation last week, which means MCPS CO staff must have told them about it as an option under consideration. We can keep an eye out for this fall's CIP to see if it's included. If so, that could be a clue to how Taylor is leaning.

Well they haven't already proposed it and it will be difficult to fund given the outlook for county revenues. The Wheaton community is not stupid, we know getting this extra space is not a given.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what the Wheaton community thinks the best solution is? Different matriculation pattern or sounds like adding on isn’t possible with the distance between buildings? FLO analytics kept mentioning the Edison building and sounds like that is not helpful? Seems like FLO has a disconnect on this point.

The Wheaton cluster coordinator's testimony in 2023 :

"there is a quick and practical solution to our overcrowding
problem that has yet to be utilized - an unfinished shell located within the
Thomas Edison building. Our Community strongly urges MCPS to build
out and finish that shell so that both Wheaton and Thomas Edison can
use that space to accommodate our growing population."

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CXCN955EC89E/$file/Narissa%20Johnson%20-%202023%20CIP%20Testimony%20.pdf

It takes years to find something like that and it wouldn’t work as the distance is too far in less they arranged specific students and basically segregated them.

Huh? It's literally there in the Edison building.

I think PP meant fund, not find.

If it were so easy why not do it this summer? Oh, because it will be years before a project like this is approved, planned and designed, let alone built.

FLO Analytics mentioned this Edison shell space during the presentation last week, which means MCPS CO staff must have told them about it as an option under consideration. We can keep an eye out for this fall's CIP to see if it's included. If so, that could be a clue to how Taylor is leaning.

What is “shell space”? Looking at Google maps, it’s hard to find any unused space on that whole campus.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what the Wheaton community thinks the best solution is? Different matriculation pattern or sounds like adding on isn’t possible with the distance between buildings? FLO analytics kept mentioning the Edison building and sounds like that is not helpful? Seems like FLO has a disconnect on this point.

The Wheaton cluster coordinator's testimony in 2023 :

"there is a quick and practical solution to our overcrowding
problem that has yet to be utilized - an unfinished shell located within the
Thomas Edison building. Our Community strongly urges MCPS to build
out and finish that shell so that both Wheaton and Thomas Edison can
use that space to accommodate our growing population."

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CXCN955EC89E/$file/Narissa%20Johnson%20-%202023%20CIP%20Testimony%20.pdf

It takes years to find something like that and it wouldn’t work as the distance is too far in less they arranged specific students and basically segregated them.

Huh? It's literally there in the Edison building.

I think PP meant fund, not find.

If it were so easy why not do it this summer? Oh, because it will be years before a project like this is approved, planned and designed, let alone built.

FLO Analytics mentioned this Edison shell space during the presentation last week, which means MCPS CO staff must have told them about it as an option under consideration. We can keep an eye out for this fall's CIP to see if it's included. If so, that could be a clue to how Taylor is leaning.

What is “shell space”? Looking at Google maps, it’s hard to find any unused space on that whole campus.

It's a space within the Edison building that was not fully finished out, that can be turned into additional classrooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why the overcomplexity? Leave kids in the school they are closest to instead of bringing them by bus to places farther out.

agree

Many kids are not currently assigned to the school that is closest. It is impossible to do this for every family.

but why make it worse?

Did nobody tell you that several high schools in MoCo are overcrowded and they built two new high schools to address that? Many children are going to have to change schools and some will have to travel further. I agree it is unfortunate, but sometimes, life is not fair. Maybe when you grow up and have a mortgage, you will understand.

Some of the bussing is “for demographics”. These children would be better served if the funds used for bussing them would be put into their school to make it stronger and help them with specific challenges they may have. Forcing demographics does nothing for them.

100% agree. Forcing demographics just means there will be segregation within the school btw high performing students and low performing. It isn’t like elementary school where the kids will be in a class together all day. This will just be the AP/honors kids together and the regular/remedial. On paper it will make certain low performing schools look better on test scores, but it will do nothing to help all the struggling students. That can’t be fixed with bussing.

I thought it was honors for all except for math and until they get to AP?

I think there is regular and honors English starting in 9th grade in addition to English for ELL students. Also, by 10th grade a lot of kids are taking a bunch of AP classes. I don’t think kids will be very mixed in at all. Plus, at the W schools many kids are in their 3rd or 4th year of a language, so are taking advanced levels of that.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what the Wheaton community thinks the best solution is? Different matriculation pattern or sounds like adding on isn’t possible with the distance between buildings? FLO analytics kept mentioning the Edison building and sounds like that is not helpful? Seems like FLO has a disconnect on this point.

The Wheaton cluster coordinator's testimony in 2023 :

"there is a quick and practical solution to our overcrowding
problem that has yet to be utilized - an unfinished shell located within the
Thomas Edison building. Our Community strongly urges MCPS to build
out and finish that shell so that both Wheaton and Thomas Edison can
use that space to accommodate our growing population."

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CXCN955EC89E/$file/Narissa%20Johnson%20-%202023%20CIP%20Testimony%20.pdf

It takes years to find something like that and it wouldn’t work as the distance is too far in less they arranged specific students and basically segregated them.

Huh? It's literally there in the Edison building.

I think PP meant fund, not find.

If it were so easy why not do it this summer? Oh, because it will be years before a project like this is approved, planned and designed, let alone built.

FLO Analytics mentioned this Edison shell space during the presentation last week, which means MCPS CO staff must have told them about it as an option under consideration. We can keep an eye out for this fall's CIP to see if it's included. If so, that could be a clue to how Taylor is leaning.

What is “shell space”? Looking at Google maps, it’s hard to find any unused space on that whole campus.

It's a space within the Edison building that was not fully finished out, that can be turned into additional classrooms.

The Wheaton cluster coordinator reiterated this same request this past November:

"A solution to our problem is a relatively straightforward one. There is an unfinished shell located within the Thomas Edison building that could be finished, furnished, and used to help alleviate the pressure in the main building. This is such a simple solution that is practically staring us in the face and begging to be signed off on. Our Community strongly urges MCPS to finish that shell so that both Wheaton High School and Thomas Edison can use that space to accommodate our growing population."

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DAPLL557061C/$file/Narissa%20Johnson%20-%20Wheaton%20Cluster%20-%20CIP%20Testimony.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why the overcomplexity? Leave kids in the school they are closest to instead of bringing them by bus to places farther out.

agree

Many kids are not currently assigned to the school that is closest. It is impossible to do this for every family.

but why make it worse?

Did nobody tell you that several high schools in MoCo are overcrowded and they built two new high schools to address that? Many children are going to have to change schools and some will have to travel further. I agree it is unfortunate, but sometimes, life is not fair. Maybe when you grow up and have a mortgage, you will understand.

Some of the bussing is “for demographics”. These children would be better served if the funds used for bussing them would be put into their school to make it stronger and help them with specific challenges they may have. Forcing demographics does nothing for them.

100% agree. Forcing demographics just means there will be segregation within the school btw high performing students and low performing. It isn’t like elementary school where the kids will be in a class together all day. This will just be the AP/honors kids together and the regular/remedial. On paper it will make certain low performing schools look better on test scores, but it will do nothing to help all the struggling students. That can’t be fixed with bussing.

It means that our smart kids who have very limited access to Ap will have even less.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why the overcomplexity? Leave kids in the school they are closest to instead of bringing them by bus to places farther out.

agree

Many kids are not currently assigned to the school that is closest. It is impossible to do this for every family.

but why make it worse?

Did nobody tell you that several high schools in MoCo are overcrowded and they built two new high schools to address that? Many children are going to have to change schools and some will have to travel further. I agree it is unfortunate, but sometimes, life is not fair. Maybe when you grow up and have a mortgage, you will understand.

Some of the bussing is “for demographics”. These children would be better served if the funds used for bussing them would be put into their school to make it stronger and help them with specific challenges they may have. Forcing demographics does nothing for them.

100% agree. Forcing demographics just means there will be segregation within the school btw high performing students and low performing. It isn’t like elementary school where the kids will be in a class together all day. This will just be the AP/honors kids together and the regular/remedial. On paper it will make certain low performing schools look better on test scores, but it will do nothing to help all the struggling students. That can’t be fixed with bussing.

I thought it was honors for all except for math and until they get to AP?

I think there is regular and honors English starting in 9th grade in addition to English for ELL students. Also, by 10th grade a lot of kids are taking a bunch of AP classes. I don’t think kids will be very mixed in at all. Plus, at the W schools many kids are in their 3rd or 4th year of a language, so are taking advanced levels of that.

At all schools kids can start a language in 6th. And, start algebra in 6 or 7th. But stating that early is bad if the school does not have enough math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To solve this problem, they really should be moving elementary school boundaries too. Start with that first. Otherwise, it’s all mess with so many split articulations.

Absolutely agree, the whole idea of not including elementary school makes no sense. So many elementary school zones are geographically large and shifts on the edges could help address all factors and make the weirdness and splits significantly lower.

They also are trying to be way too ambitious. Woodward should start with addressing WJ and the other very overcrowded nearby schools.

Crown should stick to QO RM Gaithersburg NW and Wootton. Make things the least disruptive as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Farmland Elementary is 1.7 miles to the new Woodward High and 1.1 miles to Tilden Middle (walking distances - which means limited bus cost required).

Option 3 has Farmland going to Parkland Middle (5+ miles driving) and Kennedy High (6+ miles driving). This will cause disruption for students, increased cost for the County to bus students, and is not proximate. Three of the four priorities of the Boundary Study are NOT supported.

It is important for students and parents to be located close to schools/work. Shorter commutes result in more happiness and life satisfaction (NIH).

And miles are misleading. During rush hour and school bus hours you could easily spend 5 mins to drive 1 mile.