Boundary review can’t come soon enough

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Anonymous wrote:Reading this thread just makes me want to move to Arlington.

- IB Lafayette, formerly IB Murch, location chosen solely for access to Wilson

What exactly are you afraid of? Do you honestly think your kid's outcomes will be measurably different if they have to cross to my side of the Park every day for school (which I don't think is likely, but still)?

I mean, if you want to move to VA, go ahead, but I'm just trying to understand what the fear is here.

Have you seen the PARCC scores? I think it’s not unreasonable to assume my kid won’t be at grade level, when his classmates aren’t at grade level. And for me, my kid demonstrating the skills he’s supposed to have (by testing at grade level) equates to a good outcome.

There are data to suggest that kids from affluent backgrounds do well even if they attend schools with large low SES populations. This has been discussed here a number of times here, but apparently the fear of lower SES classmates dragging down your kids still persists.

I don’t really agree with this based on personal experience. I went to an UMC suburban high school and then went to an Ivy for college. I was out of my depth, compared to students who came from prep schools. Schools matter.

DP, but the point is that you probably would have fared the same in college in terms of readiness if you came from a suburban high school with more economic and at-risk diversity. Comparing to kids coming from private is apples to oranges.

+1. I'm the PP that mentioned data. Here's one data point that relates to the black-white achievement gap in 8th grade students:

"White student achievement in schools with the highest Black student density did not differ from White student achievement in schools with the lowest density."

"The Black–White achievement gap was larger in the highest density schools than in the lowest density schools."

So it seems that integrated schools help minority students' performances (although they don't entirely erase the achievement gap), and don't harm white students' performance.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/subject/studies/pdf/school_composition_and_the_bw_achievement_gap_2015.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading this thread just makes me want to move to Arlington.

- IB Lafayette, formerly IB Murch, location chosen solely for access to Wilson

What exactly are you afraid of? Do you honestly think your kid's outcomes will be measurably different if they have to cross to my side of the Park every day for school (which I don't think is likely, but still)?

I mean, if you want to move to VA, go ahead, but I'm just trying to understand what the fear is here.

Have you seen the PARCC scores? I think it’s not unreasonable to assume my kid won’t be at grade level, when his classmates aren’t at grade level. And for me, my kid demonstrating the skills he’s supposed to have (by testing at grade level) equates to a good outcome.

There are data to suggest that kids from affluent backgrounds do well even if they attend schools with large low SES populations. This has been discussed here a number of times here, but apparently the fear of lower SES classmates dragging down your kids still persists.

I don’t really agree with this based on personal experience. I went to an UMC suburban high school and then went to an Ivy for college. I was out of my depth, compared to students who came from prep schools. Schools matter.

DP, but the point is that you probably would have fared the same in college in terms of readiness if you came from a suburban high school with more economic and at-risk diversity. Comparing to kids coming from private is apples to oranges.

+1. I'm the PP that mentioned data. Here's one data point that relates to the black-white achievement gap in 8th grade students:

"White student achievement in schools with the highest Black student density did not differ from White student achievement in schools with the lowest density."

"The Black–White achievement gap was larger in the highest density schools than in the lowest density schools."

So it seems that integrated schools help minority students' performances (although they don't entirely erase the achievement gap), and don't harm white students' performance.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/subject/studies/pdf/school_composition_and_the_bw_achievement_gap_2015.pdf

I’m the PP who wants to move to Arlington and I’m Asian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading this thread just makes me want to move to Arlington.

- IB Lafayette, formerly IB Murch, location chosen solely for access to Wilson

What exactly are you afraid of? Do you honestly think your kid's outcomes will be measurably different if they have to cross to my side of the Park every day for school (which I don't think is likely, but still)?

I mean, if you want to move to VA, go ahead, but I'm just trying to understand what the fear is here.

Have you seen the PARCC scores? I think it’s not unreasonable to assume my kid won’t be at grade level, when his classmates aren’t at grade level. And for me, my kid demonstrating the skills he’s supposed to have (by testing at grade level) equates to a good outcome.

There are data to suggest that kids from affluent backgrounds do well even if they attend schools with large low SES populations. This has been discussed here a number of times here, but apparently the fear of lower SES classmates dragging down your kids still persists.

I don’t really agree with this based on personal experience. I went to an UMC suburban high school and then went to an Ivy for college. I was out of my depth, compared to students who came from prep schools. Schools matter.

DP, but the point is that you probably would have fared the same in college in terms of readiness if you came from a suburban high school with more economic and at-risk diversity. Comparing to kids coming from private is apples to oranges.

+1. I'm the PP that mentioned data. Here's one data point that relates to the black-white achievement gap in 8th grade students:

"White student achievement in schools with the highest Black student density did not differ from White student achievement in schools with the lowest density."

"The Black–White achievement gap was larger in the highest density schools than in the lowest density schools."

So it seems that integrated schools help minority students' performances (although they don't entirely erase the achievement gap), and don't harm white students' performance.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/subject/studies/pdf/school_composition_and_the_bw_achievement_gap_2015.pdf

I’m the PP who wants to move to Arlington and I’m Asian.

PP. Gee, I'm 1/2 Asian too. Since Asian American students (at least for some groups) tend to perform better on average than white students, I'd imagine (although haven't seen the data) that attending a more diverse school would have a similarly negligible effect on average performance for Asian American students.

Of course, if there are special needs, or other special circumstances, families should consider those. Families, of course, know their kids best. But on average, the data would suggest that WOTP student performance won't be harmed if they attend EOTP/more diverse schools, and black/Latino students benefit academically from having more diverse schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, you're a racist if you don't want your kid to go to schools where 20% (or less) of the cohort can perform at grade level. Nucking Futs.

Yes because test scores reflect race, income, and mother’s education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look Lafayette will be joining Shepherd at Ida Wells. Only moving Shepherd out of Deal is silly because only 40 kids at most go to Deal. 40 kids is nothing. Moving all Ward 4 schools to Wells make perfect sense and will definitely reduce numbers.

A big chunk of Lafayette is in Ward 3.

Again, removing Shepherd doesn’t fix anything. A larger school must go.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look Lafayette will be joining Shepherd at Ida Wells. Only moving Shepherd out of Deal is silly because only 40 kids at most go to Deal. 40 kids is nothing. Moving all Ward 4 schools to Wells make perfect sense and will definitely reduce numbers.

A big chunk of Lafayette is in Ward 3.

Again, removing Shepherd doesn’t fix anything. A larger school must go.

How about Murch?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look Lafayette will be joining Shepherd at Ida Wells. Only moving Shepherd out of Deal is silly because only 40 kids at most go to Deal. 40 kids is nothing. Moving all Ward 4 schools to Wells make perfect sense and will definitely reduce numbers.

A big chunk of Lafayette is in Ward 3.

Again, removing Shepherd doesn’t fix anything. A larger school must go.

Isn't Lafayette Elementary itself in Ward 4?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look Lafayette will be joining Shepherd at Ida Wells. Only moving Shepherd out of Deal is silly because only 40 kids at most go to Deal. 40 kids is nothing. Moving all Ward 4 schools to Wells make perfect sense and will definitely reduce numbers.

A big chunk of Lafayette is in Ward 3.

Again, removing Shepherd doesn’t fix anything. A larger school must go.

Isn't Lafayette Elementary itself in Ward 4?

Yes it is. Also, wards in boundary don't really matter much. There are many ward 1, 2, and 4 kids that go to school in Ward 3. Ward 3 Lafayette kids can go to Wells/Coolidge. It won't be the end of the world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, you're a racist if you don't want your kid to go to schools where 20% (or less) of the cohort can perform at grade level. Nucking Futs.

Yes because test scores reflect race, income, and mother’s education.

Most of us would be surprised at how prevalent this attitude is, if not for DCUM. So, thanks for that. For those of us who are sane and value a quality education, it is "Exhibit A" as to why so many run in horror and fear outside of D.C. boundaries, when our kids are in 4th and 5th grade. Once again, thank you for being willing to share your honest perspective on our ostensibly shared reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, you're a racist if you don't want your kid to go to schools where 20% (or less) of the cohort can perform at grade level. Nucking Futs.

Yes because test scores reflect race, income, and mother’s education.

Test scores probably also reflect how well the students did on the test, which might be correlated with how well the students mastered the material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, you're a racist if you don't want your kid to go to schools where 20% (or less) of the cohort can perform at grade level. Nucking Futs.

Yes because test scores reflect race, income, and mother’s education.

Test scores probably also reflect how well the students did on the test, which might be correlated with how well the students mastered the material.

Spoken like someone born on third base thinking they hit a triple

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look Lafayette will be joining Shepherd at Ida Wells. Only moving Shepherd out of Deal is silly because only 40 kids at most go to Deal. 40 kids is nothing. Moving all Ward 4 schools to Wells make perfect sense and will definitely reduce numbers.

A big chunk of Lafayette is in Ward 3.

Again, removing Shepherd doesn’t fix anything. A larger school must go.

How about Murch?

Murch has no more legal right to be in boundary for Deal and Wilson than Shepherd and Bancroft . . .

[Anonymous]

So which area is going to be the sacrificial lamb?

I still think it will be ridiculously gerrymandered Mount Pleasant. There's a lot of families and density in Mt. P and it may go a long way to solving the over-crowding at Deal. I think it will also help stave off the bruising fight between Ward 3 and 4 parents about access. It's also a bit ridiculous that Mt. P goes to Deal when there's literally a few different MS programs within a short walk from the neighborhood.

I still can't believe this map passed the last boundary review. I suppose the old map with Crestwood was even worse.

https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/publication/attachments/Deal.pdf

For comparison, look at the Hardy feeder map:
https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/publication/attachments/Hardy.pdf

[Anonymous]

Murch has no more legal right to be in boundary for Deal and Wilson than Shepherd and Bancroft . . .

Are you always this much of a trolling gadfly?

Murch is the closest elementary school to Deal, literally steps away. But sure, let's bring back 1971-era social engineering and make Murch kids go to Stuart Hobson maybe. Or, McFarland?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look Lafayette will be joining Shepherd at Ida Wells. Only moving Shepherd out of Deal is silly because only 40 kids at most go to Deal. 40 kids is nothing. Moving all Ward 4 schools to Wells make perfect sense and will definitely reduce numbers.

A big chunk of Lafayette is in Ward 3.

Again, removing Shepherd doesn’t fix anything. A larger school must go.

Isn't Lafayette Elementary itself in Ward 4?

Yes - it’s on the boundary of ward 4 but more than half of the inbounds population lives in Ward 3