Condoms, Drug Dealers, Drunk Fathers – Are these good books for 6th graders?

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously the only book that it is ever necessary for anyone to read is the Bible. No violence, no rape, no genocide...oh, wait.

You've never read the Bible, sweetheart.

NP. Do you deny these themes are in the bible? Also, I think your use of sweetheart was hostile, which is not what Jesus would approve of.

Really, faux Christian?

Who are you to judge? First take the beam out of your own eye.

Yeah, see you in church. Oh wait, you won't be there.

No one should be in church during a pandemic.

Thanks for proving the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather they read the Odyssey? Maybe Cstcher in the Rye? Huckleberry Finn? Jane Eyre? Macbeth?

Good literature has always dealt with dramatic themes. Even fairy tales have cannibalism and rampant child abuse throughout—youre just used to it so it seems “innocent.”

DP. You bet I'd prefer any book on your list to current drivel not because of the content but because of their cultural value, style and, frankly, the writer's craft. Are you seriously saying that The hate U give is on par eith Idyssey, the Catcher and Macbeth?

It appears she is not well versed in classic literature.

Haha. I’ve read all of those books in school. Cultural value is just another way to say these titles are familiar to you. In his day Shakespeare was considered very low brow entertainment. Everything is relative.

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OP, what do you think is wrong with 6th graders reading about those things? I don't understand.

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously the only book that it is ever necessary for anyone to read is the Bible. No violence, no rape, no genocide...oh, wait.

You've never read the Bible, sweetheart.

NP. Do you deny these themes are in the bible? Also, I think your use of sweetheart was hostile, which is not what Jesus would approve of.

Really, faux Christian?

Who are you to judge? First take the beam out of your own eye.

Yeah, see you in church. Oh wait, you won't be there.

No one should be in church during a pandemic.

Thanks for proving the point.

I love that you're decrying ugliness in books, when you're spewing it all over the internet. Is this the behavior you model for your children?

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather they read the Odyssey? Maybe Cstcher in the Rye? Huckleberry Finn? Jane Eyre? Macbeth?

Good literature has always dealt with dramatic themes. Even fairy tales have cannibalism and rampant child abuse throughout—youre just used to it so it seems “innocent.”

DP. You bet I'd prefer any book on your list to current drivel not because of the content but because of their cultural value, style and, frankly, the writer's craft. Are you seriously saying that The hate U give is on par eith Idyssey, the Catcher and Macbeth?

It appears she is not well versed in classic literature.

Haha. I’ve read all of those books in school. Cultural value is just another way to say these titles are familiar to you. In his day Shakespeare was considered very low brow entertainment. Everything is relative.

Yup! I mean, Midsummer Night’s Dream is often assigned in high school, since it’s one of Shakespeare’s more accessible plays, and there’s literally a character called Bottom, who forms the butt of jokes about being an “ass.”

If anyone here has taken AP Latin, you’d know that Catullus wrote a TON of poems that were basically smut. The only reason people think these are “high culture” is because of their own biases.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the books well-written? That's really all that matters to me.

If you feel as if the books don't reinforce your values, then have a discussion about that.

In 6th grade, some of my favorite books were Green Mansions, Jane Eyre, The Story of Rèmy, and Hans Brinker, or The Silver Skates. All of them dealt with dark & complex themes and that's what I liked about them.

I am with you on that, and this is my gripe. I don't think either book is well-written.and this is my main issue with them, not drugs snd condoms.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather they read the Odyssey? Maybe Cstcher in the Rye? Huckleberry Finn? Jane Eyre? Macbeth?

Good literature has always dealt with dramatic themes. Even fairy tales have cannibalism and rampant child abuse throughout—youre just used to it so it seems “innocent.”

DP. You bet I'd prefer any book on your list to current drivel not because of the content but because of their cultural value, style and, frankly, the writer's craft. Are you seriously saying that The hate U give is on par eith Idyssey, the Catcher and Macbeth?

It appears she is not well versed in classic literature.

Haha. I’ve read all of those books in school. Cultural value is just another way to say these titles are familiar to you. In his day Shakespeare was considered very low brow entertainment. Everything is relative.

Yup! I mean, Midsummer Night’s Dream is often assigned in high school, since it’s one of Shakespeare’s more accessible plays, and there’s literally a character called Bottom, who forms the butt of jokes about being an “ass.”

If anyone here has taken AP Latin, you’d know that Catullus wrote a TON of poems that were basically smut. The only reason people think these are “high culture” is because of their own biases.

DP. Let's assign Cattulus 16 to kids! What an example of the writer's craft!

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather they read the Odyssey? Maybe Cstcher in the Rye? Huckleberry Finn? Jane Eyre? Macbeth?

Good literature has always dealt with dramatic themes. Even fairy tales have cannibalism and rampant child abuse throughout—youre just used to it so it seems “innocent.”

DP. You bet I'd prefer any book on your list to current drivel not because of the content but because of their cultural value, style and, frankly, the writer's craft. Are you seriously saying that The hate U give is on par eith Idyssey, the Catcher and Macbeth?

Psst: Your racism is showing.

Catcher in the Rye is basically the complaining rant of a teenager. You think it has more “cultural value” than these books because of your own biases.

Psst: that's what people say when they are getting beaten on the facts. You're losing the argument and being illiterate of classic literature doesn't make anyone a racist but it does make you a moron.

NP here. Have you read Catcher in the Rye??? What did you think it’s about? The entire book is a spoiled UMCkid complaining that adults are all phony.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you rather they read the Odyssey? Maybe Cstcher in the Rye? Huckleberry Finn? Jane Eyre? Macbeth?

Good literature has always dealt with dramatic themes. Even fairy tales have cannibalism and rampant child abuse throughout—youre just used to it so it seems “innocent.”

DP. You bet I'd prefer any book on your list to current drivel not because of the content but because of their cultural value, style and, frankly, the writer's craft. Are you seriously saying that The hate U give is on par eith Idyssey, the Catcher and Macbeth?

It appears she is not well versed in classic literature.

Haha. I’ve read all of those books in school. Cultural value is just another way to say these titles are familiar to you. In his day Shakespeare was considered very low brow entertainment. Everything is relative.

Yup! I mean, Midsummer Night’s Dream is often assigned in high school, since it’s one of Shakespeare’s more accessible plays, and there’s literally a character called Bottom, who forms the butt of jokes about being an “ass.”

If anyone here has taken AP Latin, you’d know that Catullus wrote a TON of poems that were basically smut. The only reason people think these are “high culture” is because of their own biases.

DP. Let's assign Cattulus 16 to kids! What an example of the writer's craft!

PP here. Haha!! I remember that one — my Latin teacher said we weren’t going to discuss that one in class.

For anyone who wants the translation, here it is: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:Catullus_16

I can’t paste it because Jeff doesn’t allow many of the words in it to be posted here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you rather they read the Odyssey? Maybe Cstcher in the Rye? Huckleberry Finn? Jane Eyre? Macbeth?

Good literature has always dealt with dramatic themes. Even fairy tales have cannibalism and rampant child abuse throughout—youre just used to it so it seems “innocent.”

DP. You bet I'd prefer any book on your list to current drivel not because of the content but because of their cultural value, style and, frankly, the writer's craft. Are you seriously saying that The hate U give is on par eith Idyssey, the Catcher and Macbeth?

Psst: Your racism is showing.

Catcher in the Rye is basically the complaining rant of a teenager. You think it has more “cultural value” than these books because of your own biases.

Psst: that's what people say when they are getting beaten on the facts. You're losing the argument and being illiterate of classic literature doesn't make anyone a racist but it does make you a moron.

NP here. Have you read Catcher in the Rye??? What did you think it’s about? The entire book is a spoiled UMCkid complaining that adults are all phony.

DP. I'm tickled to think of the "cultural value" of Catcher in the Rye - which is, as you say, the non-stop complaints of an affluent white boy in 1946. Plus Holden Caulfield would now be 91. How relevant to today's youth!

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I have no issues with the topics at all or the books. But I think that reading the classics gives you a good background for understanding references in the future. So many people constantly reference shakespeare, a tree grows in brooklyn, catch-22, wuthering heights, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issues with the topics at all or the books. But I think that reading the classics gives you a good background for understanding references in the future. So many people constantly reference shakespeare, a tree grows in brooklyn, catch-22, wuthering heights, etc.

You realize reading the classics and reading contemporary novels is not mutually exclusive, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issues with the topics at all or the books. But I think that reading the classics gives you a good background for understanding references in the future. So many people constantly reference shakespeare, a tree grows in brooklyn, catch-22, wuthering heights, etc.

People reference them without having actually read them...

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issues with the topics at all or the books. But I think that reading the classics gives you a good background for understanding references in the future. So many people constantly reference shakespeare, a tree grows in brooklyn, catch-22, wuthering heights, etc.

You realize reading the classics and reading contemporary novels is not mutually exclusive, right?

They can read contemporary novels for fun at home, literature during English class

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issues with the topics at all or the books. But I think that reading the classics gives you a good background for understanding references in the future. So many people constantly reference shakespeare, a tree grows in brooklyn, catch-22, wuthering heights, etc.

You realize reading the classics and reading contemporary novels is not mutually exclusive, right?

They can read contemporary novels for fun at home, literature during English class

Wow you’re narrow-minded. Would love to hear your definition of “literature.” I assume it has to be old and it probably has to have been written by an American or European, except for maybe Love in the Time of Cholera?