Teachers Resigning Like Crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the pandemic virtual consequences isn’t so much the screens but the laziness. Kids got used to being at home, being in PJs, laying in the couch and having Monday “off.” Even now many kids aren’t fully back in the routine of school and work.

Nope. Nice try.

I just meant it’s not all screens. But they also were on other screens a lot more and got more addicted.

Because schools were closed.

Pandemic virtual consequences are actually that some teachers became even lazier. They now simply pop up some slides for the kids to do and don’t actually teach. If you can believe it, we had a teacher last year that refused to give any hard copies of handouts/readings to the class. Every single thing was online. She made the kids go on Schoology to do every single thing, even when it wasn’t appropriate to be in that format.

Don't be shocked when these "lazy" teachers resign.

One of those “lazy” teachers just put in 2 weeks and won’t return after spring break; they got a job doing corporate training for a major company that’s offering an immediate 30% pay increase, WFH 2-3 days per weeks, much better healthcare. I guess that company didn’t check with DCUM to before hiring though- clearly the keyboard warriors here know something they don’t!

Basically lower $/hour since they won't get all the time off, and they lose their pension.

Yawn. You keep trotting out this same insipid, tired line because you are desperate to perpetuate the fiction that your kids’ teachers can’t quit because they don’t have better options.

[Anonymous]

Year 30 might even be a low number of years. I started in ‘93 and need to get to 33 years for full, unreduced pension benefits with the county’s pension. I am under the “rule of 80” for the state, but younger teachers have to get to 90 (combined age and years of service).

Oh god, thanks for this info, I had no idea. I don't think I can hang in there to get to 90.

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The US needs to reduce school hours. It’s ridiculous how many hours kids and teachers are at school, especially in elementary. There is so much fluff because no one can concentrate for that long. American teachers spend more time in the classroom than those in most other developed nations.

[Anonymous]

Empirical evidence about teacher turnover in Virginia has not matched the hand wringing.

With the economy heading south, its clear that most decision makers are also not worried. Parents, don't lose sleep over this.

[Anonymous]

Data from Fairfax County:

https://public.tableau.com/views/Retention_27/TeacherRetention?%3Alanguage=en-US&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link%3AshowVizHome

In 2019-2020, FCPS had a 93% teacher retention rate. In 2021-22, they had an 89.2% retention rate. Not fantastic, but also by no means dooms-day. Given what I've seen of school board meetings, it looks like the 2022-23 teacher retention numbers will be back to where they were before the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

Data showing that teacher quality (as measured by % of teachers with a Masters degree) has not declined.

https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/-FAIRFAX-COUNTY-PUBLIC-SCHOOLS#desktopTabs-7

[Anonymous]

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Year 30 might even be a low number of years. I started in ‘93 and need to get to 33 years for full, unreduced pension benefits with the county’s pension. I am under the “rule of 80” for the state, but younger teachers have to get to 90 (combined age and years of service).

Oh god, thanks for this info, I had no idea. I don't think I can hang in there to get to 90.

Yep.
For those who started teaching in fall 2010 or later:
Earliest Unreduced Retirement Eligibility
You become eligible for an unreduced retirement benefit when you reach your normal Social Security retirement age and have at least five years (60 months) of service credit or when your age and service equal 90. Example: Age 60 with 30 years of service credit.

https://www.varetire.org/pdf/publications/vrs-plans-comparison.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Data from Fairfax County:

https://public.tableau.com/views/Retention_27/TeacherRetention?%3Alanguage=en-US&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link%3AshowVizHome

In 2019-2020, FCPS had a 93% teacher retention rate. In 2021-22, they had an 89.2% retention rate. Not fantastic, but also by no means dooms-day. Given what I've seen of school board meetings, it looks like the 2022-23 teacher retention numbers will be back to where they were before the pandemic.

What? There will be a few thousand open positions next year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Data from Fairfax County:

https://public.tableau.com/views/Retention_27/TeacherRetention?%3Alanguage=en-US&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link%3AshowVizHome

In 2019-2020, FCPS had a 93% teacher retention rate. In 2021-22, they had an 89.2% retention rate. Not fantastic, but also by no means dooms-day. Given what I've seen of school board meetings, it looks like the 2022-23 teacher retention numbers will be back to where they were before the pandemic.

What? There will be a few thousand open positions next year.

Yes, FCPS is a big school system. The number of open positions will be in thousands, just like they are in a normal year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the pandemic virtual consequences isn’t so much the screens but the laziness. Kids got used to being at home, being in PJs, laying in the couch and having Monday “off.” Even now many kids aren’t fully back in the routine of school and work.

Nope. Nice try.

I just meant it’s not all screens. But they also were on other screens a lot more and got more addicted.

Because schools were closed.

Pandemic virtual consequences are actually that some teachers became even lazier. They now simply pop up some slides for the kids to do and don’t actually teach. If you can believe it, we had a teacher last year that refused to give any hard copies of handouts/readings to the class. Every single thing was online. She made the kids go on Schoology to do every single thing, even when it wasn’t appropriate to be in that format.

Don't be shocked when these "lazy" teachers resign.

One of those “lazy” teachers just put in 2 weeks and won’t return after spring break; they got a job doing corporate training for a major company that’s offering an immediate 30% pay increase, WFH 2-3 days per weeks, much better healthcare. I guess that company didn’t check with DCUM to before hiring though- clearly the keyboard warriors here know something they don’t!

Basically lower $/hour since they won't get all the time off, and they lose their pension.

It’s not a traditional “full pension” with FCPS. Employees can switch jobs and it’s essentially like another 401k.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Data from Fairfax County:

https://public.tableau.com/views/Retention_27/TeacherRetention?%3Alanguage=en-US&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link%3AshowVizHome

In 2019-2020, FCPS had a 93% teacher retention rate. In 2021-22, they had an 89.2% retention rate. Not fantastic, but also by no means dooms-day. Given what I've seen of school board meetings, it looks like the 2022-23 teacher retention numbers will be back to where they were before the pandemic.

What? There will be a few thousand open positions next year.

Yes, FCPS is a big school system. The number of open positions will be in thousands, just like they are in a normal year.

But they won’t all get filled (again).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Data showing that teacher quality (as measured by % of teachers with a Masters degree) has not declined.

https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/-FAIRFAX-COUNTY-PUBLIC-SCHOOLS#desktopTabs-7

Having a masters degree is definitely not an indicator of teach quality… well, at least not to anybody who actually works in classrooms. It may be an indicator to central office types simply because it’s easy to measure.

I’ve worked with amazing teachers with BAs and dreadful teachers with masters degrees.

Teaching is, in some ways, an art. Your degree doesn’t help you communicate complicated information to children and teenagers. That requires communication skills, entertainment skills, and a good bit of persuasion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Data from Fairfax County:

https://public.tableau.com/views/Retention_27/TeacherRetention?%3Alanguage=en-US&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link%3AshowVizHome

In 2019-2020, FCPS had a 93% teacher retention rate. In 2021-22, they had an 89.2% retention rate. Not fantastic, but also by no means dooms-day. Given what I've seen of school board meetings, it looks like the 2022-23 teacher retention numbers will be back to where they were before the pandemic.

What? There will be a few thousand open positions next year.

Yes, FCPS is a big school system. The number of open positions will be in thousands, just like they are in a normal year.

But they won’t all get filled (again).

Yep. When my school wasn't fully staffed in August, they pulled some of the job listings to combine classes or otherwise find workarounds. So we looked fully staffed when we were not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Data from Fairfax County:

https://public.tableau.com/views/Retention_27/TeacherRetention?%3Alanguage=en-US&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link%3AshowVizHome

In 2019-2020, FCPS had a 93% teacher retention rate. In 2021-22, they had an 89.2% retention rate. Not fantastic, but also by no means dooms-day. Given what I've seen of school board meetings, it looks like the 2022-23 teacher retention numbers will be back to where they were before the pandemic.

What? There will be a few thousand open positions next year.

Yes, FCPS is a big school system. The number of open positions will be in thousands, just like they are in a normal year.

But they won’t all get filled (again).

Yep. When my school wasn't fully staffed in August, they pulled some of the job listings to combine classes or otherwise find workarounds. So we looked fully staffed when we were not.

OK... is that some sort of new/unique thing or different in terms of prevalence county-wide, or is that standard operating procedure and you just weren't as aware/attuned to it previously?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Data from Fairfax County:

https://public.tableau.com/views/Retention_27/TeacherRetention?%3Alanguage=en-US&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link%3AshowVizHome

In 2019-2020, FCPS had a 93% teacher retention rate. In 2021-22, they had an 89.2% retention rate. Not fantastic, but also by no means dooms-day. Given what I've seen of school board meetings, it looks like the 2022-23 teacher retention numbers will be back to where they were before the pandemic.

What? There will be a few thousand open positions next year.

Yes, FCPS is a big school system. The number of open positions will be in thousands, just like they are in a normal year.

But they won’t all get filled (again).

Yep. When my school wasn't fully staffed in August, they pulled some of the job listings to combine classes or otherwise find workarounds. So we looked fully staffed when we were not.

OK... is that some sort of new/unique thing or different in terms of prevalence county-wide, or is that standard operating procedure and you just weren't as aware/attuned to it previously?

DP but a lot of schools had unfilled positions. dr. R was spinning it. This year was bad and it’s only going to get worse.