much like my children- I don't think you understand what 'bullying' is. bullying involves a power differential. Parents begging the school system to reopen because they could see the harm that the closure was causing- not bullying.
Parents expressing loudly such demands? also not bullying.
You keep on saying APE were 'bullies.' But you haven't actually come up with any actual examples. I think in your mind- teachers concerns about 'health' were legitimate- so any expression of that- no matter how distastefully made- was acceptable.
But you didn't find parents concerns about their children being kept out of school to be 'legitimate,' so expression of that was unacceptable.
much like my children- I don't think you understand what 'bullying' is. bullying involves a power differential. Parents begging the school system to reopen because they could see the harm that the closure was causing- not bullying.
Parents expressing loudly such demands? also not bullying.
You keep on saying APE were 'bullies.' But you haven't actually come up with any actual examples. I think in your mind- teachers concerns about 'health' were legitimate- so any expression of that- no matter how distastefully made- was acceptable.
But you didn't find parents concerns about their children being kept out of school to be 'legitimate,' so expression of that was unacceptable.
There was that picture of Duran, allegedly drawn by an APE member's elementary aged child. Coming out of "Duran's" mouth were things like "I hate children." Miranda not only didn't try to distance herself from that picture, but she laughed at it and commented to someone else that she thought it was funny. Disqualifying behavior for a SB member? not necessarily, but it doesn't make me keen to vote for her.
much like my children- I don't think you understand what 'bullying' is. bullying involves a power differential. Parents begging the school system to reopen because they could see the harm that the closure was causing- not bullying.
Parents expressing loudly such demands? also not bullying.
You keep on saying APE were 'bullies.' But you haven't actually come up with any actual examples. I think in your mind- teachers concerns about 'health' were legitimate- so any expression of that- no matter how distastefully made- was acceptable.
But you didn't find parents concerns about their children being kept out of school to be 'legitimate,' so expression of that was unacceptable.
So you are saying that parents were simply loud and teachers were distasteful?
LOL. Dude, we were all there. Don't try to rewrite history.
much like my children- I don't think you understand what 'bullying' is. bullying involves a power differential. Parents begging the school system to reopen because they could see the harm that the closure was causing- not bullying.
Parents expressing loudly such demands? also not bullying.
You keep on saying APE were 'bullies.' But you haven't actually come up with any actual examples. I think in your mind- teachers concerns about 'health' were legitimate- so any expression of that- no matter how distastefully made- was acceptable.
But you didn't find parents concerns about their children being kept out of school to be 'legitimate,' so expression of that was unacceptable.
There was that picture of Duran, allegedly drawn by an APE member's elementary aged child. Coming out of "Duran's" mouth were things like "I hate children." Miranda not only didn't try to distance herself from that picture, but she laughed at it and commented to someone else that she thought it was funny. Disqualifying behavior for a SB member? not necessarily, but it doesn't make me keen to vote for her.
I mean… it is kind of funny. It sounds like something that would be in one of the graphic novels my kid reads.
Do you have any other examples of the lasting harm caused by APE generally and Miranda personally?
Anonymous wrote:In case anyone is wondering how APS teachers feel about a specific group of parents, here is an APS teacher (now former) who put her name on it --
At first, when schools moved to online instruction in the spring of 2020 and parents saw firsthand the hardships teachers were enduring, plaudits poured in for the educators showing remarkable commitment to their profession in a difficult situation they had never trained for. Virtual teaching took much more time to prepare, execute and evaluate. And because students were often not required to turn on their cameras, it was a lot like teaching into a void. But as time crawled on and schools remained closed to in-person instruction, parents became critical, even angry. The hostility parents leveled against teachers was astonishing. In September 2021 alone, 30,000 public school teachers nationwide gave notice. Between August 2020 and August 2021, Florida’s teacher vacancies surged 67 percent, according to a count by the Florida Education Association. In 2021, California’s largest district, Los Angeles Unified, had five times the number of vacancies as in previous years, according to Shannon Haber, a spokeswoman for the district. The number of retirements skyrocketed, and I joined the exodus. I was within a couple of years of my target retirement date, but I left earlier than planned because of the mounting stress around the pandemic and an ever-increasing workload.
The raw, misdirected hostility towards teachers was so crazy. I’m still shocked by what some parents did.
My kid was on teams **in class** when a parent interrupted and started screaming and cursing at the teacher. In front of all of the kids!!! The teacher handled it well, but WTAF?!
Yup. And then a lot of parents who were angry about schools closing took their kids out of APS and left for private schools, including one of our school bd candidates, so this is a problem they created for others to deal with.
I don't know how we repair the damage they did.
Certainly not by choosing a SB member who thought their actions were acceptable enough to partner with them.
What a slap in the face that would be to our teachers.
*OR* maybe our teachers would be thrilled to have a SB member lobbying for higher pay and smaller class sizes?
Everyone wants these things. But OK, I'll bite. Just how does she plan to pay for that?
How does ANYone plan to pay for them?
Well since you said this is Miranda's platform, does she have an actual plan to pay for them or are they just empty words?
I didn't say that. Different people commenting. Question stands. How does anyone plan to pay for these things? AEM people constantly griping about teacher salaries and calling for raises to compensate for inflation AND step increases. How do they propose paying for them????
the AEM commenters are not running for the school board. Miranda is. Someone said she's advocating for these things and said that in a good way, like we should vote for her for that reason. So then people asked how she plans to pay for it. and then.... crickets.
That is evidence that it isn't a simple problem to solve. If nobody else in this collective of highly educated, all-knowing Arlington community can come up with a solution or even suggestions, it's unrealistic to expect a local SB candidate would fare much better. Throw out some ideas to her and see what she thinks of them.
I'll take this as an admission that she doesn't have her own ideas. pass.
Her website and newsletter seem to have plenty of specifics. She wants APS to release the class size report. Parents and teachers in dcum and AEM have complained about classes being over the max sizes. Why won’t APS release the report? She asked for an independent auditor. The last one got fired after giving a bad report on VLP. She asked for APS to reverse the extra paid holidays that syphax is getting. Added by duran last year and Teachers don’t get paid for those. She’s asked for county help for mental health supports. She arranged a forum with a county board member on the same.
She’s clued in, paying attention and has specific ideas.
So how specifically was she going to pay for higher teacher salary and smaller class size? Those syphax holidays won’t cover it.
Bet those syphax holidays cost more than you think.
When she was on APE board, they asked for an increase in revenue sharing to help pay for smaller class sizes and more teacher pay. Letter is on their website. Most anyone who pays attention in Arlington knows this is what's going to have to happen. Arlington county provides a smaller percent of revenues to APS that surrounding counties//school systems. But the reality is if you aren't paying attention to the small stuff like having an independent auditor or adding a ridiculous amount of paid holidays, you won't ever be able to do the big stuff even if the County forks over more money.
Is that her current position?
How much overlap does she have with APE positions?
Ask her. She's not listed on the APE board anymore. But her newsletter and website have alot of specifics of someone paying attention to details.
So no solutions. Just talk.
I’m going with the kid who didn’t lead APE.
You: I want specifics
Me: Here are specifics
You: Not those specifics. See I told you she was no solutions.
The question was what is her plan to pay for teacher salary increases and smaller classrooms. That was never answered.
+ 1.
Still waaaaiitting
Multiple posts have provided specific ideas that she has flagged that would be cost savings or bring in more revenue. I'm worried about your reading comprehension. In any case, forums start soon and you can directly ask then. But doesn't seem like you are paying much attention to the details in any case.
No people asked multiple times how she would pay for them, and which programs she would cut to pay for her ideas which are quite expensive. The only answer given was ask for more money. Uh yeah, who doesn't want to ask for more money? That's not a very solid plan.
so I ask again, what is she proposing to cut? And I don't expect a real answer.
And yet you still lack reading comprehension. PPs gave specific examples of possible COST SAVINGS as well
As specifics for asking for more money. It will have to be both for APS.
Huh? Taking away a few days of holidays from syphax wouldn’t come close to covering teacher raises and smaller classrooms. Maybe math isn’t her strong point?
What IS her strong point? Leading the most abusive and divisive group APS has ever seen? Making our teachers quit? Ruining our public school system?
Yes, she single-handedly is making our teachers quit and ruining our whole public school system. The "adults" who perpetrated vitriolic behavior have had nothing to do with any of it; nor the poor leadership from Central office, or the stresses of the pandemic itself; or the risk/fear of having something you do or say taken out of context and blown out of proportion; or academic standards being lowered and not being trusted to teach an appropriate curriculum; or finally deciding the rewards of teaching just no longer outweigh the negatives; or, or, or, or,.....
The fact that she aligned herself for years with those "adults who perpetrated vitriolic behavior" says all we need to know about her. Her actions indicate that she believes that bullying teachers, staff, and parents is acceptable behavior. Not really someone who should be working with teachers, staff, and parents in any sort of official role. DP.
You are are also perpetuating poor behavior. When will you stop?
No, I'm not. And I'm not running for SB.
PP is calling out bad behavior by a candidate for school board. Clearly you want us to ignore that. Sorry, we won't.
Yes, I'm that PP. Calling out bad behavior is not bad behavior.
Obsessively posting on this thread about MT's secret mission to takedown APS is bad behavior.
Has anyone actually done that? I haven't.
Here's what I said:
The fact that she aligned herself for years with those "adults who perpetrated vitriolic behavior" says all we need to know about her. Her actions indicate that she believes that bullying teachers, staff, and parents is acceptable behavior. Not really someone who should be working with teachers, staff, and parents in any sort of official role.
Some priests are child molesters = all priests are/support child molesters. Medical professionals "associate" with boorish peers and rude patients = all medical professionals are/support boorish and rude people. Trump is a sexist adulterer = all Republicans who voted for Trump are/support sexist adulterers. Teachers interact with rude students and rude demanding parents = teachers find such behavior acceptable.
Trump voters think his sexism and adultery was acceptable behavior since they still voted for him.
No one forced her to lead this group. She made that choice herself.
Yup this is apples and oranges. Miranda is not just any parent. She CHOSE to found, organize and lead a group of parents with certain views and and agenda, and who took certain actions.
Is she now trying to back away from that? Sure looks like it.
much like my children- I don't think you understand what 'bullying' is. bullying involves a power differential. Parents begging the school system to reopen because they could see the harm that the closure was causing- not bullying.
Parents expressing loudly such demands? also not bullying.
You keep on saying APE were 'bullies.' But you haven't actually come up with any actual examples. I think in your mind- teachers concerns about 'health' were legitimate- so any expression of that- no matter how distastefully made- was acceptable.
But you didn't find parents concerns about their children being kept out of school to be 'legitimate,' so expression of that was unacceptable.
Ha! I understand bullying. Either you are being purposely dense to try to deny what APE did, or you are not aware of what APE did to teachers during the pandemic.
much like my children- I don't think you understand what 'bullying' is. bullying involves a power differential. Parents begging the school system to reopen because they could see the harm that the closure was causing- not bullying.
Parents expressing loudly such demands? also not bullying.
You keep on saying APE were 'bullies.' But you haven't actually come up with any actual examples. I think in your mind- teachers concerns about 'health' were legitimate- so any expression of that- no matter how distastefully made- was acceptable.
But you didn't find parents concerns about their children being kept out of school to be 'legitimate,' so expression of that was unacceptable.
There was that picture of Duran, allegedly drawn by an APE member's elementary aged child. Coming out of "Duran's" mouth were things like "I hate children." Miranda not only didn't try to distance herself from that picture, but she laughed at it and commented to someone else that she thought it was funny. Disqualifying behavior for a SB member? not necessarily, but it doesn't make me keen to vote for her.
Well, that will be awwwwwkwaard for Miranda. It's certainly not professional.
So tell me again how Miranda wasn't part of the APE hate. Right.
Anonymous wrote:This thread really needs to be closed.
People discuss school board candidates. Get used to it.
Haahaha, I guess the Miranda camp can't handle any criticism. I can't wait until she's on the board and then she has to take all the sh*t that her peeps have been dishing out for the past 3 years.
Anonymous wrote:This thread really needs to be closed.
People discuss school board candidates. Get used to it.
Lived in Arlington for 20 something years and have four DCs attend AND some even now teach in APS. This thread goes way beyond discussion of SB candidates.
Anonymous wrote:This thread really needs to be closed.
People discuss school board candidates. Get used to it.
Lived in Arlington for 20 something years and have four DCs attend AND some even now teach in APS. This thread goes way beyond discussion of SB candidates.
AEM is slow these days. All the normal people have fled so there’s no one to argue with.
Anonymous wrote:This thread really needs to be closed.
People discuss school board candidates. Get used to it.
Lived in Arlington for 20 something years and have four DCs attend AND some even now teach in APS. This thread goes way beyond discussion of SB candidates.
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