Two of my kids’ 3 teachers won’t be in tomorrow

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Anonymous wrote:APS teacher here. I am in meetings for usually 5 hours on Mondays. I spend 2-3 hours with my language arts team planning and preparing the comi week’s (or the week after if we are ahead) lessons, assignments, and recordings. So, we aren’t continuously live that whole time. Then in the afternoon we meet as a grade level team and review the planned lessons each person did for the week with the team so we are all prepared to teach it as well as discuss assessments, scheduling for interventions, projects coming up. Then I also work preparing things on my own and working on IEPs or other paperwork (I’m a special Ed teacher for this grade level).

APS changed their plan for tomorrow just a few weeks ago, and some teachers, like MANY students, will still be traveling back and not able to hold synchronous classes tomorrow. You wouldn’t know if they had taken the day of asynchronous but it was likely already planned in advance. Sorry yea hers don’t get to take their earned leave in your view.

When did all this stuff occur prior to Asych Mondays? Did it just happen after the school day? I am just curious.

One thing you should understand is how much work related to teaching is expected to be done on our own time. There is quite literally not enough time in the contract hours to do it all. Yes there is “planning time” - that is usually when you have CLT meetings or PD they make us do once a month or an IEP meeting. Yes, meetings also occur before and after school. For example I have a department meeting tomorrow morning at 8 am. Faculty meetings were always after school on the first Tuesday of the month or whatever. Lesson planning and grading - the assumption is you’ll do it at home. And I used to, but I don’t anymore. If I can’t teach, grade, plan, pull data, give IEP feedback, attend meetings and trainings in the contracted hours, they gave me too much to do. I do absolutely zero work outside of contract any longer because I’m done doing work for free. It gets done on contract time, however many days that takes.

Wow. And this is the difference between public and private school teachers. I’ve always wondered why private school teachers are so good and part of it seems they have such a work ethic. They bring stacks of papers home with them, sit in their beds or at their dining table or on their sofas and grade, grade, grade. They read long essays and research reports. They give VERY detailed and thoughtful feedback and comments. They spend their own $$ often and they spend hours outside of school hours planning.

It’s what teachers DO, for godsakes!! It’s been this way forever. It’s how my own public school teachers used to be as well. Why even go into teaching, if you don’t want to grade on weekends or in evenings?

First of all, we are all doing that. There’s one teacher on here saying she doesn’t, and, God bless her, I don’t know how it’s humanly possible to complete the functions of her job. Second, there are people on here comparing working outside hours in their professional jobs to those of educators. Nope. Don’t do it. You don’t even come close. Lastly, while I do, indeed, cover the dining room table, sit in bed with the laptop, and work constantly- I think you are disgusting to EXPECT that. My kids are important, too. Summer is usually when I make it all up to them. Except last summer, because I was learning how to turn all of this fabulous textbook information you speak of into a virtual platform. Some people. I really just can’t believe that- that you EXPECT it.

THEY EXPECT IT BECAUSE YOU DO IT! Stop doing it if you don’t want people to think that’s the expectation they should have of you! I’ll be damned I’m wasting my unpaid summer working for free. Come on.

This is really it
A lot of angry ppl itt thinking teachers should work for free because it's a "higher calling" or some stupid BS like that

+1,0000. And name a male-dominated profession with the same ridiculous expectations thrust upon its members.

Talk to any general family doctor operating in the insurance-based system. And they don't get paid that much anymore after years of specialized training. Tons of "uncompensated" work charting.

Teachers are delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:My 7th grader (WMS) will have PE and Art in-person today.. Science and English are both remote.. Glad to see we are prioritizing in-person learning..

Teachers - there is lno excuse to not be in school if you are fully vaccinated and not getting anywhere near the kids. Sorry to sound harsh, but I'm so fed up with this ridiculousness.

Just stop.

No.. This is ridiculous. Teachers that are fully vaccinated should resign if they refuse to teach in-person. The teachers that remain remote better damn hope they are never seen in a restaurant, going on a trip, in a group setting, etc etc

The WMS teachers that are "remote" are temporary until a permanent sub is found. Guess what? There are NO subs! So if they resign, your kid is even more screwed than they are now with an actual experienced teacher who is working from home.

such a joke..

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There are a lot of them. How about construction and project management in construction? All sorts of random hours. Feast or famine. Some times you work tons of hours, sometimes you don't.

In this country, professional workers are not bound by a 9 to 5 set of hours. They are not covered under FLSA. Most of them are regularly asked to complete work outside of normal hours and there is no requirement to compensate them with overtime. Those are facts.

With the hourly rates teachers get paid given the number of days off in a year, teaching is not even a particularly low paid profession.

It is what it is. Acting like teachers are somehow uniquely "taken advantage" of is just not reality. We all have ebbs and flows in our work. Times of the year that are extra busy and we put in extra hours. Vacations where we are available and work because work goes on while we are on "vacation" and people need us for things.

I can see that the teaching profession has some pretty unique rigidity in terms of inability to choose your vacation schedule, lack of flexibility with your time during in-session school days. That must be challenging. Also, you get A LOT of time off free and clear. Every profession has pros and cons.

Also, sincerely if it's so terrible, re-train and get another profession. See if the grass is greener.

I can attest to this -- spouse works in construction management for large commercial projects - I don't think he has EVER worked only 40 hours a week. I work as an engineer in an environmental discipline and have always been expected to put in extra hours when required (proposals, deadline crunches, etc.). No extra pay, no guaranteed bonuses. This past year, we have both continued full speed with our work, while picking up the slack of APS and trying to make sure our kids don't fall too far behind. It has been absolutely exhausting. I have actually considered going into teaching just so that I can take more than a few days of leave at a time. The pay cut and "extra" hours during the school year would absolutely be worth being able to take 8 continuous weeks off in the summer. Two weeks at Christmas, a week spring break? Snow days? I haven't been able to take off more than 1 week off at a time for the past 15 years.

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There are a lot of them. How about construction and project management in construction? All sorts of random hours. Feast or famine. Some times you work tons of hours, sometimes you don't.

In this country, professional workers are not bound by a 9 to 5 set of hours. They are not covered under FLSA. Most of them are regularly asked to complete work outside of normal hours and there is no requirement to compensate them with overtime. Those are facts.

With the hourly rates teachers get paid given the number of days off in a year, teaching is not even a particularly low paid profession.

It is what it is. Acting like teachers are somehow uniquely "taken advantage" of is just not reality. We all have ebbs and flows in our work. Times of the year that are extra busy and we put in extra hours. Vacations where we are available and work because work goes on while we are on "vacation" and people need us for things.

I can see that the teaching profession has some pretty unique rigidity in terms of inability to choose your vacation schedule, lack of flexibility with your time during in-session school days. That must be challenging. Also, you get A LOT of time off free and clear. Every profession has pros and cons.

Also, sincerely if it's so terrible, re-train and get another profession. See if the grass is greener.

I can attest to this -- spouse works in construction management for large commercial projects - I don't think he has EVER worked only 40 hours a week. I work as an engineer in an environmental discipline and have always been expected to put in extra hours when required (proposals, deadline crunches, etc.). No extra pay, no guaranteed bonuses. This past year, we have both continued full speed with our work, while picking up the slack of APS and trying to make sure our kids don't fall too far behind. It has been absolutely exhausting. I have actually considered going into teaching just so that I can take more than a few days of leave at a time. The pay cut and "extra" hours during the school year would absolutely be worth being able to take 8 continuous weeks off in the summer. Two weeks at Christmas, a week spring break? Snow days? I haven't been able to take off more than 1 week off at a time for the past 15 years.

this is the reality that is so frustrating right now.. most people are working full time, plus teaching their kids because APS can't get it's act together.

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Lotta crab bucket mentality itt.

People, the US puritanical-Capitalist system got you by the balls. You all think just because something sucks, but it's commonplace, that makes it A-OK


It don't.

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Anonymous wrote:Lotta crab bucket mentality itt.

People, the US puritanical-Capitalist system got you by the balls. You all think just because something sucks, but it's commonplace, that makes it A-OK


It don't.

And this is why I am considering going in to teaching. Only problem is that I recognize that I would be a terrible teacher (no patience, little appetite for the tomfoolery of children). But according to some of the teachers on this board -- maybe that doesn't matter? I can clock in my hours and bounce. It's sounding pretty appealing right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Lotta crab bucket mentality itt.

People, the US puritanical-Capitalist system got you by the balls. You all think just because something sucks, but it's commonplace, that makes it A-OK


It don't.

And this is why I am considering going in to teaching. Only problem is that I recognize that I would be a terrible teacher (no patience, little appetite for the tomfoolery of children). But according to some of the teachers on this board -- maybe that doesn't matter? I can clock in my hours and bounce. It's sounding pretty appealing right now.

That's a weird takeaway, ngl.

Maybe I just saw it as some teachers here don't want to be exploited for their work, but hey, you've got others here saying it's OK to be exploited because it's normal. It's okay to be exploited because the ends justify the means. One person here literally says it's ok because they are a doctor and it's under a private health insurance industry, people who literally let people get sick and die for profit. And that none of that is exploitation.

But If you want a job where you need to get educated, trained, licensed, be miserable all day because you hate everything about it because you work less, you do you.

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There are a lot of them. How about construction and project management in construction? All sorts of random hours. Feast or famine. Some times you work tons of hours, sometimes you don't.

In this country, professional workers are not bound by a 9 to 5 set of hours. They are not covered under FLSA. Most of them are regularly asked to complete work outside of normal hours and there is no requirement to compensate them with overtime. Those are facts.

With the hourly rates teachers get paid given the number of days off in a year, teaching is not even a particularly low paid profession.

It is what it is. Acting like teachers are somehow uniquely "taken advantage" of is just not reality. We all have ebbs and flows in our work. Times of the year that are extra busy and we put in extra hours. Vacations where we are available and work because work goes on while we are on "vacation" and people need us for things.

I can see that the teaching profession has some pretty unique rigidity in terms of inability to choose your vacation schedule, lack of flexibility with your time during in-session school days. That must be challenging. Also, you get A LOT of time off free and clear. Every profession has pros and cons.

Also, sincerely if it's so terrible, re-train and get another profession. See if the grass is greener.

I can attest to this -- spouse works in construction management for large commercial projects - I don't think he has EVER worked only 40 hours a week. I work as an engineer in an environmental discipline and have always been expected to put in extra hours when required (proposals, deadline crunches, etc.). No extra pay, no guaranteed bonuses. This past year, we have both continued full speed with our work, while picking up the slack of APS and trying to make sure our kids don't fall too far behind. It has been absolutely exhausting. I have actually considered going into teaching just so that I can take more than a few days of leave at a time. The pay cut and "extra" hours during the school year would absolutely be worth being able to take 8 continuous weeks off in the summer. Two weeks at Christmas, a week spring break? Snow days? I haven't been able to take off more than 1 week off at a time for the past 15 years.

this is the reality that is so frustrating right now.. most people are working full time, plus teaching their kids because APS can't get it's act together.

I completely agree with teachers that APS administration has been a shit show with constantly changing communications. But I refuse to accept that APS teachers have been exploited or gotten the short end of the stick this year. They've gotten way more consideration and protections than many, many, many other professions. We all had to transition to digital OR we had to work in person, pre-vaccine, with fear of getting sick.

My husband works in a government facility that took lousy COVID precautions with many significant outbreaks. He still had to work in person all the way through, and then would return home where I was high risk. Meanwhile, teachers were vaccinated first and then refuse to teach my 7 yo in person (not due to ADA, but our principal's policy). My husband is still working in person at risk without a vaccine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There are a lot of them. How about construction and project management in construction? All sorts of random hours. Feast or famine. Some times you work tons of hours, sometimes you don't.

In this country, professional workers are not bound by a 9 to 5 set of hours. They are not covered under FLSA. Most of them are regularly asked to complete work outside of normal hours and there is no requirement to compensate them with overtime. Those are facts.

With the hourly rates teachers get paid given the number of days off in a year, teaching is not even a particularly low paid profession.

It is what it is. Acting like teachers are somehow uniquely "taken advantage" of is just not reality. We all have ebbs and flows in our work. Times of the year that are extra busy and we put in extra hours. Vacations where we are available and work because work goes on while we are on "vacation" and people need us for things.

I can see that the teaching profession has some pretty unique rigidity in terms of inability to choose your vacation schedule, lack of flexibility with your time during in-session school days. That must be challenging. Also, you get A LOT of time off free and clear. Every profession has pros and cons.

Also, sincerely if it's so terrible, re-train and get another profession. See if the grass is greener.

I can attest to this -- spouse works in construction management for large commercial projects - I don't think he has EVER worked only 40 hours a week. I work as an engineer in an environmental discipline and have always been expected to put in extra hours when required (proposals, deadline crunches, etc.). No extra pay, no guaranteed bonuses. This past year, we have both continued full speed with our work, while picking up the slack of APS and trying to make sure our kids don't fall too far behind. It has been absolutely exhausting. I have actually considered going into teaching just so that I can take more than a few days of leave at a time. The pay cut and "extra" hours during the school year would absolutely be worth being able to take 8 continuous weeks off in the summer. Two weeks at Christmas, a week spring break? Snow days? I haven't been able to take off more than 1 week off at a time for the past 15 years.

this is the reality that is so frustrating right now.. most people are working full time, plus teaching their kids because APS can't get it's act together.

I completely agree with teachers that APS administration has been a shit show with constantly changing communications. But I refuse to accept that APS teachers have been exploited or gotten the short end of the stick this year. They've gotten way more consideration and protections than many, many, many other professions. We all had to transition to digital OR we had to work in person, pre-vaccine, with fear of getting sick.

My husband works in a government facility that took lousy COVID precautions with many significant outbreaks. He still had to work in person all the way through, and then would return home where I was high risk. Meanwhile, teachers were vaccinated first and then refuse to teach my 7 yo in person (not due to ADA, but our principal's policy). My husband is still working in person at risk without a vaccine.

Exactly.. imagine if every other profession just decided not to do the job they signed up for. There would be 2 options - quit or get fired. APS made a huge mistake last year when relaxing requirements from the very beginning of COVID. Every decision after followed expectations to do the bare minimum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

There are a lot of them. How about construction and project management in construction? All sorts of random hours. Feast or famine. Some times you work tons of hours, sometimes you don't.

In this country, professional workers are not bound by a 9 to 5 set of hours. They are not covered under FLSA. Most of them are regularly asked to complete work outside of normal hours and there is no requirement to compensate them with overtime. Those are facts.

With the hourly rates teachers get paid given the number of days off in a year, teaching is not even a particularly low paid profession.

It is what it is. Acting like teachers are somehow uniquely "taken advantage" of is just not reality. We all have ebbs and flows in our work. Times of the year that are extra busy and we put in extra hours. Vacations where we are available and work because work goes on while we are on "vacation" and people need us for things.

I can see that the teaching profession has some pretty unique rigidity in terms of inability to choose your vacation schedule, lack of flexibility with your time during in-session school days. That must be challenging. Also, you get A LOT of time off free and clear. Every profession has pros and cons.

Also, sincerely if it's so terrible, re-train and get another profession. See if the grass is greener.

I can attest to this -- spouse works in construction management for large commercial projects - I don't think he has EVER worked only 40 hours a week. I work as an engineer in an environmental discipline and have always been expected to put in extra hours when required (proposals, deadline crunches, etc.). No extra pay, no guaranteed bonuses. This past year, we have both continued full speed with our work, while picking up the slack of APS and trying to make sure our kids don't fall too far behind. It has been absolutely exhausting. I have actually considered going into teaching just so that I can take more than a few days of leave at a time. The pay cut and "extra" hours during the school year would absolutely be worth being able to take 8 continuous weeks off in the summer. Two weeks at Christmas, a week spring break? Snow days? I haven't been able to take off more than 1 week off at a time for the past 15 years.

this is the reality that is so frustrating right now.. most people are working full time, plus teaching their kids because APS can't get it's act together.

I completely agree with teachers that APS administration has been a shit show with constantly changing communications. But I refuse to accept that APS teachers have been exploited or gotten the short end of the stick this year. They've gotten way more consideration and protections than many, many, many other professions. We all had to transition to digital OR we had to work in person, pre-vaccine, with fear of getting sick.

My husband works in a government facility that took lousy COVID precautions with many significant outbreaks. He still had to work in person all the way through, and then would return home where I was high risk. Meanwhile, teachers were vaccinated first and then refuse to teach my 7 yo in person (not due to ADA, but our principal's policy). My husband is still working in person at risk without a vaccine.

This is both a crab bucket mentality and a straw man argument.

It is really not with debating with DCUM users

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There are a lot of them. How about construction and project management in construction? All sorts of random hours. Feast or famine. Some times you work tons of hours, sometimes you don't.

In this country, professional workers are not bound by a 9 to 5 set of hours. They are not covered under FLSA. Most of them are regularly asked to complete work outside of normal hours and there is no requirement to compensate them with overtime. Those are facts.

With the hourly rates teachers get paid given the number of days off in a year, teaching is not even a particularly low paid profession.

It is what it is. Acting like teachers are somehow uniquely "taken advantage" of is just not reality. We all have ebbs and flows in our work. Times of the year that are extra busy and we put in extra hours. Vacations where we are available and work because work goes on while we are on "vacation" and people need us for things.

I can see that the teaching profession has some pretty unique rigidity in terms of inability to choose your vacation schedule, lack of flexibility with your time during in-session school days. That must be challenging. Also, you get A LOT of time off free and clear. Every profession has pros and cons.

Also, sincerely if it's so terrible, re-train and get another profession. See if the grass is greener.

I can attest to this -- spouse works in construction management for large commercial projects - I don't think he has EVER worked only 40 hours a week. I work as an engineer in an environmental discipline and have always been expected to put in extra hours when required (proposals, deadline crunches, etc.). No extra pay, no guaranteed bonuses. This past year, we have both continued full speed with our work, while picking up the slack of APS and trying to make sure our kids don't fall too far behind. It has been absolutely exhausting. I have actually considered going into teaching just so that I can take more than a few days of leave at a time. The pay cut and "extra" hours during the school year would absolutely be worth being able to take 8 continuous weeks off in the summer. Two weeks at Christmas, a week spring break? Snow days? I haven't been able to take off more than 1 week off at a time for the past 15 years.

this is the reality that is so frustrating right now.. most people are working full time, plus teaching their kids because APS can't get it's act together.

I completely agree with teachers that APS administration has been a shit show with constantly changing communications. But I refuse to accept that APS teachers have been exploited or gotten the short end of the stick this year. They've gotten way more consideration and protections than many, many, many other professions. We all had to transition to digital OR we had to work in person, pre-vaccine, with fear of getting sick.

My husband works in a government facility that took lousy COVID precautions with many significant outbreaks. He still had to work in person all the way through, and then would return home where I was high risk. Meanwhile, teachers were vaccinated first and then refuse to teach my 7 yo in person (not due to ADA, but our principal's policy). My husband is still working in person at risk without a vaccine.

This is both a crab bucket mentality and a straw man argument.

It is really not with debating with DCUM users

No. It's perspective. Something that is sorely lacking in so many of these conversations.

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APS teachers never refused to show up for work. As requested we are all in person right now or we have an exemption provided by federal law, or have taken UNPAID leave (so not doing our job but also not going to get paid). That small group of teachers who are taking unpaid leave are doing APS a favor right now by continuing to teach students until substitutes can be hired, or the end of the year, whichever comes first. If your child has a teacher who is in this position, you should be THANKFUL because the alternative is a sub without the knowledge your teacher has. Guess what- unemployed teachers and substitutes aren't lining up for these jobs!! Surprise.

I don't see how you would say that any APS teachers refused to come in to work. We worked from home as APS decided until APS decided we should come in person, and we did. You are blaming teachers for the district's plan that you are unhappy with. Teachers are doing what is asked of us. Teachers also have a right to voice concerns while also meeting the in-person requirements of our job, as we are. The teacher blaming is really unfounded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:APS teachers never refused to show up for work. As requested we are all in person right now or we have an exemption provided by federal law, or have taken UNPAID leave (so not doing our job but also not going to get paid). That small group of teachers who are taking unpaid leave are doing APS a favor right now by continuing to teach students until substitutes can be hired, or the end of the year, whichever comes first. If your child has a teacher who is in this position, you should be THANKFUL because the alternative is a sub without the knowledge your teacher has. Guess what- unemployed teachers and substitutes aren't lining up for these jobs!! Surprise.

I don't see how you would say that any APS teachers refused to come in to work. We worked from home as APS decided until APS decided we should come in person, and we did. You are blaming teachers for the district's plan that you are unhappy with. Teachers are doing what is asked of us. Teachers also have a right to voice concerns while also meeting the in-person requirements of our job, as we are. The teacher blaming is really unfounded.

Are you sincerely suggesting that teacher reluctance to work in person in the Fall had nothing to do with the APS decision not to send kids back to school in person last Fall?

I don't see how any teacher could say that with a straight face. It might not have been you personally, but I know FOR A FACT that many of your peers fought it tooth and nail.

I do think APS admin failed out of the gate polling for teacher preference. Wrong, wrong, wrong way to frame it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lotta crab bucket mentality itt.

People, the US puritanical-Capitalist system got you by the balls. You all think just because something sucks, but it's commonplace, that makes it A-OK


It don't.

I always wonder with people like you, are you ready to give up all the benefits and lifestyle you enjoy as part of a capitalist system? Probably not.

Also, some people actually like their jobs and take pride and doing extra at times isn't such a huge burden. I personally feel that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lotta crab bucket mentality itt.

People, the US puritanical-Capitalist system got you by the balls. You all think just because something sucks, but it's commonplace, that makes it A-OK


It don't.

I always wonder with people like you, are you ready to give up all the benefits and lifestyle you enjoy as part of a capitalist system? Probably not.

Also, some people actually like their jobs and take pride and doing extra at times isn't such a huge burden. I personally feel that way.

Hi, it is me, the author of the post you are quoting, and the answer is yes, I would gladly pay more in taxes and have the rich pay WAY more in taxes if it means we can nationalize things like healthcare so people don't have to do things like ration insulin and go destitute to save themselves from cancer.

Giving up benefits has nothing to do with it you weirdo

hope that helps