FCPS potential changes to AAP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does race matter, if you study hard and try you get in.

You don’t understand the point of AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s get some more white kids in the level 4

The issue is not getting more white kids into AAP.

It is to get more black kids into AAP. No one cares about the illegal Hispanics.

I just don’t get why these American born kids can’t just study harder. There is so much opportunity for them.

Their parents may work two jobs or not able to help them study. This is a small attempt to combat structural racism. Furthermore, your kid might actually benefit and become a better (smarter even) person by being in a diverse setting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s get some more white kids in the level 4

The issue is not getting more white kids into AAP.

It is to get more black kids into AAP. No one cares about the illegal Hispanics.

I just don’t get why these American born kids can’t just study harder. There is so much opportunity for them.

Their parents may work two jobs or not able to help them study. This is a small attempt to combat structural racism. Furthermore, your kid might actually benefit and become a better (smarter even) person by being in a diverse setting.

I think the pp doesn't understand how the structure of the AAP admissions process affects finding URMs eligible. Most URM families have no clue there are test prep books and centers. They also are told by the schools that all the kids need is a good night's sleep. Most Asian families are very aware of the prep books and centers, and come from cultures where studying is expected and, to be honest, think that the "all you need is sleep" is lazy American advice. That alone will skew the results of who is found eligible. Wealthy white families, while aren't as prone to do the prep centers, also use the test prep books and/or are very aware of appealing with WISC scores. The WISC score can be manipulated by psychologists and can be prepped for, contrary to what many on this forum thinks. This also skews who is admitted. Anywau, maybe FCPS should just announce the prep materials starting in K and even have copies for check out in the library. They should also be very vocal about the availability of reduce or free WISC through GMU, and how those results can be used for appeal. I know five nonURM kids who got into AAP with all scores in the mid to low 120s. I know many others who were parent referred and been found eligible, but I wasn't close enough with the parents to know their scores, but close enough to know they were parent referred. This is an imprecise process. Anyone pretending it's an objective who is smart and who isn't is fooling themself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Their parents may work two jobs or not able to help them study. This is a small attempt to combat structural racism. Furthermore, your kid might actually benefit and become a better (smarter even) person by being in a diverse setting.

I think the pp doesn't understand how the structure of the AAP admissions process affects finding URMs eligible. Most URM families have no clue there are test prep books and centers. They also are told by the schools that all the kids need is a good night's sleep. Most Asian families are very aware of the prep books and centers, and come from cultures where studying is expected and, to be honest, think that the "all you need is sleep" is lazy American advice. That alone will skew the results of who is found eligible. Wealthy white families, while aren't as prone to do the prep centers, also use the test prep books and/or are very aware of appealing with WISC scores. The WISC score can be manipulated by psychologists and can be prepped for, contrary to what many on this forum thinks. This also skews who is admitted. Anywau, maybe FCPS should just announce the prep materials starting in K and even have copies for check out in the library. They should also be very vocal about the availability of reduce or free WISC through GMU, and how those results can be used for appeal. I know five nonURM kids who got into AAP with all scores in the mid to low 120s. I know many others who were parent referred and been found eligible, but I wasn't close enough with the parents to know their scores, but close enough to know they were parent referred. This is an imprecise process. Anyone pretending it's an objective who is smart and who isn't is fooling themself.

+1 I think a lot of people also don't realize that kids who are read to regularly, play games with parents, and have a very enriching home life will score better on the tests as well as the GBRS than a kid with equal native intelligence who did not have an enriched homelife. I doubt that anyone has developed a test that isn't highly biased by affluence and home environment. Maybe they should not only make prep materials available, but rather they should actively prep during the Young Scholars pull outs. At least that would level the playing field between bright, disadvantaged kids who are otherwise unlikely to prep vs. all of the asians and white people who are prepping their equally (or less) bright kids into AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s get some more white kids in the level 4

The issue is not getting more white kids into AAP.

It is to get more black kids into AAP. No one cares about the illegal Hispanics.

I just don’t get why these American born kids can’t just study harder. There is so much opportunity for them.

I think it is because most American born kids are raised in enviroments that work to balance school and other activities. My son does well in school but we have him enriolled in one sport each season, swim lessons on the weekends, and Cub Scouts. He is above grade level in all his academics, its first grade so not that hard or exciting, so there is no reason for him to be going to tutoring. I prefer him engaged n activities that help him develop his body, his mind (sports require concentration, strategy, and thinking), and help him socialize. You can’t get that at a prep center or a math tutor.

The US us unique in how our sports feed from recrational to high school to college to professional. Most countries do not have the developed Collegiate sports system that we do in the US. The idea of playing sports past rec level is unusual. So there is less emphasis on sports. If a child is seen as being particularly gifted in a sport they ar emoved into a more seni-pro training system.

In other countries, academic success is seen as the best way to advance and there is a ton of pressure put on kids to succeed. In many of the Asian countries, there is pressure to be accepted into the top tier high schools and.universities. It makes the emphasis on the Ivy League schools in the US look like nothing. So academics are stressed far earlier and kids end up in tutoring and prep centers at an earlier age.

When people come to the US from these cultures, they bring those practices with them. So Asian families are more likely to send their kids to tutoring and test prep.

So my kid doesn’t need to study harder. He is above grade level, he scored a 135 on the NNAT, and he is doing just fine in first grade. If he is sturggling with something, we work on it at home. we read to him every night. He lvoes playing board games with us. He is building marble runs on his own (wood block ones). He likes to play math games. we do all that with him. it helps him learn, strengthen his math skills and think creativly. Will he goto TJ? Maybe. He is in first grade so I am not stressing about it. I am thinking about his math and what to do if he is accepted into AAP next year. Do we keep him in language immersion or move him to the center? I know that I need to worry about junior high math classes eventually but I’ll cross that bridge next year if we have to cross that bridge.

I am not going to take him out of his sports for tutoring to make sure that happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s get some more white kids in the level 4

The issue is not getting more white kids into AAP.

It is to get more black kids into AAP. No one cares about the illegal Hispanics.

I just don’t get why these American born kids can’t just study harder. There is so much opportunity for them.

I think it is because most American born kids are raised in enviroments that work to balance school and other activities. My son does well in school but we have him enriolled in one sport each season, swim lessons on the weekends, and Cub Scouts. He is above grade level in all his academics, its first grade so not that hard or exciting, so there is no reason for him to be going to tutoring. I prefer him engaged n activities that help him develop his body, his mind (sports require concentration, strategy, and thinking), and help him socialize. You can’t get that at a prep center or a math tutor.

The US us unique in how our sports feed from recrational to high school to college to professional. Most countries do not have the developed Collegiate sports system that we do in the US. The idea of playing sports past rec level is unusual. So there is less emphasis on sports. If a child is seen as being particularly gifted in a sport they ar emoved into a more seni-pro training system.

In other countries, academic success is seen as the best way to advance and there is a ton of pressure put on kids to succeed. In many of the Asian countries, there is pressure to be accepted into the top tier high schools and.universities. It makes the emphasis on the Ivy League schools in the US look like nothing. So academics are stressed far earlier and kids end up in tutoring and prep centers at an earlier age.

When people come to the US from these cultures, they bring those practices with them. So Asian families are more likely to send their kids to tutoring and test prep.

So my kid doesn’t need to study harder. He is above grade level, he scored a 135 on the NNAT, and he is doing just fine in first grade. If he is sturggling with something, we work on it at home. we read to him every night. He lvoes playing board games with us. He is building marble runs on his own (wood block ones). He likes to play math games. we do all that with him. it helps him learn, strengthen his math skills and think creativly. Will he goto TJ? Maybe. He is in first grade so I am not stressing about it. I am thinking about his math and what to do if he is accepted into AAP next year. Do we keep him in language immersion or move him to the center? I know that I need to worry about junior high math classes eventually but I’ll cross that bridge next year if we have to cross that bridge.

I am not going to take him out of his sports for tutoring to make sure that happens.

I don’t really care to understand the point you are trying to make. But I read your response and you are totally full of it. Next year, if your ds only scored a 120 on the cogat and was rejected from AAP you would be appealing so hard...admit it. You would have the WISC already completed, and you’d probably have had prepped him with “games” before hand. You do not sound chill. You sound like every UMC white famiky I know in FCPS. Yes, Asians do it differently. But same result.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s get some more white kids in the level 4

The issue is not getting more white kids into AAP.

It is to get more black kids into AAP. No one cares about the illegal Hispanics.

I just don’t get why these American born kids can’t just study harder. There is so much opportunity for them.

I think it is because most American born kids are raised in enviroments that work to balance school and other activities. My son does well in school but we have him enriolled in one sport each season, swim lessons on the weekends, and Cub Scouts. He is above grade level in all his academics, its first grade so not that hard or exciting, so there is no reason for him to be going to tutoring. I prefer him engaged n activities that help him develop his body, his mind (sports require concentration, strategy, and thinking), and help him socialize. You can’t get that at a prep center or a math tutor.

The US us unique in how our sports feed from recrational to high school to college to professional. Most countries do not have the developed Collegiate sports system that we do in the US. The idea of playing sports past rec level is unusual. So there is less emphasis on sports. If a child is seen as being particularly gifted in a sport they ar emoved into a more seni-pro training system.

In other countries, academic success is seen as the best way to advance and there is a ton of pressure put on kids to succeed. In many of the Asian countries, there is pressure to be accepted into the top tier high schools and.universities. It makes the emphasis on the Ivy League schools in the US look like nothing. So academics are stressed far earlier and kids end up in tutoring and prep centers at an earlier age.

When people come to the US from these cultures, they bring those practices with them. So Asian families are more likely to send their kids to tutoring and test prep.

So my kid doesn’t need to study harder. He is above grade level, he scored a 135 on the NNAT, and he is doing just fine in first grade. If he is sturggling with something, we work on it at home. we read to him every night. He lvoes playing board games with us. He is building marble runs on his own (wood block ones). He likes to play math games. we do all that with him. it helps him learn, strengthen his math skills and think creativly. Will he goto TJ? Maybe. He is in first grade so I am not stressing about it. I am thinking about his math and what to do if he is accepted into AAP next year. Do we keep him in language immersion or move him to the center? I know that I need to worry about junior high math classes eventually but I’ll cross that bridge next year if we have to cross that bridge.

I am not going to take him out of his sports for tutoring to make sure that happens.

Haha... you are not Asian how do you what Asian do? We are Asian no prep center, no tutor, my kids play musical instruments, sports and scouts. And they are the first one go outside to play everyday in my neighborhood. They got all 4s and they are in AAP. I don’t even bother to do anything with them, sometimes I will play board games with them but they do read a lot and much much more than other kids. I only did was I read to them before k after that they read alone. Not every Asian does what you think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s get some more white kids in the level 4

The issue is not getting more white kids into AAP.

It is to get more black kids into AAP. No one cares about the illegal Hispanics.

I just don’t get why these American born kids can’t just study harder. There is so much opportunity for them.

I think it is because most American born kids are raised in enviroments that work to balance school and other activities. My son does well in school but we have him enriolled in one sport each season, swim lessons on the weekends, and Cub Scouts. He is above grade level in all his academics, its first grade so not that hard or exciting, so there is no reason for him to be going to tutoring. I prefer him engaged n activities that help him develop his body, his mind (sports require concentration, strategy, and thinking), and help him socialize. You can’t get that at a prep center or a math tutor.

The US us unique in how our sports feed from recrational to high school to college to professional. Most countries do not have the developed Collegiate sports system that we do in the US. The idea of playing sports past rec level is unusual. So there is less emphasis on sports. If a child is seen as being particularly gifted in a sport they ar emoved into a more seni-pro training system.

In other countries, academic success is seen as the best way to advance and there is a ton of pressure put on kids to succeed. In many of the Asian countries, there is pressure to be accepted into the top tier high schools and.universities. It makes the emphasis on the Ivy League schools in the US look like nothing. So academics are stressed far earlier and kids end up in tutoring and prep centers at an earlier age.

When people come to the US from these cultures, they bring those practices with them. So Asian families are more likely to send their kids to tutoring and test prep.

So my kid doesn’t need to study harder. He is above grade level, he scored a 135 on the NNAT, and he is doing just fine in first grade. If he is sturggling with something, we work on it at home. we read to him every night. He lvoes playing board games with us. He is building marble runs on his own (wood block ones). He likes to play math games. we do all that with him. it helps him learn, strengthen his math skills and think creativly. Will he goto TJ? Maybe. He is in first grade so I am not stressing about it. I am thinking about his math and what to do if he is accepted into AAP next year. Do we keep him in language immersion or move him to the center? I know that I need to worry about junior high math classes eventually but I’ll cross that bridge next year if we have to cross that bridge.

I am not going to take him out of his sports for tutoring to make sure that happens.

I don’t really care to understand the point you are trying to make. But I read your response and you are totally full of it. Next year, if your ds only scored a 120 on the cogat and was rejected from AAP you would be appealing so hard...admit it. You would have the WISC already completed, and you’d probably have had prepped him with “games” before hand. You do not sound chill. You sound like every UMC white famiky I know in FCPS. Yes, Asians do it differently. But same result.

+1,000. And this parent will be the first to complain about homework in the AAP program bc it interferes with her poopsie’s sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s get some more white kids in the level 4

The issue is not getting more white kids into AAP.

It is to get more black kids into AAP. No one cares about the illegal Hispanics.

I just don’t get why these American born kids can’t just study harder. There is so much opportunity for them.

I think it is because most American born kids are raised in enviroments that work to balance school and other activities. My son does well in school but we have him enriolled in one sport each season, swim lessons on the weekends, and Cub Scouts. He is above grade level in all his academics, its first grade so not that hard or exciting, so there is no reason for him to be going to tutoring. I prefer him engaged n activities that help him develop his body, his mind (sports require concentration, strategy, and thinking), and help him socialize. You can’t get that at a prep center or a math tutor.

The US us unique in how our sports feed from recrational to high school to college to professional. Most countries do not have the developed Collegiate sports system that we do in the US. The idea of playing sports past rec level is unusual. So there is less emphasis on sports. If a child is seen as being particularly gifted in a sport they ar emoved into a more seni-pro training system.

In other countries, academic success is seen as the best way to advance and there is a ton of pressure put on kids to succeed. In many of the Asian countries, there is pressure to be accepted into the top tier high schools and.universities. It makes the emphasis on the Ivy League schools in the US look like nothing. So academics are stressed far earlier and kids end up in tutoring and prep centers at an earlier age.

When people come to the US from these cultures, they bring those practices with them. So Asian families are more likely to send their kids to tutoring and test prep.

So my kid doesn’t need to study harder. He is above grade level, he scored a 135 on the NNAT, and he is doing just fine in first grade. If he is sturggling with something, we work on it at home. we read to him every night. He lvoes playing board games with us. He is building marble runs on his own (wood block ones). He likes to play math games. we do all that with him. it helps him learn, strengthen his math skills and think creativly. Will he goto TJ? Maybe. He is in first grade so I am not stressing about it. I am thinking about his math and what to do if he is accepted into AAP next year. Do we keep him in language immersion or move him to the center? I know that I need to worry about junior high math classes eventually but I’ll cross that bridge next year if we have to cross that bridge.

I am not going to take him out of his sports for tutoring to make sure that happens.

Asian American parent here. My kids were born here. They play sports and scouts. No test center prep or tutoring. They are in aap.

I came to the US when I was 3. Also no prep or tutoring. I studied hard because I wanted to achieve.

Academics do come first in our house. Sports second. My kids seem naturally gifted in math. They truly love it and excel. Sports not so much. They play soccer, tennis, golf, ski and swim team. Also play piano and violin. They both go to a few birthday parties per month and each have a few play dates per week as well.

Your stereotype of Asians and aap seems way off. Many kids of elementary aged kids are second generation. We grew up here and also American. I never experienced these tutoring centers in Asia but I know they exist. I’m so glad my kids can enjoy their childhood.

[Anonymous]

Yes Asians kick ass , other minorities need to do the same on their own or they can continue to finish last. It's waht you do for yourself not a handout

[Anonymous]

It's funny.

We know scientifically that the quality of a child's early home environment and mother's education have a great impact on how a child does in school. And yet, we think the schools can somehow magically erase the effects of those early inputs just by deciding that 25% of all groups should be in AAP.

Maybe instead of just deeming 25% of each racial group AAP-qualified in 3rd grade, the powers that be should be working to improve those early inputs so that kids are actually capable of passing the screening tests by 2nd grade and doing the AAP level work by 3rd grade.

Are the kids who aren't qualifying in sufficient numbers now actually AAP-capable (and missed by the tests)? Or is the test not catching them b/c they aren't AAP-ready (i.e. a plan to water down AAP to meet those kids where they are and claim success)?

It's the difference b/t raising kids up so that they will qualify and succeed in AAP as it is today vs. reducing what AAP is so that more minorities can participate.

I'd hope it is the former. But, I wonder if it is really the latter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s get some more white kids in the level 4

The issue is not getting more white kids into AAP.

It is to get more black kids into AAP. No one cares about the illegal Hispanics.

I just don’t get why these American born kids can’t just study harder. There is so much opportunity for them.

Their parents may work two jobs or not able to help them study. This is a small attempt to combat structural racism. Furthermore, your kid might actually benefit and become a better (smarter even) person by being in a diverse setting.

I think the pp doesn't understand how the structure of the AAP admissions process affects finding URMs eligible. Most URM families have no clue there are test prep books and centers. They also are told by the schools that all the kids need is a good night's sleep. Most Asian families are very aware of the prep books and centers, and come from cultures where studying is expected and, to be honest, think that the "all you need is sleep" is lazy American advice. That alone will skew the results of who is found eligible. Wealthy white families, while aren't as prone to do the prep centers, also use the test prep books and/or are very aware of appealing with WISC scores. The WISC score can be manipulated by psychologists and can be prepped for, contrary to what many on this forum thinks. This also skews who is admitted. Anywau, maybe FCPS should just announce the prep materials starting in K and even have copies for check out in the library. They should also be very vocal about the availability of reduce or free WISC through GMU, and how those results can be used for appeal. I know five nonURM kids who got into AAP with all scores in the mid to low 120s. I know many others who were parent referred and been found eligible, but I wasn't close enough with the parents to know their scores, but close enough to know they were parent referred. This is an imprecise process. Anyone pretending it's an objective who is smart and who isn't is fooling themself.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Asian American parent here. My kids were born here. They play sports and scouts. No test center prep or tutoring. They are in aap.

I came to the US when I was 3. Also no prep or tutoring. I studied hard because I wanted to achieve.

Academics do come first in our house. Sports second. My kids seem naturally gifted in math. They truly love it and excel. Sports not so much. They play soccer, tennis, golf, ski and swim team. Also play piano and violin. They both go to a few birthday parties per month and each have a few play dates per week as well.

Your stereotype of Asians and aap seems way off. Many kids of elementary aged kids are second generation. We grew up here and also American. I never experienced these tutoring centers in Asia but I know they exist. I’m so glad my kids can enjoy their childhood.

I’m white and born in the US, as are my kids. Academics come first in our house, with sports second. So there’s another stereotype buster.

[Anonymous]

Stop punishing those that are successful. This is America not North Korea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's funny.

We know scientifically that the quality of a child's early home environment and mother's education have a great impact on how a child does in school. And yet, we think the schools can somehow magically erase the effects of those early inputs just by deciding that 25% of all groups should be in AAP.

Maybe instead of just deeming 25% of each racial group AAP-qualified in 3rd grade, the powers that be should be working to improve those early inputs so that kids are actually capable of passing the screening tests by 2nd grade and doing the AAP level work by 3rd grade.

Are the kids who aren't qualifying in sufficient numbers now actually AAP-capable (and missed by the tests)? Or is the test not catching them b/c they aren't AAP-ready (i.e. a plan to water down AAP to meet those kids where they are and claim success)?

It's the difference b/t raising kids up so that they will qualify and succeed in AAP as it is today vs. reducing what AAP is so that more minorities can participate.

I'd hope it is the former. But, I wonder if it is really the latter.

Ding ding this is all social engineering by white guilt liberals and throwing it on the schools is ridiculous

If the powers that be really wanted to change things they would change boundary lines and zoning and start community schools in the poorer sections of Fairfax County

Heck if people really cared they would move out of the richer parts of the county to the poorer parts or better yet they would voluntarily give up their spot in AAP for an URM. Of course no one does that, as all prior posters have said everyone moves heaven and earth to ensure their precious offspring gets into AAP hypocrites.