#JustinsTrafficJam

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It's not that the traffic flows smoothly but how long it takes to get from point A to point B. Before you could pass the car in the right lane going 15 miles an hour, now there is no place to go but to follow the car.

How many hours does this add to your morning or evening trip?

It adds three minutes and seventeen seconds on average. But don’t you know how important I am to myself?

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Anonymous wrote:The term “road diet” is such PR BS.

“Road Chokehold” is more appropriate.

I agree. I prefer "safer streets for everyone."

Sanctimonious Street is quite unsafe

I'll wait for the actual data. This ain't it.

I prefer experience over data. Data can be manipulated as was done throughout the process. I experience the delays on both Seminary and Janneys Lane daily. They were not there before the road diet. To avoid them, I take Howard to Braddock and Quaker back to Trinity, which is fast becoming a cut through. Wait until those rich people start complaining.

+ infinity. actual experience is the data motherload.

anecdotes are not data. The anecdotes already conflict.

What is the conflicting anecdote?

People I know (both option 3 supporters and neutrals) saying the road is fine almost all the time, even most rush hours.

Did you see the NBC4 piece last night? With the traffic flowing smoothly in the background as an opponent decried massive traffic jams?

It's not that the traffic flows smoothly but how long it takes to get from point A to point B. Before you could pass the car in the right lane going 15 miles an hour, now there is no place to go but to follow the car.

Before you could pass the car in the right lane going 25 miles an hour, now there is no place to go but to follow the car.

Fixed that for you. The video, and what people who live there have told me, is that now the traffic flows smoothly at 25MPH. I am sure that is frustrating for people who regularly exceeded the 25MPH limit there. But reducing speeds in excess of the limit was always the idea of this. Thats evidence the project has succeeded.

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Anonymous wrote:The term “road diet” is such PR BS.

“Road Chokehold” is more appropriate.

I agree. I prefer "safer streets for everyone."

Sanctimonious Street is quite unsafe

I'll wait for the actual data. This ain't it.

I prefer experience over data. Data can be manipulated as was done throughout the process. I experience the delays on both Seminary and Janneys Lane daily. They were not there before the road diet. To avoid them, I take Howard to Braddock and Quaker back to Trinity, which is fast becoming a cut through. Wait until those rich people start complaining.

+ infinity. actual experience is the data motherload.

anecdotes are not data. The anecdotes already conflict.

What is the conflicting anecdote?

People I know (both option 3 supporters and neutrals) saying the road is fine almost all the time, even most rush hours.

Did you see the NBC4 piece last night? With the traffic flowing smoothly in the background as an opponent decried massive traffic jams?

It's not that the traffic flows smoothly but how long it takes to get from point A to point B. Before you could pass the car in the right lane going 15 miles an hour, now there is no place to go but to follow the car.

Before you could pass the car in the right lane going 25 miles an hour, now there is no place to go but to follow the car.

Fixed that for you. The video, and what people who live there have told me, is that now the traffic flows smoothly at 25MPH. I am sure that is frustrating for people who regularly exceeded the 25MPH limit there. But reducing speeds in excess of the limit was always the idea of this. Thats evidence the project has succeeded.

Did you also do the stats for the bike lobby? You conveniently changed the speed I stated from 15 mph to 25 mph to fit your narrative that I was exceeding the speed limit. There are 17 houses that face or partially face that stretch of Seminary Road. Have you collected data from each of them showing that traffic is now consistently moving at 25 miles per hour? If so, please post the details.

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Nary a bike this morning during the 18 minutes it took me to get from Quaker to Howard

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Fox 5 did a story

https://www.fox5dc.com/video/627516

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Anonymous wrote:The term “road diet” is such PR BS.

“Road Chokehold” is more appropriate.

I agree. I prefer "safer streets for everyone."

Sanctimonious Street is quite unsafe

I'll wait for the actual data. This ain't it.

I prefer experience over data. Data can be manipulated as was done throughout the process. I experience the delays on both Seminary and Janneys Lane daily. They were not there before the road diet. To avoid them, I take Howard to Braddock and Quaker back to Trinity, which is fast becoming a cut through. Wait until those rich people start complaining.

+ infinity. actual experience is the data motherload.

anecdotes are not data. The anecdotes already conflict.

What is the conflicting anecdote?

People I know (both option 3 supporters and neutrals) saying the road is fine almost all the time, even most rush hours.

Did you see the NBC4 piece last night? With the traffic flowing smoothly in the background as an opponent decried massive traffic jams?

It's not that the traffic flows smoothly but how long it takes to get from point A to point B. Before you could pass the car in the right lane going 15 miles an hour, now there is no place to go but to follow the car.

Before you could pass the car in the right lane going 25 miles an hour, now there is no place to go but to follow the car.

Fixed that for you. The video, and what people who live there have told me, is that now the traffic flows smoothly at 25MPH. I am sure that is frustrating for people who regularly exceeded the 25MPH limit there. But reducing speeds in excess of the limit was always the idea of this. Thats evidence the project has succeeded.

I am so glad that because "people who live there have told me" is all we need to hear. I live there, I drive there, my kids go to school over there, and I can tell you traffic isn't flowing because it isn't moving, the cut through traffic has exploded, my kids have been late to school and I have been late to work, and I really fear my property value is going to go down because of the traffic nightmare. So you and your random, simplistic statements mean zero.

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I am so glad that because "people who live there have told me" is all we need to hear.

This is an anon message board (in effect) I don't expect you to believe my (or my friend's) anecdotes, and I hope you do not expect me to believe yours.

I think the City will look at T&ES data. I think some people in the public may be interested in the news reports from NBC 4 and Fox 5. Both showed traffic moving smoothly. In the Fox piece, they stated that they stayed there all day.

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I am so glad that because "people who live there have told me" is all we need to hear.

This is an anon message board (in effect) I don't expect you to believe my (or my friend's) anecdotes, and I hope you do not expect me to believe yours.

I think the City will look at T&ES data. I think some people in the public may be interested in the news reports from NBC 4 and Fox 5. Both showed traffic moving smoothly. In the Fox piece, they stated that they stayed there all day.

I saw those reports. Neither were done at am rush hour. Bill’s videos and tweets of “data” are done at 1pm and one was in Veteran’s Day. Stop the gaslighting. Channel 9 was at Duck Donuts this morning and got an earful from residents. Give me a break. So glad your one friend says everything runs smoothly? Is it Bill Durham? From his lips to God’s ears.

Durham got some serious favors, in order to connect his house to his daughter’s via a bike lane and a special pedestrian walkway to his house. No government should be giving these kind of favors to an individual citizen. It really is just unethical the way all of this has gone down.

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I saw those reports. Neither were done at am rush hour.

Channel 5 says they were there all day. City data also includes AM rush hour. But are you now saying there is only problem at AM rush hour? Four days a week?


And the friend I was referring to (not sure why you are asking this IS an anon forum after all) is not a BPAC member,was not involved in the Seminary political battle, and does not ride a bike.

It IS certainly possible that despite driving on Seminary regularly, he does not drive WB at AM rush hour Monday to Thursday. I did not grill him on that.

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Anonymous wrote: Channel 9 was at Duck Donuts this morning and got an earful from residents.

I am not sure how Channel 9 could observe the conditions on Seminary Road from Bradlee Shopping Center. I hope they actually looked at the road, and did not just do more reporting of anecdotes.

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I saw those reports. Neither were done at am rush hour.

Channel 5 says they were there all day. City data also includes AM rush hour. But are you now saying there is only problem at AM rush hour? Four days a week?


And the friend I was referring to (not sure why you are asking this IS an anon forum after all) is not a BPAC member,was not involved in the Seminary political battle, and does not ride a bike.

It IS certainly possible that despite driving on Seminary regularly, he does not drive WB at AM rush hour Monday to Thursday. I did not grill him on that.

Your friend is highly likely yo be retired because many if the people in that neighborhood are retired and aren’t affected by the new patterns. By the time they meet their cronies for coffee at Alexandria Pastry, it is 10 am. After they pick up they’re prescriptions at Safeway and head home, it is 12 noon. They never see a rush hour

Why don’t you as St Stephen St Agnes bus drivers about their delays

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: Channel 9 was at Duck Donuts this morning and got an earful from residents.

I am not sure how Channel 9 could observe the conditions on Seminary Road from Bradlee Shopping Center. I hope they actually looked at the road, and did not just do more reporting of anecdotes.

Don’t worry, they drove it too. Channel 9, from its fb page. https://www.facebook.com/615502391900910/posts/2581855675265562?vh=e&d=n&sfns=mo

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Anonymous wrote: Channel 9 was at Duck Donuts this morning and got an earful from residents.

I am not sure how Channel 9 could observe the conditions on Seminary Road from Bradlee Shopping Center. I hope they actually looked at the road, and did not just do more reporting of anecdotes.

Don’t worry, they drove it too. Channel 9, from its fb page. https://www.facebook.com/615502391900910/posts/2581855675265562?vh=e&d=n&sfns=mo

Yup. It was backed up one way, west bound, when they drove, but was free flowing in the direction they were driving. By the time they did the on foot interviews, it was free flowing in both directions.

That is consistent with it being bad basically from 8AM to 9AM (but often a shorter period than that) WB, in the AM. (Of course not on Fridays or weekends).

So far, I don't see anything in contradiction to my impressions.

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Anonymous wrote: Channel 9 was at Duck Donuts this morning and got an earful from residents.

I am not sure how Channel 9 could observe the conditions on Seminary Road from Bradlee Shopping Center. I hope they actually looked at the road, and did not just do more reporting of anecdotes.

Don’t worry, they drove it too. Channel 9, from its fb page. https://www.facebook.com/615502391900910/posts/2581855675265562?vh=e&d=n&sfns=mo

Yup. It was backed up one way, west bound, when they drove, but was free flowing in the direction they were driving. By the time they did the on foot interviews, it was free flowing in both directions.

That is consistent with it being bad basically from 8AM to 9AM (but often a shorter period than that) WB, in the AM. (Of course not on Fridays or weekends).

So far, I don't see anything in contradiction to my impressions.

The interviews were around 11am, not rush hour. So glad your impressions from your one friend who lives there are still fast and true. Keep on keeping one. Maybe try driving there a normal weekday in the morning. Pretend your kid goes to SSSAS or Hammond or you need to go to the hospital, drop off and then then around to go to work.

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The interviews were around 11am, not rush hour.

I do not believe that is when the interviews were. Perhaps the reporter will clarify.