This woman seated between two obese people is awful but so are they for not buying the extra seat.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to stop all this petty infighting and force airlines to step up.


I fly often and don't have an issue. Hell I flew with a lap infant in a middle seat last week and never crossed the line. I did think that the person next to me should have given me the arm rest since I had a lap infant and was in the middle, but he didn't and I survived.

We need seats reserved for the obese. If you're over 225, you're required to reserve and pay for those (or first class).


Lap infants should not be allowed at all due to the safety issues.


They need to nurse on takeoff and landing so their ears don't hurt. Otherwise they'd scream.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I've posted on this topic several times before about my coworker. We travel a lot for work. She's a bigger person (definitely in the obese category). Our company pays for our tickets, of course, and she will pay out of pocket for a second seat to have a buffer zone. The only time she doesn't do this is if we're in a two seat row and I'm in the seat next to her (upon my insistence as I don't mind some spillage; I grew up with an overweight sibling and parent so I'm used to it).

We flew 8 times in December alone and out of those eight times, she bought a second buffer seat 5 times. Out of those 5 extra seats that were purchased, do you know how many times that buffer seat wasn't taken from her? One. ONE time the airline did not tell her that the seat was needed due to an overbooked flight. And guess what? She doesn't get to say no when they ask to take the seat. The first time it happened she did say no and the flight attendant told her if she persisted in being a "problem" then she would have to notify the captain and she would be deplaned. The airlines have all the power.

There have been times when her buffer seat has been taken and given to another passenger and that person has complained about my coworker. I always speak up and let them know that the only reason they're on the flight is because the extra seat she paid for was taken from her and given to that person. That usually shuts them up pretty quickly.

Does my coworker get money back for the seat she purchased? Yes. Does she often get more than what she paid for the seat? Yes, sometimes, but I can guarantee you that she'd rather have the buffer seat than the money. You know, since she purchased it to begin with and all that.


This happens to my dad a lot of the time as well. He's a big guy (6'5" and probably 275 if not 300lbs, honestly) and will buy the seat next to him, usually even if travelling with my mom or another family member just so he can be more comfortable. It allows him to turn his body just a bit to give him a smidge more legroom. As above, most times a flight attendant will come to him and say something like, "sir, due to the overbooked status of this flight, we need to give this empty seat to another passenger. The airline will reimburse you the cost of the ticket plus $xxx." He has, however, been able to refuse a few times. It really depends on the airline and/or the flight attendant. Some will get an attitude and say things like "I really don't understand why you are being this difficult, sir" which seems to be the magic word. It's like if they say "being difficult" outloud, it gives them more leverage to kick you off. Kind of like how a cop just has to say they smell weed and they have the right to search your car. I remember one instance about 8 years ago because I was around 18, traveling with my dad, and still in my 'my parents are so mortifying' stage. He was asked to give up the empty middle seat (this was a 4 seat row - him in aisle, empty, me, lady beside me on other aisle). He refused because he gave up the empty seat on the flight to our destination and his legs cramped so badly that they were sore for the first few days of our vacation. The flight attendant tried again and offered more points or vouchers or something and again, he refused. She called over another flight attendant (male) to try and he even started dropping the "sir, we may have to ask you to exit this flight and take a later flight if you keep being difficult" and my dad finally said, "look, I'm not giving it up. I bought, it's mine. Either drop it and let's get on with this flight or take me off this one and guarantee me that I'll get an empty seat on my next flight." I was sinking lower and lower in my seat out of embarrassment. They left, there was some back and forth talk, some radio talk, and then some supervisor boarded and told my dad that he could guarantee an upgrade and empty seat if he would exit the plane and go later. I don't know if they knew my seat was attached to his or not, but I know he kept negotiating and got a crapload of miles and money from them for us both getting off and taking a flight 6 hours later. It was the first and only time I've ever flown first class. Airlines sucks. People suck. Take the train! That's my motto.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've posted on this topic several times before about my coworker. We travel a lot for work. She's a bigger person (definitely in the obese category). Our company pays for our tickets, of course, and she will pay out of pocket for a second seat to have a buffer zone. The only time she doesn't do this is if we're in a two seat row and I'm in the seat next to her (upon my insistence as I don't mind some spillage; I grew up with an overweight sibling and parent so I'm used to it).

We flew 8 times in December alone and out of those eight times, she bought a second buffer seat 5 times. Out of those 5 extra seats that were purchased, do you know how many times that buffer seat wasn't taken from her? One. ONE time the airline did not tell her that the seat was needed due to an overbooked flight. And guess what? She doesn't get to say no when they ask to take the seat. The first time it happened she did say no and the flight attendant told her if she persisted in being a "problem" then she would have to notify the captain and she would be deplaned. The airlines have all the power.

There have been times when her buffer seat has been taken and given to another passenger and that person has complained about my coworker. I always speak up and let them know that the only reason they're on the flight is because the extra seat she paid for was taken from her and given to that person. That usually shuts them up pretty quickly.

Does my coworker get money back for the seat she purchased? Yes. Does she often get more than what she paid for the seat? Yes, sometimes, but I can guarantee you that she'd rather have the buffer seat than the money. You know, since she purchased it to begin with and all that.


That's crazy and eye opening.

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kudos to you PP for supporting your coworker. please keep writing about this. I am a DCUM regular and haven’t seen this before.


Ageeed and I am not at all surprised at the airlines attirude. Every flight I’ve been on has been at full capacity in the last year and if was Delta - overbooked. The airlines are making the seats smaller, the passengers more uncomfortable and lining their pockets.
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Anonymous wrote:I would have been more polite about it, but I also would have been as firm as possible that I needed to be moved. GO get a flight attendant, and say, "Look, I don't want to make a big deal about this, but the people on either side of me are infringing on my seat. I paid for a seat - a full seat - and I need to be moved." And take it from there, staying firm, but polite. I also would have resisted being rebooked - I am not the one who created this issue, and one of them needs to be rebooked if that's the only solution.



Good luck with that. You can be polite all day long but airline customer service STINKS. You’ll be the one getting rebooked.





Rightly so. She's the one with the problem. When has air travel ever been pleasant?


Sorry, no. When not one, but two people are spilling into my seat, I *have* the problem, but I am not the one who *created* the problem. The burden of the remedy should fall on the one who caused the situation. [/quote




The situation creators worked with the system and paid for the right to pick their seats. The middle seat sucks no matter who is in the aisle and window seat. You get what you pay for.


Yes, *their* seats, you dimwit. Not a portion of the seat next to them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've posted on this topic several times before about my coworker. We travel a lot for work. She's a bigger person (definitely in the obese category). Our company pays for our tickets, of course, and she will pay out of pocket for a second seat to have a buffer zone. The only time she doesn't do this is if we're in a two seat row and I'm in the seat next to her (upon my insistence as I don't mind some spillage; I grew up with an overweight sibling and parent so I'm used to it).

We flew 8 times in December alone and out of those eight times, she bought a second buffer seat 5 times. Out of those 5 extra seats that were purchased, do you know how many times that buffer seat wasn't taken from her? One. ONE time the airline did not tell her that the seat was needed due to an overbooked flight. And guess what? She doesn't get to say no when they ask to take the seat. The first time it happened she did say no and the flight attendant told her if she persisted in being a "problem" then she would have to notify the captain and she would be deplaned. The airlines have all the power.

There have been times when her buffer seat has been taken and given to another passenger and that person has complained about my coworker. I always speak up and let them know that the only reason they're on the flight is because the extra seat she paid for was taken from her and given to that person. That usually shuts them up pretty quickly.

Does my coworker get money back for the seat she purchased? Yes. Does she often get more than what she paid for the seat? Yes, sometimes, but I can guarantee you that she'd rather have the buffer seat than the money. You know, since she purchased it to begin with and all that.


That's crazy and eye opening.

+1
kudos to you PP for supporting your coworker. please keep writing about this. I am a DCUM regular and haven’t seen this before.


+1

Wow - that is nuts that they won't let her use the buffer seat.




Agree, thanks for sharing! Definitely adds a perspective I hadn’t thought of before.
We do need a passenger bill of rights. Seats need to be bigger. Im short so don’t have a problem but my husband is long and his legs are always crunched.
I will always blame the airlines for these problems. When tired grouchy people are smooshed together for hours nothing good will come of it.
Anonymous
Maybe they need seat options. Like some seats are wider, some have more leg room, some are just cheap. I personally wouldn't mind standing like Ryan Air proposed.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It wouldn't solve everything, but in this case, why not have the aisle partner move into the middle seat? Then the non-partnered middle person would at least only be dealing with being squished from one side.

I've been thinking the exact same thing.
Anonymous
The nurse was the one calling the squished woman "b*tch". Nothing that the squished woman said had to be bleeped out.

I don't think that any of these three people handled the situation well. They were all three incredibly rude. But the rudeness was premeditated on the part of the obese passengers. Why didn't one of them offer to sit in the middle seat to spare the woman from being squished from both sides? They knew darned well that no one would want to sit there and they knew it before they boarded that plane. They suck. And the rude lady sucked for not politely asking an attendant to help find her another seat.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We need to stop all this petty infighting and force airlines to step up.


I fly often and don't have an issue. Hell I flew with a lap infant in a middle seat last week and never crossed the line. I did think that the person next to me should have given me the arm rest since I had a lap infant and was in the middle, but he didn't and I survived.

We need seats reserved for the obese. If you're over 225, you're required to reserve and pay for those (or first class).


Lap infants should not be allowed at all due to the safety issues.


They need to nurse on takeoff and landing so their ears don't hurt. Otherwise they'd scream.


Bottles and pacifiers work just as well. And I'd rather a screaming infant than a projectile infant.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We need to stop all this petty infighting and force airlines to step up.


I fly often and don't have an issue. Hell I flew with a lap infant in a middle seat last week and never crossed the line. I did think that the person next to me should have given me the arm rest since I had a lap infant and was in the middle, but he didn't and I survived.

We need seats reserved for the obese. If you're over 225, you're required to reserve and pay for those (or first class).


Lap infants should not be allowed at all due to the safety issues.


They need to nurse on takeoff and landing so their ears don't hurt. Otherwise they'd scream.


A pacifier will also solve that problem.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would have been more polite about it, but I also would have been as firm as possible that I needed to be moved. GO get a flight attendant, and say, "Look, I don't want to make a big deal about this, but the people on either side of me are infringing on my seat. I paid for a seat - a full seat - and I need to be moved." And take it from there, staying firm, but polite. I also would have resisted being rebooked - I am not the one who created this issue, and one of them needs to be rebooked if that's the only solution.



Good luck with that. You can be polite all day long but airline customer service STINKS. You’ll be the one getting rebooked.





Rightly so. She's the one with the problem. When has air travel ever been pleasant?


Sorry, no. When not one, but two people are spilling into my seat, I *have* the problem, but I am not the one who *created* the problem. The burden of the remedy should fall on the one who caused the situation. [/quote




The situation creators worked with the system and paid for the right to pick their seats. The middle seat sucks no matter who is in the aisle and window seat. You get what you pay for.


Yes, *their* seats, you dimwit. Not a portion of the seat next to them.







I'm more of s smart ass than a dimwit, you dunderhead!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Maybe they need seat options. Like some seats are wider, some have more leg room, some are just cheap. I personally wouldn't mind standing like Ryan Air proposed.


I’m normal sized (5’7”, normal BMI) and would consider buying a bigger/wider seat if they were offered. I feel squished I can imagine how much worse it is for others.
Anonymous
I can’t believe nobody has mentioned this, but most airlines, including United, actually have an obesity policy that states that if you are of a certain size, you should book an extra seat. If you don’t, you will be charged for the seat or have to rebook if one isn’t available. United’s specifically says that “the additional seat must be available without down grading or unseating another customer.” If you ever get into a situation like this, Google it and insist that the airline on her it’s
Anonymous
Honor its policy
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe they need seat options. Like some seats are wider, some have more leg room, some are just cheap. I personally wouldn't mind standing like Ryan Air proposed.


I’m normal sized (5’7”, normal BMI) and would consider buying a bigger/wider seat if they were offered. I feel squished I can imagine how much worse it is for others.


Same - average weight guy but 6ft tall. I would pay 20% more for a wider seat because the seats on planes are just ridiculously tight
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