OBGC Capital Cup

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:U16 DORADUS SDOR 05 ELITE (VA) cheated their way to the finals today by having at least 3 DCUnited rostered players on their team. It may not be Doradus policy but it sure is DCUnited’s policy current rostered players can’t train or play with other teams.

This is more a result of US Soccer's/MLS's/DCU's ineptitude in developing a youth program than it is nefarious intent on the part of Doradus.

Basically, DCU's U16s are in no-man's land. They want to continue to train at DCU but (most) can't fight their way into a starting lineup with a roster of 40 kids on the U16/U17 books. As recently as last year, the DA's U16 teams would spend a year in EDP--except for the few who could get game time at the U17 level. That was sensible, but not sure whether it will continue this year.

So these U16s are going out and looking for clubs who are willing to give them significant game time without them actually having to train regularly with the team. I don't know to what extent DCU is arranging these awkward relationships, but you can bet that they approve of them.

The only people who really have grounds to be upset are the kids (and parents of kids) at Doradus and other clubs where they work their asses off and pay the club and coach only to have game time snaked by DCU because DCU doesn't want to go out of its way to actually ensure that its academy members are afforded sufficient game time to develop.

Yes. This is absolutely true and absurd. DCU basically couldn't care less about their youth teams. Not the coaches themselves of course - I'm sure they care, but they are being hamstrung by the club. DCU have a U15 and U17 team and that's it. They keep the U16s - a full squad - on the roster, but have no league to play them in. Their stated plan a couple of months ago was that some of the U17s would play for Loudoun, so some spots would open up for U16 players on the U17 squad. So that's what - three spots, maybe four which are available to the remainder of the U17 squad and the entire U16 squad.

[Anonymous]

Doradus did the same thing at the disney tournament which they won with all dcu academy players

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:U16 DORADUS SDOR 05 ELITE (VA) cheated their way to the finals today by having at least 3 DCUnited rostered players on their team. It may not be Doradus policy but it sure is DCUnited’s policy current rostered players can’t train or play with other teams.

This is more a result of US Soccer's/MLS's/DCU's ineptitude in developing a youth program than it is nefarious intent on the part of Doradus.

Basically, DCU's U16s are in no-man's land. They want to continue to train at DCU but (most) can't fight their way into a starting lineup with a roster of 40 kids on the U16/U17 books. As recently as last year, the DA's U16 teams would spend a year in EDP--except for the few who could get game time at the U17 level. That was sensible, but not sure whether it will continue this year.

So these U16s are going out and looking for clubs who are willing to give them significant game time without them actually having to train regularly with the team. I don't know to what extent DCU is arranging these awkward relationships, but you can bet that they approve of them.

The only people who really have grounds to be upset are the kids (and parents of kids) at Doradus and other clubs where they work their asses off and pay the club and coach only to have game time snaked by DCU because DCU doesn't want to go out of its way to actually ensure that its academy members are afforded sufficient game time to develop.

How good are these 3 players that won the tournament for doradus?

[Anonymous]

At the end of the day DCU still sucks as a youth academy they feed the parents the cool aid and contracts and the only teams they can beat is local X DA teams when they play other MLS academy’s they get spanked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day DCU still sucks as a youth academy they feed the parents the cool aid and contracts and the only teams they can beat is local X DA teams when they play other MLS academy’s they get spanked.

So looks like moving to boy’s ECNL was the right choice for the local teams that made the move.

[Anonymous]

Didn't DC United sign three players from the youth academy to contracts in the past year or so? I agree that DC United does not run one of the better MLS youth academy operations but I can't be that bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see the barca academy posters are out in full force again. Instead of complaining about DCU, how did barca do in OBGC, aka the topic at hand?

Dear Stupid:

The "B" in OBGC does not stand for "Barca." Is Barca even mentioned in this thread?

Sincerely,
The English-Reading Population

Again, how did barca do in this tournment, DCU hater? Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see the barca academy posters are out in full force again. Instead of complaining about DCU, how did barca do in OBGC, aka the topic at hand?

Dear Stupid:

The "B" in OBGC does not stand for "Barca." Is Barca even mentioned in this thread?

Sincerely,
The English-Reading Population

Again, how did barca do in this tournment, DCU hater? Thank you.

Dear Stupid:

No one is obligated to research any particular team's or club's results for you.

Sincerely,
People Who Are Genuinely Confused By Your Aggressive Idiocy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day DCU still sucks as a youth academy they feed the parents the cool aid and contracts and the only teams they can beat is local X DA teams when they play other MLS academy’s they get spanked.

So looks like moving to boy’s ECNL was the right choice for the local teams that made the move.

With the exception of Pipeline, boys ecnl is still not very good.

[Anonymous]

It’s well known in the MLS academy world DCU is not very good, regardless it’s not because the lack of talented players but bad leadership and trainers. The last several players that got contracts came from local clubs; one from VDA and the other from Loudoun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day DCU still sucks as a youth academy they feed the parents the cool aid and contracts and the only teams they can beat is local X DA teams when they play other MLS academy’s they get spanked.

So looks like moving to boy’s ECNL was the right choice for the local teams that made the move.

With the exception of Pipeline, boys ecnl is still not very good.

All hail pipeline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day DCU still sucks as a youth academy they feed the parents the cool aid and contracts and the only teams they can beat is local X DA teams when they play other MLS academy’s they get spanked.

So looks like moving to boy’s ECNL was the right choice for the local teams that made the move.

DCU's poor program is separate from the MLS league as a whole. The MLS league remains a significantly higher standard - especially as it appears from the other thread that the non-MLS academies will still get several games against MLS clubs, and I continue to wish that my DS's club had remained in the MLS league.

I continue to believe the ECNL league will see several very one sided games. Hopefully I am wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see the barca academy posters are out in full force again. Instead of complaining about DCU, how did barca do in OBGC, aka the topic at hand?

Dear Stupid:

The "B" in OBGC does not stand for "Barca." Is Barca even mentioned in this thread?

Sincerely,
The English-Reading Population

Again, how did barca do in this tournment, DCU hater? Thank you.

Dear Stupid:

No one is obligated to research any particular team's or club's results for you.

Sincerely,
People Who Are Genuinely Confused By Your Aggressive Idiocy

Looks like they all finished in the toilet. Also, thanks for confirming your identity. Talk about stupid, your crap sure does get old and crusty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:U16 DORADUS SDOR 05 ELITE (VA) cheated their way to the finals today by having at least 3 DCUnited rostered players on their team. It may not be Doradus policy but it sure is DCUnited’s policy current rostered players can’t train or play with other teams.

This is more a result of US Soccer's/MLS's/DCU's ineptitude in developing a youth program than it is nefarious intent on the part of Doradus.

Basically, DCU's U16s are in no-man's land. They want to continue to train at DCU but (most) can't fight their way into a starting lineup with a roster of 40 kids on the U16/U17 books. As recently as last year, the DA's U16 teams would spend a year in EDP--except for the few who could get game time at the U17 level. That was sensible, but not sure whether it will continue this year.

So these U16s are going out and looking for clubs who are willing to give them significant game time without them actually having to train regularly with the team. I don't know to what extent DCU is arranging these awkward relationships, but you can bet that they approve of them.

The only people who really have grounds to be upset are the kids (and parents of kids) at Doradus and other clubs where they work their asses off and pay the club and coach only to have game time snaked by DCU because DCU doesn't want to go out of its way to actually ensure that its academy members are afforded sufficient game time to develop.

How good are these 3 players that won the tournament for doradus?

1. There are actually at least 5 DCU players on the Doradus Roster.
2. They didn't win the tournament. They made it to the final but lost 3-2.
3. No tournament rules were violated, so the OP with this complaint is as ignorant as he/she is pathetic.

Even if they weren't on the Doradus roster (which they are) the tournament rules allow up to 6 guest players. Nothing requires the game roster to be the same for every game. Teams can roster up to 22 players for the tournament and only roster 18 for each game. So the fact that some good players might have shown up for a game Sunday morning and helped ensure qualification for the final even though they may not have played the other two games - even if that's what happened - is entirely permissible according the rules of the tournament (which are pretty standard).

Looking at what actually happened makes the parent complaining about this even more ridiculous. There was a 4 team bracket with Doradus, Liverpool FCIA, SAC/Armour Pre-Acad, and BRYC ENCL. BRYC lost all 3 games so if was a BRYC parent complaining - just GTFOH. On Sat night after the 1st 2 games were played, SAC/Armour was 2-0 with 6 points (having beaten Doradus), while Doradus and Liverpool were both 1-1 with 3 points (with Doradus having won the head-to-head). On Sunday Doradus was set to play BRYC while Liverpool played SAC/Armour. So all SAC had to do was win or draw and they would be in the final. Instead they lost to Liverpool. Since it was then a 3 way tie with 6 points each, the head-to-head tie breaker didn't apply and instead it was determined by goal differential. Doradus (with the DCU ringers), had thrashed BRYC 6-0, so they went through.

So as I see it, Liverpool really can't complain b/c they lost the head-to-head to Doradus. The only team that has some reason to gripe is SAC b/c they had beaten Doradus head-to-head and still didn't make the final, but that's the way tournaments go. At least this one didn't have the not uncommon situation where one team has to play it's second game of the day against a team that's completely fresh.

The bottom line here is that everyone played by the rules, so there is absolutely nothing to complain about.

Also, not that it matters, but no one except those players and DCU even knows whether what they did was against DCU's rules. The DA had explicit rules against playing for other teams during the seasonal year, but the DA is no more. Does anyone even know what the new MLS league policy is on that? Besides, even with the DA they had a designation for "Part Time" players which allowed some players to train with the DA team while playing games for another club team. It wouldn't be at all surprising if DCU did that for most of its 05 players this season, given that the majority aren't going to see the field let alone make the 18-man game day roster this year. Actually, I take that last part back. It would be surprising. It would make too much sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


Looks like they all finished in the toilet. Also, thanks for confirming your identity. Talk about stupid, your crap sure does get old and crusty.

Dear Stupid:

I hate Barca just as much as you do. But even though English is not my first language, I am able to understand that you are the only person here raving about Barca.

--Leo Messi

PS Do you have Pep's number in Manchester?