Deal Behavior

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is tough being a teacher in DCPS. There is no student accountability. We are constantly told to excuse student behavior for a myriad of reasons but given no support for the fallout. There is a reason for the high teacher turnover rate in DCPS despite the high salaries and Deal is no exception.

What needs to be done? What should parents do?

Vote the Mayor out, or take your kid to a better school.

One way to ease Deal overcrowding and remove some of the worse bahaving students at Deal is to end OOB feeder rights after fifth grade.

Racist much? Two of the craziest stories I've heard about behavior at Deal were caused by kids who live within walking distance of the school.

Sounds to me YOU are racist much?

PP above said nothing about race. S/he just shared an idea, based on either accurate or inaccurate data -- can you enlighten usbwith data?

So the earlier poster was alleging that the misbehaving kids at Deal are upper middle class white kids from Capital Hill & Brookland? How would the earlier poster make assumptions about what kids are OOB or does she have some magic power to determine where everyone lives?

Sorry but the earlier poster was making assumptions that the rowdy kids are AA and are OOB and the group that should be removed. I have no idea if either of those things are true but do know a couple of the craziest things that have happened at the school were caused by kids who walk to school.

And I'm pretty confident the earlier poster would be happy with a whiter Deal which he/she assumes would mean a better behaving student body.

Thank you for acknowledging you have no idea what you are talking about.

Few people are so open.

Now perhaps you can find some data, if the topic interests you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is tough being a teacher in DCPS. There is no student accountability. We are constantly told to excuse student behavior for a myriad of reasons but given no support for the fallout. There is a reason for the high teacher turnover rate in DCPS despite the high salaries and Deal is no exception.

What needs to be done? What should parents do?

Vote the Mayor out, or take your kid to a better school.

One way to ease Deal overcrowding and remove some of the worse bahaving students at Deal is to end OOB feeder rights after fifth grade.

Racist much? Two of the craziest stories I've heard about behavior at Deal were caused by kids who live within walking distance of the school.

Sounds to me YOU are racist much?

PP above said nothing about race. S/he just shared an idea, based on either accurate or inaccurate data -- can you enlighten usbwith data?

So the earlier poster was alleging that the misbehaving kids at Deal are upper middle class white kids from Capital Hill & Brookland? How would the earlier poster make assumptions about what kids are OOB or does she have some magic power to determine where everyone lives?

Sorry but the earlier poster was making assumptions that the rowdy kids are AA and are OOB and the group that should be removed. I have no idea if either of those things are true but do know a couple of the craziest things that have happened at the school were caused by kids who walk to school.

And I'm pretty confident the earlier poster would be happy with a whiter Deal which he/she assumes would mean a better behaving student body.

Thank you for acknowledging you have no idea what you are talking about.

Few people are so open.

Now perhaps you can find some data, if the topic interests you?

So enlighten us - you are confident the bad behavior at Deal is coming from OOB kids based on what?? You've been charging in uninvited to every disciplinary meeting and checking everyone's ID's to see where they live? Or following them home from these conferences?

You, or the person you are defending, is alleging that getting rid of OOB kids will solve the problem. So what is your proof that OOB are the problem and how do you know this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So how many people whose kids with witnessing illegal or violent behavior are withdrawing your students.

I’m not. Most everything discussed, excluding the girl pushing the boy down the stairs—only because we didn’t have any, happened at my middle school. Pretty normal, IMHO. I think DC has a large number of pearl-clutching parents who want their kids to have some small town middle school experience. They just can’t deal with the reality that their children are attending a large urban middle school so they lash out at minorities, OOB, and poor kids. They have a chip on their shoulder that they can’t afford Sidwell or St. Albans/NCS.

Uh, no. And I’m not a Deal parent or at a feeder school so have no skin in the game. Sounds like major problems. Parents like you who don’t acknowledge it is bad for the school. Instead, parents should acknowledge it’s a problem, advocate that administration take action to address it, and have transparent consequences for these kids and follow thru.

The attitude that it’s nothing will just make the problem worst. Kids that get away with this will continue to do so and influence other kids. Worst of all, it’s distracting and disruptive to all the kids who want to learn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So how many people whose kids with witnessing illegal or violent behavior are withdrawing your students.

I’m not. Most everything discussed, excluding the girl pushing the boy down the stairs—only because we didn’t have any, happened at my middle school. Pretty normal, IMHO. I think DC has a large number of pearl-clutching parents who want their kids to have some small town middle school experience. They just can’t deal with the reality that their children are attending a large urban middle school so they lash out at minorities, OOB, and poor kids. They have a chip on their shoulder that they can’t afford Sidwell or St. Albans/NCS.

Uh, no. And I’m not a Deal parent or at a feeder school so have no skin in the game. Sounds like major problems. Parents like you who don’t acknowledge it is bad for the school. Instead, parents should acknowledge it’s a problem, advocate that administration take action to address it, and have transparent consequences for these kids and follow thru.

The attitude that it’s nothing will just make the problem worst. Kids that get away with this will continue to do so and influence other kids. Worst of all, it’s distracting and disruptive to all the kids who want to learn.

Are you even a DCPS parent? Somehow I bet you are not.

You cannot have transparent consequences when there are minors involved.

No one said these incidents are minor or that anyone should get away with anything - please cut and paste where someone said that - but what I and others have said is that these incidents are not that unusual for a large and diverse middle school. I posted this last night but Deal is tame compared to what I dealt with at the same age.

Also there is no evidence that I am aware of that the school is not dealing with all of the incidents - aside from some allegations on this thread I've never heard that and we know one of the parties involved in an oft discussed incident and it was definitely dealt with though of course there are apparently other incidents and maybe some of those were not but our anecdotal experience is that the school is aggressively dealing with these issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how many people whose kids with witnessing illegal or violent behavior are withdrawing your students.

I’m not. Most everything discussed, excluding the girl pushing the boy down the stairs—only because we didn’t have any, happened at my middle school. Pretty normal, IMHO. I think DC has a large number of pearl-clutching parents who want their kids to have some small town middle school experience. They just can’t deal with the reality that their children are attending a large urban middle school so they lash out at minorities, OOB, and poor kids. They have a chip on their shoulder that they can’t afford Sidwell or St. Albans/NCS.

Uh, no. And I’m not a Deal parent or at a feeder school so have no skin in the game. Sounds like major problems. Parents like you who don’t acknowledge it is bad for the school. Instead, parents should acknowledge it’s a problem, advocate that administration take action to address it, and have transparent consequences for these kids and follow thru.

The attitude that it’s nothing will just make the problem worst. Kids that get away with this will continue to do so and influence other kids. Worst of all, it’s distracting and disruptive to all the kids who want to learn.

Are you even a DCPS parent? Somehow I bet you are not.

You cannot have transparent consequences when there are minors involved.

No one said these incidents are minor or that anyone should get away with anything - please cut and paste where someone said that - but what I and others have said is that these incidents are not that unusual for a large and diverse middle school. I posted this last night but Deal is tame compared to what I dealt with at the same age.

Also there is no evidence that I am aware of that the school is not dealing with all of the incidents - aside from some allegations on this thread I've never heard that and we know one of the parties involved in an oft discussed incident and it was definitely dealt with though of course there are apparently other incidents and maybe some of those were not but our anecdotal experience is that the school is aggressively dealing with these issues.

Yes I have a child in DC in school.

The poster made incorrect and baseless assumptions about pearl clutching parents with chips on their shoulder whose kids did not get into private school.
They said this is normal - translate how you want but normal to most people implies expected, not of consequences. It sure is not serious or major, i.e minor.
Teacher turnover is high, and a teacher posted on here that administration is not supporting them in dealing with behavior problems.

When I say transparent consequences, I’m not talking about parents. I’m saying lay out consequences for behavior x, y, z to all staff and parents in a manual and these consequences are transparent to the staff and any teacher involved in the incident.

But carry on with eyes close and it’s all normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how many people whose kids with witnessing illegal or violent behavior are withdrawing your students.

I’m not. Most everything discussed, excluding the girl pushing the boy down the stairs—only because we didn’t have any, happened at my middle school. Pretty normal, IMHO. I think DC has a large number of pearl-clutching parents who want their kids to have some small town middle school experience. They just can’t deal with the reality that their children are attending a large urban middle school so they lash out at minorities, OOB, and poor kids. They have a chip on their shoulder that they can’t afford Sidwell or St. Albans/NCS.

Uh, no. And I’m not a Deal parent or at a feeder school so have no skin in the game. Sounds like major problems. Parents like you who don’t acknowledge it is bad for the school. Instead, parents should acknowledge it’s a problem, advocate that administration take action to address it, and have transparent consequences for these kids and follow thru.

The attitude that it’s nothing will just make the problem worst. Kids that get away with this will continue to do so and influence other kids. Worst of all, it’s distracting and disruptive to all the kids who want to learn.

Are you even a DCPS parent? Somehow I bet you are not.

You cannot have transparent consequences when there are minors involved.

No one said these incidents are minor or that anyone should get away with anything - please cut and paste where someone said that - but what I and others have said is that these incidents are not that unusual for a large and diverse middle school. I posted this last night but Deal is tame compared to what I dealt with at the same age.

Also there is no evidence that I am aware of that the school is not dealing with all of the incidents - aside from some allegations on this thread I've never heard that and we know one of the parties involved in an oft discussed incident and it was definitely dealt with though of course there are apparently other incidents and maybe some of those were not but our anecdotal experience is that the school is aggressively dealing with these issues.

Yes I have a child in DC in school.

The poster made incorrect and baseless assumptions about pearl clutching parents with chips on their shoulder whose kids did not get into private school.
They said this is normal - translate how you want but normal to most people implies expected, not of consequences. It sure is not serious or major, i.e minor.
Teacher turnover is high, and a teacher posted on here that administration is not supporting them in dealing with behavior problems.

When I say transparent consequences, I’m not talking about parents. I’m saying lay out consequences for behavior x, y, z to all staff and parents in a manual and these consequences are transparent to the staff and any teacher involved in the incident.

But carry on with eyes close and it’s all normal.

You are making a huge mistake in assuming that all of the posts on here are accurate or even from Deal parents.

There are many posts on here that echo the mostly positive (though still imperfect) experience we and other Deal parents we've spoken to have had. And there are some posts on here that to me sound like they are not even from current Deal parents and possibly not even from DCPS parents.

But whatever try to be snarky by stating that people are carrying on with their eyes closed as if you've got it all figure out from what you read on DCUM - I'm sure that makes you feel better about all the money you are spending on your kids private school in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how many people whose kids with witnessing illegal or violent behavior are withdrawing your students.

I’m not. Most everything discussed, excluding the girl pushing the boy down the stairs—only because we didn’t have any, happened at my middle school. Pretty normal, IMHO. I think DC has a large number of pearl-clutching parents who want their kids to have some small town middle school experience. They just can’t deal with the reality that their children are attending a large urban middle school so they lash out at minorities, OOB, and poor kids. They have a chip on their shoulder that they can’t afford Sidwell or St. Albans/NCS.

Uh, no. And I’m not a Deal parent or at a feeder school so have no skin in the game. Sounds like major problems. Parents like you who don’t acknowledge it is bad for the school. Instead, parents should acknowledge it’s a problem, advocate that administration take action to address it, and have transparent consequences for these kids and follow thru.

The attitude that it’s nothing will just make the problem worst. Kids that get away with this will continue to do so and influence other kids. Worst of all, it’s distracting and disruptive to all the kids who want to learn.

Are you even a DCPS parent? Somehow I bet you are not.

You cannot have transparent consequences when there are minors involved.

No one said these incidents are minor or that anyone should get away with anything - please cut and paste where someone said that - but what I and others have said is that these incidents are not that unusual for a large and diverse middle school. I posted this last night but Deal is tame compared to what I dealt with at the same age.

Also there is no evidence that I am aware of that the school is not dealing with all of the incidents - aside from some allegations on this thread I've never heard that and we know one of the parties involved in an oft discussed incident and it was definitely dealt with though of course there are apparently other incidents and maybe some of those were not but our anecdotal experience is that the school is aggressively dealing with these issues.

Yes I have a child in DC in school.

The poster made incorrect and baseless assumptions about pearl clutching parents with chips on their shoulder whose kids did not get into private school.
They said this is normal - translate how you want but normal to most people implies expected, not of consequences. It sure is not serious or major, i.e minor.
Teacher turnover is high, and a teacher posted on here that administration is not supporting them in dealing with behavior problems.

When I say transparent consequences, I’m not talking about parents. I’m saying lay out consequences for behavior x, y, z to all staff and parents in a manual and these consequences are transparent to the staff and any teacher involved in the incident.

But carry on with eyes close and it’s all normal.

You are making a huge mistake in assuming that all of the posts on here are accurate or even from Deal parents.

There are many posts on here that echo the mostly positive (though still imperfect) experience we and other Deal parents we've spoken to have had. And there are some posts on here that to me sound like they are not even from current Deal parents and possibly not even from DCPS parents.

But whatever try to be snarky by stating that people are carrying on with their eyes closed as if you've got it all figure out from what you read on DCUM - I'm sure that makes you feel better about all the money you are spending on your kids private school in DC.

So you obviously know all the fake posts and trolls? They also happen to be the negative ones you say?
Just like you know my child is in private school.
You are wrong on both counts.
Want to do a 3rd strike out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So how many people whose kids with witnessing illegal or violent behavior are withdrawing your students.

I’m not. Most everything discussed, excluding the girl pushing the boy down the stairs—only because we didn’t have any, happened at my middle school. Pretty normal, IMHO. I think DC has a large number of pearl-clutching parents who want their kids to have some small town middle school experience. They just can’t deal with the reality that their children are attending a large urban middle school so they lash out at minorities, OOB, and poor kids. They have a chip on their shoulder that they can’t afford Sidwell or St. Albans/NCS.

Uh, no. And I’m not a Deal parent or at a feeder school so have no skin in the game. Sounds like major problems. Parents like you who don’t acknowledge it is bad for the school. Instead, parents should acknowledge it’s a problem, advocate that administration take action to address it, and have transparent consequences for these kids and follow thru.

The attitude that it’s nothing will just make the problem worst. Kids that get away with this will continue to do so and influence other kids. Worst of all, it’s distracting and disruptive to all the kids who want to learn.

Are you even a DCPS parent? Somehow I bet you are not.

You cannot have transparent consequences when there are minors involved.

No one said these incidents are minor or that anyone should get away with anything - please cut and paste where someone said that - but what I and others have said is that these incidents are not that unusual for a large and diverse middle school. I posted this last night but Deal is tame compared to what I dealt with at the same age.

Also there is no evidence that I am aware of that the school is not dealing with all of the incidents - aside from some allegations on this thread I've never heard that and we know one of the parties involved in an oft discussed incident and it was definitely dealt with though of course there are apparently other incidents and maybe some of those were not but our anecdotal experience is that the school is aggressively dealing with these issues.

Yes I have a child in DC in school.

The poster made incorrect and baseless assumptions about pearl clutching parents with chips on their shoulder whose kids did not get into private school.
They said this is normal - translate how you want but normal to most people implies expected, not of consequences. It sure is not serious or major, i.e minor.
Teacher turnover is high, and a teacher posted on here that administration is not supporting them in dealing with behavior problems.

When I say transparent consequences, I’m not talking about parents. I’m saying lay out consequences for behavior x, y, z to all staff and parents in a manual and these consequences are transparent to the staff and any teacher involved in the incident.

But carry on with eyes close and it’s all normal.

You are making a huge mistake in assuming that all of the posts on here are accurate or even from Deal parents.

There are many posts on here that echo the mostly positive (though still imperfect) experience we and other Deal parents we've spoken to have had. And there are some posts on here that to me sound like they are not even from current Deal parents and possibly not even from DCPS parents.

But whatever try to be snarky by stating that people are carrying on with their eyes closed as if you've got it all figure out from what you read on DCUM - I'm sure that makes you feel better about all the money you are spending on your kids private school in DC.

So you obviously know all the fake posts and trolls? They also happen to be the negative ones you say?
Just like you know my child is in private school.
You are wrong on both counts.
Want to do a 3rd strike out?

Ah so you are a charter school parent - I assume that is not my third strike? Those are my favorites.

And whatever my problems guessing I'm still better at it than you are at reading comprehension. There are lots of posts on here from folks who have referenced known incidents at the school who have raised fair concerns about how things are going.

And there are lots of posts on the thread from people who don't seem to know what they are talking about and are trading in generalizations.

I've already read this thread - maybe you should go back and re-read it?

[Anonymous]

Didn’t another teacher get hit yesterday? And is there any truth to a kid setting someone else’s hair ON FIRE on purpose this week?

[Anonymous]

Yes-
A 7th grader lit a kids hair on fire this week. It’s an isolated incident between 2 kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes-
A 7th grader lit a kids hair on fire this week. It’s an isolated incident between 2 kids.

And I was concerned about cyber bullying

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, 10:54 how on Earth do you even know this stuff. As far as I can tell my 6th grader almost never leaves his little hallway. None if this is on his radar at all. It's like he goes to a totally different school from what you just described.

Are you sure it’s not on his radar? Have you asked him about the stair incident? If not, ask him tonight and report back. Or ask him even general questions about behavior. If he totally oblivious to all of this you have nothing to worry about because he’s not involved or affected in the least bit. If

The stair incident: he heard a kid fell down the stairs and there was blood on the floor, but they cleaned it up. No one he knows actually saw it or the blood, so he wasn't even sure it was true. As to hallways, he says the teachers yell at kids for having their hoodies up and threaten detention if you walk too slow. He says that is kind of scary to him. That's about it.

[Anonymous]

They do a good job segregating the 6th graders from the other grades. I have an 8th grader so all of her core classes are on the 3rd floor. I believe 7th is on the second floor and 6th is on the first, with Music, Art and language in the Reno wing I think (I missed the open house this year for the first time so did not walk to all her classes) and P.E. in the gym. The grades have lunch and recess separately.

I have been on the first floor (where the 6th graders and the administration are) midday many times to pick up or drop off my child and I have to say it is pretty quiet. I am sure it is crazy at dismissal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is tough being a teacher in DCPS. There is no student accountability. We are constantly told to excuse student behavior for a myriad of reasons but given no support for the fallout. There is a reason for the high teacher turnover rate in DCPS despite the high salaries and Deal is no exception.

What needs to be done? What should parents do?

Vote the Mayor out, or take your kid to a better school.

One way to ease Deal overcrowding and remove some of the worse bahaving students at Deal is to end OOB feeder rights after fifth grade.

Racist much? Two of the craziest stories I've heard about behavior at Deal were caused by kids who live within walking distance of the school.

It's interesting that you assume OOB kids aren't white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is tough being a teacher in DCPS. There is no student accountability. We are constantly told to excuse student behavior for a myriad of reasons but given no support for the fallout. There is a reason for the high teacher turnover rate in DCPS despite the high salaries and Deal is no exception.

What needs to be done? What should parents do?

Vote the Mayor out, or take your kid to a better school.

One way to ease Deal overcrowding and remove some of the worse bahaving students at Deal is to end OOB feeder rights after fifth grade.

Racist much? Two of the craziest stories I've heard about behavior at Deal were caused by kids who live within walking distance of the school.

Sounds to me YOU are racist much?

PP above said nothing about race. S/he just shared an idea, based on either accurate or inaccurate data -- can you enlighten usbwith data?

So the earlier poster was alleging that the misbehaving kids at Deal are upper middle class white kids from Capital Hill & Brookland? How would the earlier poster make assumptions about what kids are OOB or does she have some magic power to determine where everyone lives?

Sorry but the earlier poster was making assumptions that the rowdy kids are AA and are OOB and the group that should be removed. I have no idea if either of those things are true but do know a couple of the craziest things that have happened at the school were caused by kids who walk to school.

And I'm pretty confident the earlier poster would be happy with a whiter Deal which he/she assumes would mean a better behaving student body.

No, no one said the misbehaving kids are OOB. They likely aren't. The point is that 1400 11-14 year olds in a building not meant to hold that many kids is a contributing factor the behavior problems and the difficulty in controlling the behavior. It is the one and only reason the hallways are chaotic and difficult to navigate and why the stairwells are flat out dangerously crowded. Address the crowding and a lot of this goes away.