This is true. The people who work most closely with the most disabled are often the least educated and trained. It is heart breaking. I can't imagine the fear parents of non-verbal children have when they send their children to school. |
Except that isn't what happened so stop painting the student as an out-of-control monstrous sized psycho. You are out of line. |
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You are out of line... on an anonymous board where we are requested to give our opinions. So, very, out of line. Looks like mom finally showed up. |
| The thing is that we are asking too much of our schools and our teachers. They don’t just have to know their subject matter and how to impart that knowledge, they have to be special ed teachers, they have to be social workers and psychologists, they have to be de facto parents oh and as a society we will undervalue them, second guess them and the parents will harass them. Why would you want your SN child taught by someone who is not a specialist? It would be like having your PCP treat your heart disease. It is a recipe for everyone to be underserved. The SN kids would be better served in an environment that caters to their needs and then look for ways to promote social inclusion on another level. |
wait, who is out of line? you're the one making up alarmist counter-factuals. gtfo. |
give me a break. this was a child with SPECIAL NEEDS, transported via a bus that was set up specifically to handle kids with SPECIAL NEEDS, using money in part from the federal government for use with children with SPECIAL NEEDS. Unless you think kids with special needs should be kept in purdah at home, I don't know what you think you're saying. you know nothing. |
A SN bus staffed with people who were undertrained and underpaid. I’m not sure how much we can expect of people that we are probably paying $18 an hour. They should be better trained and better pod but the money isn’t there. Hell we pay the people who take care of our infants like $12 an hour. These kids require a level of service that we as a society either can’t or won’t pay for plain and simple. |
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I'm out of line? Talk to my friends who taught in the ED programs in the county. THEN tell me I'm out of line. again - entitlement |
entitlement not to have disabled kids be mistreated? what exactly do you want, permission to use cattle prods? it's been explained to you numerous time that poor training and behavior on the part of the staff in reaction to expected behavior by the child is what lead to this incident. but, you are insistent that all disabled boys are monsters who need to be handcuffed, so ... |
I don’t think anyone is saying that disabled kids are monsters are deserve to be mistreated. What they are saying is that you have staff working with inadequate resources and that some SN kids are capable of inflicting real harm to staff and their peers. |
Your entire position is based on your belief that students in special ed, and maybe all people with disabilities, are less valuable than their neutotypical peers. When you say we are asking too much of the schools and teachers to educate children with disabilities, you give away your bigotry. You are arguing that it is acceptable and better to discriminate against people with disabilities. You are pretending that all students in special ed come in one flavor - the oversized violent almost psychopathic rage filled student represents your entire understandng of special ed. This does not represent most children in special ed. Despite this distinction, even the most disabled student in this country is entitled to an appropriate education. Federal laws make this so. The feds give money to the schools for special ed. Your question re why would parents want their kid taught by someone other than a specialist shows you know nothing about special ed in the public school systems. There are supposed to be specialists in the schools who are knowlegeable enough to help their student population. And btw, I guess you haven't been in a public school lately because most have psychologists and social workers. Teachers have also been acting in those roles for neurotypical children whenever needed. It bugs you if they have to do it for these other children. IDEA is based on the premise that these students will have individualized plans to help them access academic content. The schools are tasked to provide these specialists. The problem is that too many people are bigots like you and many school systems, at every turn, do everything they can to undermine and take funds from special ed. It seems you are arguing that all students with disabilities should be shunned and segregated. You don't understand disabilites or how school systems are supposed to work with the population. Because they take short cuts or cut funding, services aren't provided or innappropriate people are given jobs they should have and abusive situations occur. The wonderful legislators who passed the IDEA knew that the only way to ensure disabled people were given a fair chance was to create federal laws that would make it illegal to discriminate against them. What you propose is discrimination against people with disabilities. |
| How much money per SN student Fed give to MCPS? What are the cost per SN student in MCPS? Should the bus driver and para ed be paid more when they work with SN student? A bus picks up a SN student on our street every day morning. Usually, he is the only student on the bus. Does MCPS provide one bus for every SN student? |
There's plenty that they can and should do. Provide the student with a paraeducator to monitor and direct appropriate behavior. Move the child to a different classes but one in the least restrictive environment. Have a IEP discussion to develop a Behavioral Intervention Plan. Finally, children with special needs are not immune from punishment that aligns with the student code of conduct. Some of these may have been implemented but there are confidentiality restrictions so you would not be informed as to what the school did with the student |