The Purple Line builders want out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They’re clearly threatened locally by the construction. Once extirpated from an area, they aren’t likely to return. That makes them threatened.

I’m not a wildlife expert, so that’s a question for the people who understand it better than I.

In any case, the court will have plenty of time to go over all the findings of the survey.

Years, probably.

That's so not the way NEPA works that I don't even have words for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember the story about how one of the leaders of the anti-Purple Line groups had expanded his fenced yard well into the right of way. You can't take land from the government by adverse possession but he (and his neighbors) were arguing that they began doing this when CSX owned the land so it was now theirs.

Sounds like something for the courts to decide, not you or I

It might take years, with appeals, before we really know for sure. In the meantime, construction will have to be halted.

Fortunately the courts did decide. He lost. In 2016. I'm surprised that you haven't heard about this.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/marylands-highest-court-sides-with-montgomery-county-in-purple-line-fence-fight/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re clearly threatened locally by the construction. Once extirpated from an area, they aren’t likely to return. That makes them threatened.

I’m not a wildlife expert, so that’s a question for the people who understand it better than I.

In any case, the court will have plenty of time to go over all the findings of the survey.

Years, probably.

That's so not the way NEPA works that I don't even have words for it.

Again, I’m not the environmental expert. I just know the results of the survey undertaken, and the four species of local concern that were identified.

There will be plenty of opportunities for the Maryland Department of the Environment to conduct their own studies next year to confirm the results that the survey company we hired found. The courts will surely make time available for them to do so.

I just hope it’s not too late for these poor creatures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember the story about how one of the leaders of the anti-Purple Line groups had expanded his fenced yard well into the right of way. You can't take land from the government by adverse possession but he (and his neighbors) were arguing that they began doing this when CSX owned the land so it was now theirs.

Sounds like something for the courts to decide, not you or I

It might take years, with appeals, before we really know for sure. In the meantime, construction will have to be halted.

Fortunately the courts did decide. He lost. In 2016. I'm surprised that you haven't heard about this.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/marylands-highest-court-sides-with-montgomery-county-in-purple-line-fence-fight/

Not familiar with it, but I don’t live in that neighborhood either.

The environmental impact filings that are being prepared right now are my area of concern, not some silly attempt at adverse possession.

But a threat to endangered migratory fish from siltation in the stream where they spawn is a very big deal. Even the Feds will want to weigh in on this, after American Shad and Blueback Herring have both been found in Rock Creek now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember the story about how one of the leaders of the anti-Purple Line groups had expanded his fenced yard well into the right of way. You can't take land from the government by adverse possession but he (and his neighbors) were arguing that they began doing this when CSX owned the land so it was now theirs.

Sounds like something for the courts to decide, not you or I

It might take years, with appeals, before we really know for sure. In the meantime, construction will have to be halted.

Fortunately the courts did decide. He lost. In 2016. I'm surprised that you haven't heard about this.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/marylands-highest-court-sides-with-montgomery-county-in-purple-line-fence-fight/

Not familiar with it, but I don’t live in that neighborhood either.

The environmental impact filings that are being prepared right now are my area of concern, not some silly attempt at adverse possession.

But a threat to endangered migratory fish from siltation in the stream where they spawn is a very big deal. Even the Feds will want to weigh in on this, after American Shad and Blueback Herring have both been found in Rock Creek now.

Huh. Because blueback herrings aren't listed as endangered or threatened either. And American shad are also not an endangered or threatened species.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/06/19/2019-12908/endangered-and-threatened-wildlife-and-plants-endangered-species-act-listing-determination-for
https://dnr.maryland.gov/fisheries/Pages/endangered.aspx

I hope your lawyer works pro bono.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember the story about how one of the leaders of the anti-Purple Line groups had expanded his fenced yard well into the right of way. You can't take land from the government by adverse possession but he (and his neighbors) were arguing that they began doing this when CSX owned the land so it was now theirs.

Sounds like something for the courts to decide, not you or I

It might take years, with appeals, before we really know for sure. In the meantime, construction will have to be halted.

Fortunately the courts did decide. He lost. In 2016. I'm surprised that you haven't heard about this.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/marylands-highest-court-sides-with-montgomery-county-in-purple-line-fence-fight/

Not familiar with it, but I don’t live in that neighborhood either.

The environmental impact filings that are being prepared right now are my area of concern, not some silly attempt at adverse possession.

But a threat to endangered migratory fish from siltation in the stream where they spawn is a very big deal. Even the Feds will want to weigh in on this, after American Shad and Blueback Herring have both been found in Rock Creek now.

Huh. Because blueback herrings aren't listed as endangered or threatened either. And American shad are also not an endangered or threatened species.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/06/19/2019-12908/endangered-and-threatened-wildlife-and-plants-endangered-species-act-listing-determination-for
https://dnr.maryland.gov/fisheries/Pages/endangered.aspx

I hope your lawyer works pro bono.

And spotted salamanders are also not endangered.

Just because their habitats are going to be destroyed is not sufficient. It has to be the last refuge or sometimes the largest habitat for these species. If there are other habitats elsewhere in MD or in the US, then this does not impact the current project. It's only if this destroys the only habitat or the sometimes the largest habitat of a particular species that it can stop the construction. Having checked, the spotted salamander is found in various parts of the Eastern US and is in the "least concerned" listing for endangerment. The "blue spotted salamander" is endangered, but it is only native to NJ and not to MD. So it is unlikely that there are blue spotted salamanders in the PG/MC parts of MD that are part of the PL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember the story about how one of the leaders of the anti-Purple Line groups had expanded his fenced yard well into the right of way. You can't take land from the government by adverse possession but he (and his neighbors) were arguing that they began doing this when CSX owned the land so it was now theirs.

Sounds like something for the courts to decide, not you or I

It might take years, with appeals, before we really know for sure. In the meantime, construction will have to be halted.

Fortunately the courts did decide. He lost. In 2016. I'm surprised that you haven't heard about this.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/marylands-highest-court-sides-with-montgomery-county-in-purple-line-fence-fight/

Not familiar with it, but I don’t live in that neighborhood either.

The environmental impact filings that are being prepared right now are my area of concern, not some silly attempt at adverse possession.

But a threat to endangered migratory fish from siltation in the stream where they spawn is a very big deal. Even the Feds will want to weigh in on this, after American Shad and Blueback Herring have both been found in Rock Creek now.

Huh. Because blueback herrings aren't listed as endangered or threatened either. And American shad are also not an endangered or threatened species.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/06/19/2019-12908/endangered-and-threatened-wildlife-and-plants-endangered-species-act-listing-determination-for
https://dnr.maryland.gov/fisheries/Pages/endangered.aspx

I hope your lawyer works pro bono.

She’s a neighbor, and spearheading our efforts. We’re all behind her.

Maybe we can save the fish by stopping the PL, maybe we can’t. But we’re certainly going to try. And even if we’re unsuccessful, we can delay it, and you never know what might happen in the meantime. If the economy gets bad enough because of COVID, the state literally might run out of money.

I’ll take a win any way we get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember the story about how one of the leaders of the anti-Purple Line groups had expanded his fenced yard well into the right of way. You can't take land from the government by adverse possession but he (and his neighbors) were arguing that they began doing this when CSX owned the land so it was now theirs.

Sounds like something for the courts to decide, not you or I

It might take years, with appeals, before we really know for sure. In the meantime, construction will have to be halted.

Fortunately the courts did decide. He lost. In 2016. I'm surprised that you haven't heard about this.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/marylands-highest-court-sides-with-montgomery-county-in-purple-line-fence-fight/

Not familiar with it, but I don’t live in that neighborhood either.

The environmental impact filings that are being prepared right now are my area of concern, not some silly attempt at adverse possession.

But a threat to endangered migratory fish from siltation in the stream where they spawn is a very big deal. Even the Feds will want to weigh in on this, after American Shad and Blueback Herring have both been found in Rock Creek now.

Huh. Because blueback herrings aren't listed as endangered or threatened either. And American shad are also not an endangered or threatened species.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/06/19/2019-12908/endangered-and-threatened-wildlife-and-plants-endangered-species-act-listing-determination-for
https://dnr.maryland.gov/fisheries/Pages/endangered.aspx

I hope your lawyer works pro bono.

She’s a neighbor, and spearheading our efforts. We’re all behind her.

Maybe we can save the fish by stopping the PL, maybe we can’t. But we’re certainly going to try. And even if we’re unsuccessful, we can delay it, and you never know what might happen in the meantime. If the economy gets bad enough because of COVID, the state literally might run out of money.

I’ll take a win any way we get it.

You're despicable. You don't even care about the environment of the animals. You're grasping at straws to prevent lower income and minorities from having easier access to jobs and businesses in your more affluent community. You don't mind them as long as they stay where they belong.

[Anonymous]

Anyone know how to lobby HUD to look at Chevy Chase's history of racist redlining policies and to lobby for HUD to build affordable housing there? I'd sign it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember the story about how one of the leaders of the anti-Purple Line groups had expanded his fenced yard well into the right of way. You can't take land from the government by adverse possession but he (and his neighbors) were arguing that they began doing this when CSX owned the land so it was now theirs.

Sounds like something for the courts to decide, not you or I

It might take years, with appeals, before we really know for sure. In the meantime, construction will have to be halted.

Fortunately the courts did decide. He lost. In 2016. I'm surprised that you haven't heard about this.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/marylands-highest-court-sides-with-montgomery-county-in-purple-line-fence-fight/

Not familiar with it, but I don’t live in that neighborhood either.

The environmental impact filings that are being prepared right now are my area of concern, not some silly attempt at adverse possession.

But a threat to endangered migratory fish from siltation in the stream where they spawn is a very big deal. Even the Feds will want to weigh in on this, after American Shad and Blueback Herring have both been found in Rock Creek now.

Huh. Because blueback herrings aren't listed as endangered or threatened either. And American shad are also not an endangered or threatened species.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/06/19/2019-12908/endangered-and-threatened-wildlife-and-plants-endangered-species-act-listing-determination-for
https://dnr.maryland.gov/fisheries/Pages/endangered.aspx

I hope your lawyer works pro bono.

She’s a neighbor, and spearheading our efforts. We’re all behind her.

Maybe we can save the fish by stopping the PL, maybe we can’t. But we’re certainly going to try. And even if we’re unsuccessful, we can delay it, and you never know what might happen in the meantime. If the economy gets bad enough because of COVID, the state literally might run out of money.

I’ll take a win any way we get it.

So you hired an "expert" to find evidence of anything you could use to try and stop construction, they miraculously found the thing their client wanted and then one of your crackpot neighbors decided to waste her time on your stupid crusade as well. In a just world they'd run the train through your damn houses for being like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You're despicable. You don't even care about the environment of the animals. You're grasping at straws to prevent lower income and minorities from having easier access to jobs and businesses in your more affluent community. You don't mind them as long as they stay where they belong.

Actually, my suspicion is that they're despicable because they're a troll.

I wish there hadn't been all of the lawsuits and delays with the Purple Line, though. It would have been great for my nephew who started at UMCP this year and lives in Bethesda.

[Anonymous]

Good golly will the same thing happen with expanding the beltway etc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good golly will the same thing happen with expanding the beltway etc

No, I don't think that Beltway expansion will be delayed because somebody had their shed in the right-of-way.

If it gets delayed, which I profoundly hope, it will be because people figure out that nobody will be willing to pay for the toll lanes unless the regular lanes are backed up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re clearly threatened locally by the construction. Once extirpated from an area, they aren’t likely to return. That makes them threatened.

I’m not a wildlife expert, so that’s a question for the people who understand it better than I.

In any case, the court will have plenty of time to go over all the findings of the survey.

Years, probably.

That's so not the way NEPA works that I don't even have words for it.

Again, I’m not the environmental expert. I just know the results of the survey undertaken, and the four species of local concern that were identified.

There will be plenty of opportunities for the Maryland Department of the Environment to conduct their own studies next year to confirm the results that the survey company we hired found. The courts will surely make time available for them to do so.

I just hope it’s not too late for these poor creatures.

"I just hope it's not too late for these poor creatures." Same could be said of Montgomery County residents' economic prospects after this fiasco...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember the story about how one of the leaders of the anti-Purple Line groups had expanded his fenced yard well into the right of way. You can't take land from the government by adverse possession but he (and his neighbors) were arguing that they began doing this when CSX owned the land so it was now theirs.

Sounds like something for the courts to decide, not you or I

It might take years, with appeals, before we really know for sure. In the meantime, construction will have to be halted.

Fortunately the courts did decide. He lost. In 2016. I'm surprised that you haven't heard about this.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/marylands-highest-court-sides-with-montgomery-county-in-purple-line-fence-fight/

Not familiar with it, but I don’t live in that neighborhood either.

The environmental impact filings that are being prepared right now are my area of concern, not some silly attempt at adverse possession.

But a threat to endangered migratory fish from siltation in the stream where they spawn is a very big deal. Even the Feds will want to weigh in on this, after American Shad and Blueback Herring have both been found in Rock Creek now.

Huh. Because blueback herrings aren't listed as endangered or threatened either. And American shad are also not an endangered or threatened species.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/06/19/2019-12908/endangered-and-threatened-wildlife-and-plants-endangered-species-act-listing-determination-for
https://dnr.maryland.gov/fisheries/Pages/endangered.aspx

I hope your lawyer works pro bono.

She’s a neighbor, and spearheading our efforts. We’re all behind her.

Maybe we can save the fish by stopping the PL, maybe we can’t. But we’re certainly going to try. And even if we’re unsuccessful, we can delay it, and you never know what might happen in the meantime. If the economy gets bad enough because of COVID, the state literally might run out of money.

I’ll take a win any way we get it.

You're despicable. You don't even care about the environment of the animals. You're grasping at straws to prevent lower income and minorities from having easier access to jobs and businesses in your more affluent community. You don't mind them as long as they stay where they belong.

I don’t want a train running through my neighbor’s backyard every 15 minutes.

Who is on the train is of no concern to me. I just don’t want the train at all.