Alexandria schools - why so bad?!

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I can't imagine who would use the bike lanes on Seminary to commute.

People who live on or near Seminary road.

There is currently no low stress bike route going towards Old Town anywhere between the Arlington line and the Holmes Run Trail.

But the road diet proposal is to slow down traffic and make the road safer for everyone, not primarily to benefit cyclists.

There is not any data, absolutely none, that shows that the "road diet" has improved safety. The last time TES tried to show data in public, there were so many questions about it that couldn't be reasonably answered that it was clear that the validity had a score of -5 and the so-called "data" was withdrawn.

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Anonymous wrote:2 miles in Alexandria right now with our horrible traffic could mean a 30-40 minute commute for kids. That's ridiculous. Last week I went from Alexandria Hospital to the 1000 block of King Street at 3:10 pm. Took me 49 minutes. And we want high school kids to do that?

Thank you. Someone who gets it.

You need to talk to the Parking and Transportation Board as well as City Council because the proposal to change Seminary from 4 lanes to 2 lanes will make that traffic even worse.

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Yes. This is a major sticking point. My sense is that no one cares as long as they can "save $60 million" on the swing space they were going to renovate for MacArthur. It's going to be terrible.

The bike lobby is nuts! The majority of the Seminary Hill residents do care and have pushed back, as the bike lobby though this idea (like all their others) would be rubber stamped and quickly approved. I think an alternative is to keep 4 lanes but make all of them more narrow, widen the sidewalk, add a bike lane. I am not sure how all those are possible and making the lanes more narrow is a mistake. I live in Rosemont, and ever since the city made the King Street lanes more narrow, to accommodate a bike lane that bikers RARELY use, the traffic goes slower most of the time but the amount of traffic has only increased (instead of the traffic diet theory that people going slower would frustrate some and force drivers to pick an alternative route and thus a diet or decrease in overall traffic would occur). I cannot barely leave my neighborhood after 2:45pm on weekdays. The traffic is horrific and stays that way until about 7:30pm. I cannot imagine busing kids from TC or Mnnie Howard or Hammond to other campuses, especially going east.

People use the bike lanes on King Street all the time, especially to get to and from the Metro during rush hour.

I can't imagine who would use the bike lanes on Seminary to commute.

People rarely use the bike lane on King between Russell and Janneys: according to me who lives in Rosemont and several of my neighbors who live ON king. The bike lane is too narrow, there is t much broom for a bike to safely ride next to traffic and serious bikers know this, they might go through Rosemont and come up Maple/ Walnut to access Kong but they’re not starting all he way down at Russell, 2) the hill is just too steep to safely go down or to realistically go up. Most bikes I’ve seen in the years that bike lane has been there have been on the sidewalk. Maybe you’re talking about King closer to TC but in Rosemont no, people are not using it with the frequency needed to justify the changes that were made years ago.

x1000 PP Well said. It is a ridiculous change that needs to be undone. It is causing horrible congestion on King Street AND Braddock Road AND Duke Street because of the lack of traffic flow on King. Between the bike lobby and the TE&S people who don't live in the city but make arbitrary and capricious decisions that affect our daily lives, we're in a horrible position.

P.S., we also live in Rosemont and we are totally against the 3 lane concept where 1 lane is completely unusable.

King Street in that stretch was always one lane in each direction. The bike lanes took parking, not lanes. The traffic there has nothing to do with the bike lanes.

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What are you talking about, PP? The move from 4 lanes to 2 lanes with the absurd middle lane for turns going nowhere definitely affects traffic in a negative way. No one except you is arguing about the two lanes on King Street by the Masonic Temple. If you live here then feel free to post, otherwise you don't know what you're talking about. My life and the lives of my family members have been negatively impacted in a significant way by the bike lobby and TES shenanigans with King Street. All the TES people need to be fired.

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Anonymous wrote:2 miles in Alexandria right now with our horrible traffic could mean a 30-40 minute commute for kids. That's ridiculous. Last week I went from Alexandria Hospital to the 1000 block of King Street at 3:10 pm. Took me 49 minutes. And we want high school kids to do that?

Thank you. Someone who gets it.

You need to talk to the Parking and Transportation Board as well as City Council because the proposal to change Seminary from 4 lanes to 2 lanes will make that traffic even worse.

3 lanes not 4, won't cost more than a few seconds at peak.

I remember fondly the cries that the King St project would basically be the end of civilization as we know it and yet life goes on. Then the lowered speed limits on Quaker was going to wreak havoc and yet it didn't. Then the lower speed limit on US1 was going to cause even more gridlock but it didn't.

It's almost as if the anti-anything-but-cars lobby has one heck of an itchy trigger finger.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about, PP? The move from 4 lanes to 2 lanes with the absurd middle lane for turns going nowhere definitely affects traffic in a negative way. No one except you is arguing about the two lanes on King Street by the Masonic Temple. If you live here then feel free to post, otherwise you don't know what you're talking about. My life and the lives of my family members have been negatively impacted in a significant way by the bike lobby and TES shenanigans with King Street. All the TES people need to be fired.

I was under the impression we were talking about the stretch of King around Rosemont and Cedar, which is often backed up to Janneys during rush hour. I'm not sure what you're talking about--further west, maybe--but I was simply making the point that having bike lanes in that stretch has been helpful for many people. Less so now that giant d-bags on scooters use them, and that people somehow think it's appropriate to jog in a bike lane when there are perfectly good sidewalks, but such is the d-baggery that exists. Sorry to have derailed the thread about ACPS.

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Anonymous wrote:2 miles in Alexandria right now with our horrible traffic could mean a 30-40 minute commute for kids. That's ridiculous. Last week I went from Alexandria Hospital to the 1000 block of King Street at 3:10 pm. Took me 49 minutes. And we want high school kids to do that?

Thank you. Someone who gets it.

You need to talk to the Parking and Transportation Board as well as City Council because the proposal to change Seminary from 4 lanes to 2 lanes will make that traffic even worse.

3 lanes not 4, won't cost more than a few seconds at peak.

I remember fondly the cries that the King St project would basically be the end of civilization as we know it and yet life goes on. Then the lowered speed limits on Quaker was going to wreak havoc and yet it didn't. Then the lower speed limit on US1 was going to cause even more gridlock but it didn't.

It's almost as if the anti-anything-but-cars lobby has one heck of an itchy trigger finger.

So you live on King Street, Quaker and Route 1? Amazing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:2 miles in Alexandria right now with our horrible traffic could mean a 30-40 minute commute for kids. That's ridiculous. Last week I went from Alexandria Hospital to the 1000 block of King Street at 3:10 pm. Took me 49 minutes. And we want high school kids to do that?

Thank you. Someone who gets it.

You need to talk to the Parking and Transportation Board as well as City Council because the proposal to change Seminary from 4 lanes to 2 lanes will make that traffic even worse.

3 lanes not 4, won't cost more than a few seconds at peak.

I remember fondly the cries that the King St project would basically be the end of civilization as we know it and yet life goes on. Then the lowered speed limits on Quaker was going to wreak havoc and yet it didn't. Then the lower speed limit on US1 was going to cause even more gridlock but it didn't.

It's almost as if the anti-anything-but-cars lobby has one heck of an itchy trigger finger.

So you live on King Street, Quaker and Route 1? Amazing.

Not that poster, but does someone have to live on a road to ascertain data related to its traffic? What's truly amazing is the number of Infiniti-SUV-driving, athleisure-wearing moms in Alexandria who never ride an actual bike outside of a gym or their semi-finished basements.

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Anonymous wrote:2 miles in Alexandria right now with our horrible traffic could mean a 30-40 minute commute for kids. That's ridiculous. Last week I went from Alexandria Hospital to the 1000 block of King Street at 3:10 pm. Took me 49 minutes. And we want high school kids to do that?

Thank you. Someone who gets it.

You need to talk to the Parking and Transportation Board as well as City Council because the proposal to change Seminary from 4 lanes to 2 lanes will make that traffic even worse.

3 lanes not 4, won't cost more than a few seconds at peak.

I remember fondly the cries that the King St project would basically be the end of civilization as we know it and yet life goes on. Then the lowered speed limits on Quaker was going to wreak havoc and yet it didn't. Then the lower speed limit on US1 was going to cause even more gridlock but it didn't.

It's almost as if the anti-anything-but-cars lobby has one heck of an itchy trigger finger.

So you live on King Street, Quaker and Route 1? Amazing.

It's almost as if driving those streets multiple times per day everyday for the last 6 years can give me a good idea of what the changes have and haven't done to the traffic flow. What they haven't done is created the OMG MASS GRIDLOCK that the SUVS-UBER-ALLES crowd claimed, nor has it even really had a noticeable impact on travel times for anyone who isn't flying or impatient as all get-out.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2 miles in Alexandria right now with our horrible traffic could mean a 30-40 minute commute for kids. That's ridiculous. Last week I went from Alexandria Hospital to the 1000 block of King Street at 3:10 pm. Took me 49 minutes. And we want high school kids to do that?

Thank you. Someone who gets it.

You need to talk to the Parking and Transportation Board as well as City Council because the proposal to change Seminary from 4 lanes to 2 lanes will make that traffic even worse.

3 lanes not 4, won't cost more than a few seconds at peak.

I remember fondly the cries that the King St project would basically be the end of civilization as we know it and yet life goes on. Then the lowered speed limits on Quaker was going to wreak havoc and yet it didn't. Then the lower speed limit on US1 was going to cause even more gridlock but it didn't.

It's almost as if the anti-anything-but-cars lobby has one heck of an itchy trigger finger.

So you live on King Street, Quaker and Route 1? Amazing.

It's almost as if driving those streets multiple times per day everyday for the last 6 years can give me a good idea of what the changes have and haven't done to the traffic flow. What they haven't done is created the OMG MASS GRIDLOCK that the SUVS-UBER-ALLES crowd claimed, nor has it even really had a noticeable impact on travel times for anyone who isn't flying or impatient as all get-out.

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Please see my previous post. They are impatiently driving to Soul Cycle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2 miles in Alexandria right now with our horrible traffic could mean a 30-40 minute commute for kids. That's ridiculous. Last week I went from Alexandria Hospital to the 1000 block of King Street at 3:10 pm. Took me 49 minutes. And we want high school kids to do that?

Thank you. Someone who gets it.

You need to talk to the Parking and Transportation Board as well as City Council because the proposal to change Seminary from 4 lanes to 2 lanes will make that traffic even worse.

3 lanes not 4, won't cost more than a few seconds at peak.

I remember fondly the cries that the King St project would basically be the end of civilization as we know it and yet life goes on. Then the lowered speed limits on Quaker was going to wreak havoc and yet it didn't. Then the lower speed limit on US1 was going to cause even more gridlock but it didn't.

It's almost as if the anti-anything-but-cars lobby has one heck of an itchy trigger finger.

There you are the anti-peloton bike vigilante! I wonder when you would have this convo jump the shark.

So you live on King Street, Quaker and Route 1? Amazing.

Not that poster, but does someone have to live on a road to ascertain data related to its traffic? What's truly amazing is the number of Infiniti-SUV-driving, athleisure-wearing moms in Alexandria who never ride an actual bike outside of a gym or their semi-finished basements.

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It's almost as if driving those streets multiple times per day everyday for the last 6 years can give me a good idea of what the changes have and haven't done to the traffic flow. What they haven't done is created the OMG MASS GRIDLOCK that the SUVS-UBER-ALLES crowd claimed, nor has it even really had a noticeable impact on travel times for anyone who isn't flying or impatient as all get-out.

My neighbors and I would be happy to begin keeping logs and posting them. The road redesign has had an appreciable negative impact on our lives. 3 weeks ago it took me 47 minutes to go from TC to the bottom of Prince Street. I was running a car pool. We were using Waze. I should be able to get a bunch of 14 year-olds, loaded with gear, a distance of less than 2 miles in less than 47 minutes at about 4 in the afternoon. Just because YOU have nothing better to do PP doesn't mean the same holds true for the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I can't imagine who would use the bike lanes on Seminary to commute.

People who live on or near Seminary road.

There is currently no low stress bike route going towards Old Town anywhere between the Arlington line and the Holmes Run Trail.

But the road diet proposal is to slow down traffic and make the road safer for everyone, not primarily to benefit cyclists.

There is not any data, absolutely none, that shows that the "road diet" has improved safety. The last time TES tried to show data in public, there were so many questions about it that couldn't be reasonably answered that it was clear that the validity had a score of -5 and the so-called "data" was withdrawn.

Yes, it seems pretty corrupt by Staff.

[Anonymous]

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It's almost as if driving those streets multiple times per day everyday for the last 6 years can give me a good idea of what the changes have and haven't done to the traffic flow. What they haven't done is created the OMG MASS GRIDLOCK that the SUVS-UBER-ALLES crowd claimed, nor has it even really had a noticeable impact on travel times for anyone who isn't flying or impatient as all get-out.

My neighbors and I would be happy to begin keeping logs and posting them. The road redesign has had an appreciable negative impact on our lives. 3 weeks ago it took me 47 minutes to go from TC to the bottom of Prince Street. I was running a car pool. We were using Waze. I should be able to get a bunch of 14 year-olds, loaded with gear, a distance of less than 2 miles in less than 47 minutes at about 4 in the afternoon. Just because YOU have nothing better to do PP doesn't mean the same holds true for the rest of us.

4 in the afternoon is rush hour. We live in a city. People who work are commuting. Should people stay off the road so no one is late for crew?

[Anonymous]

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It's almost as if driving those streets multiple times per day everyday for the last 6 years can give me a good idea of what the changes have and haven't done to the traffic flow. What they haven't done is created the OMG MASS GRIDLOCK that the SUVS-UBER-ALLES crowd claimed, nor has it even really had a noticeable impact on travel times for anyone who isn't flying or impatient as all get-out.

My neighbors and I would be happy to begin keeping logs and posting them. The road redesign has had an appreciable negative impact on our lives. 3 weeks ago it took me 47 minutes to go from TC to the bottom of Prince Street. I was running a car pool. We were using Waze. I should be able to get a bunch of 14 year-olds, loaded with gear, a distance of less than 2 miles in less than 47 minutes at about 4 in the afternoon. Just because YOU have nothing better to do PP doesn't mean the same holds true for the rest of us.

4 in the afternoon is rush hour. We live in a city. People who work are commuting. Should people stay off the road so no one is late for crew?

Crew? No. 47 minutes to go a couple of miles in a small city is outrageous. That you don't think so signals how far out of touch you are with the people who live here, who work here, who shop here and who eat at restaurants here. I know families who live in my part of Alexandria who refuse to go to Old Town or Del Ray because there is no parking and there is horrible traffic. Now here you and people like you are consigning kids to battle it every day several times a day to get back and forth between classes? Kids who have few resources and who already are feeling under siege because they've been tracked into a vocational education program? You make me embarrassed that you have any affiliation with Alexandria.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I can't imagine who would use the bike lanes on Seminary to commute.

People who live on or near Seminary road.

There is currently no low stress bike route going towards Old Town anywhere between the Arlington line and the Holmes Run Trail.

But the road diet proposal is to slow down traffic and make the road safer for everyone, not primarily to benefit cyclists.

There is not any data, absolutely none, that shows that the "road diet" has improved safety. The last time TES tried to show data in public, there were so many questions about it that couldn't be reasonably answered that it was clear that the validity had a score of -5 and the so-called "data" was withdrawn.

Yes, it seems pretty corrupt by Staff.

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