New thread -- actual MS magnet results

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very confused after reading all these messages. My son was recommended for Takoma Park and while he always scores 99% in MAP and gets straight A's, his cogat MCPS percentiles weren't as impressive (70's and 80's). We are Causasian in a W-feeder. Not sure why he was selected, to be honest, after seeing the scores for the kids who were not recommended.

Maybe he didn't have a cohort in the "lower" range. The info session specifically said that they'd take lower band scores and leave behind higher bands if the cohort numbers said so.

That makes zero sense since the magnet program is way more challenging than having 1 or 2 "enriched" classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very confused after reading all these messages. My son was recommended for Takoma Park and while he always scores 99% in MAP and gets straight A's, his cogat MCPS percentiles weren't as impressive (70's and 80's). We are Causasian in a W-feeder. Not sure why he was selected, to be honest, after seeing the scores for the kids who were not recommended.

Maybe he didn't have a cohort in the "lower" range. The info session specifically said that they'd take lower band scores and leave behind higher bands if the cohort numbers said so.

That makes zero sense since the magnet program is way more challenging than having 1 or 2 "enriched" classes.

Tell that to MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:National scores were (V/Q/N) 97/99/99, but MCPS were 83/94/99. Not recommended for either program. MAP scores have all been 99th percentile since 1st grade. Currently Pine Crest/Oak View CES, compacted math, DCC middle school catchment. Not at all happy with local MS, will consider moving this summer if lottery/appeal doesn't work. Private school not affordable.

PP, I'm with you. We can't afford private, and my kid is zoned for a non-stellar MS. She's 99%ile for math, national AND MCPS. But, not even Wait Listed for Takoma.

Also, currently in a CES and MAP scores have also been 99th percentile since 1st grade, and she sails through compacted math. We've never done any math enrichment, but I might look into it for her now.

I can understand a rejection to Eastern, but it makes no sense that my kid wouldn't get into TPMS. I know my kid will be fine, but WTF? Verbal and Q were also 99 National, but 87/92 for MCPS. I guess maybe there are just kids with 99/99/99 for MCPS, and those are the ones who get in? Who knows how MCPS decides. I'm interested in hearing from her today which kids from the CES got in! I know they'll be discussing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very confused after reading all these messages. My son was recommended for Takoma Park and while he always scores 99% in MAP and gets straight A's, his cogat MCPS percentiles weren't as impressive (70's and 80's). We are Causasian in a W-feeder. Not sure why he was selected, to be honest, after seeing the scores for the kids who were not recommended.

Maybe he didn't have a cohort in the "lower" range. The info session specifically said that they'd take lower band scores and leave behind higher bands if the cohort numbers said so.

That makes zero sense since the magnet program is way more challenging than having 1 or 2 "enriched" classes.

Tell that to MCPS.

Don't you think people have tried?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:National scores were (V/Q/N) 97/99/99, but MCPS were 83/94/99. Not recommended for either program. MAP scores have all been 99th percentile since 1st grade. Currently Pine Crest/Oak View CES, compacted math, DCC middle school catchment. Not at all happy with local MS, will consider moving this summer if lottery/appeal doesn't work. Private school not affordable.

PP, I'm with you. We can't afford private, and my kid is zoned for a non-stellar MS. She's 99%ile for math, national AND MCPS. But, not even Wait Listed for Takoma.

Also, currently in a CES and MAP scores have also been 99th percentile since 1st grade, and she sails through compacted math. We've never done any math enrichment, but I might look into it for her now.

I can understand a rejection to Eastern, but it makes no sense that my kid wouldn't get into TPMS. I know my kid will be fine, but WTF? Verbal and Q were also 99 National, but 87/92 for MCPS. I guess maybe there are just kids with 99/99/99 for MCPS, and those are the ones who get in? Who knows how MCPS decides. I'm interested in hearing from her today which kids from the CES got in! I know they'll be discussing it.

Please come back and share it with us.

[Anonymous]

I feel bad for the high-scored CES kids. You should appeal. The selection criteria don't make sense at all!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also received letter today. Nearly identical results to the OP: wait pool for Eastern but not recommended for TPMS.

Wait pool means he gets into Historical Inquiry into Global Humanities.

Stats: CES school with straight As, DCC middle school, CoGAT 99th verbal, 98th quantitative, 97th nonverbal. MAP Fall 2018 was RIT 250 math, 99th, 243 reading, 99th. 5s on PARCC scores.

Is anyone going to appeal? He just got a 270 on the winter MAP.

Not all Middle Schools offer the Historical Inquiry into Global Humanities. It said that on my DC letter as well, but our home Middle School does not offer the class.

You may want to double check with your school. It is my understanding that outside of the MSMC and the host schools for the selective magnets (Eastern, MLK, Takoma, Clemente) all schools would offer the courses next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also received letter today. Nearly identical results to the OP: wait pool for Eastern but not recommended for TPMS.

Wait pool means he gets into Historical Inquiry into Global Humanities.

Stats: CES school with straight As, DCC middle school, CoGAT 99th verbal, 98th quantitative, 97th nonverbal. MAP Fall 2018 was RIT 250 math, 99th, 243 reading, 99th. 5s on PARCC scores.

Is anyone going to appeal? He just got a 270 on the winter MAP.

Not all Middle Schools offer the Historical Inquiry into Global Humanities. It said that on my DC letter as well, but our home Middle School does not offer the class.

You may want to double check with your school. It is my understanding that outside of the MSMC and the host schools for the selective magnets (Eastern, MLK, Takoma, Clemente) all schools would offer the courses next year.

Not all schools offer the enriched math course either. Frost and Cabin John do not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also received letter today. Nearly identical results to the OP: wait pool for Eastern but not recommended for TPMS.

Wait pool means he gets into Historical Inquiry into Global Humanities.

Stats: CES school with straight As, DCC middle school, CoGAT 99th verbal, 98th quantitative, 97th nonverbal. MAP Fall 2018 was RIT 250 math, 99th, 243 reading, 99th. 5s on PARCC scores.

Is anyone going to appeal? He just got a 270 on the winter MAP.

Not all Middle Schools offer the Historical Inquiry into Global Humanities. It said that on my DC letter as well, but our home Middle School does not offer the class.

You may want to double check with your school. It is my understanding that outside of the MSMC and the host schools for the selective magnets (Eastern, MLK, Takoma, Clemente) all schools would offer the courses next year.

Not all schools offer the enriched math course either. Frost and Cabin John do not.

But as the PP said, next year all middle schools are expected to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very confused after reading all these messages. My son was recommended for Takoma Park and while he always scores 99% in MAP and gets straight A's, his cogat MCPS percentiles weren't as impressive (70's and 80's). We are Causasian in a W-feeder. Not sure why he was selected, to be honest, after seeing the scores for the kids who were not recommended.

Maybe he didn't have a cohort in the "lower" range. The info session specifically said that they'd take lower band scores and leave behind higher bands if the cohort numbers said so.

Did not know that MCPS actually has specifically said that!

If true, that would explain the following:

A friend's DC was admitted to TPMS and Eastern. He was gobsmacked - his kid was from a very high achieving cluster, with lots of rejected advanced kids in the home MS because of the peer group criterion. Based on just the numbers - remember MCPS has removed any subjectivity - the kid should not have gotten in. He was afraid that may be his kid was mistakenly considered outlier among outliers by MCPS, while he knew that not to be the case, and may not do well in the magnet program.

Another friend's DS was rejected; this kid was very tight with two classmates who were admitted. His friends refused to believe that he was rejected until he showed them the letter - since they were all exchanging scores, etc. and knew that the rejected kid had better scores!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very confused after reading all these messages. My son was recommended for Takoma Park and while he always scores 99% in MAP and gets straight A's, his cogat MCPS percentiles weren't as impressive (70's and 80's). We are Causasian in a W-feeder. Not sure why he was selected, to be honest, after seeing the scores for the kids who were not recommended.

Maybe he didn't have a cohort in the "lower" range. The info session specifically said that they'd take lower band scores and leave behind higher bands if the cohort numbers said so.

Did not know that MCPS actually has specifically said that!

If true, that would explain the following:

A friend's DC was admitted to TPMS and Eastern. He was gobsmacked - his kid was from a very high achieving cluster, with lots of rejected advanced kids in the home MS because of the peer group criterion. Based on just the numbers - remember MCPS has removed any subjectivity - the kid should not have gotten in. He was afraid that may be his kid was mistakenly considered outlier among outliers by MCPS, while he knew that not to be the case, and may not do well in the magnet program.

Another friend's DS was rejected; this kid was very tight with two classmates who were admitted. His friends refused to believe that he was rejected until he showed them the letter - since they were all exchanging scores, etc. and knew that the rejected kid had better scores!

PP again - these cases were from last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very confused after reading all these messages. My son was recommended for Takoma Park and while he always scores 99% in MAP and gets straight A's, his cogat MCPS percentiles weren't as impressive (70's and 80's). We are Causasian in a W-feeder. Not sure why he was selected, to be honest, after seeing the scores for the kids who were not recommended.

Maybe he didn't have a cohort in the "lower" range. The info session specifically said that they'd take lower band scores and leave behind higher bands if the cohort numbers said so.

Did not know that MCPS actually has specifically said that!

If true, that would explain the following:

A friend's DC was admitted to TPMS and Eastern. He was gobsmacked - his kid was from a very high achieving cluster, with lots of rejected advanced kids in the home MS because of the peer group criterion. Based on just the numbers - remember MCPS has removed any subjectivity - the kid should not have gotten in. He was afraid that may be his kid was mistakenly considered outlier among outliers by MCPS, while he knew that not to be the case, and may not do well in the magnet program.

Another friend's DS was rejected; this kid was very tight with two classmates who were admitted. His friends refused to believe that he was rejected until he showed them the letter - since they were all exchanging scores, etc. and knew that the rejected kid had better scores!

How can that be true? Are you saying, from the same home MS, they choose lower score kid over higher score kid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very confused after reading all these messages. My son was recommended for Takoma Park and while he always scores 99% in MAP and gets straight A's, his cogat MCPS percentiles weren't as impressive (70's and 80's). We are Causasian in a W-feeder. Not sure why he was selected, to be honest, after seeing the scores for the kids who were not recommended.

Maybe he didn't have a cohort in the "lower" range. The info session specifically said that they'd take lower band scores and leave behind higher bands if the cohort numbers said so.

Did not know that MCPS actually has specifically said that!

If true, that would explain the following:

A friend's DC was admitted to TPMS and Eastern. He was gobsmacked - his kid was from a very high achieving cluster, with lots of rejected advanced kids in the home MS because of the peer group criterion. Based on just the numbers - remember MCPS has removed any subjectivity - the kid should not have gotten in. He was afraid that may be his kid was mistakenly considered outlier among outliers by MCPS, while he knew that not to be the case, and may not do well in the magnet program.

Another friend's DS was rejected; this kid was very tight with two classmates who were admitted. His friends refused to believe that he was rejected until he showed them the letter - since they were all exchanging scores, etc. and knew that the rejected kid had better scores!

How can that be true? Are you saying, from the same home MS, they choose lower score kid over higher score kid?

Why does that surprise you? Didn't they say they are using 'holistic' approach? That's exactly what that means, choosing lower scores but some other 'holistic' criteria over higher scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very confused after reading all these messages. My son was recommended for Takoma Park and while he always scores 99% in MAP and gets straight A's, his cogat MCPS percentiles weren't as impressive (70's and 80's). We are Causasian in a W-feeder. Not sure why he was selected, to be honest, after seeing the scores for the kids who were not recommended.

Maybe he didn't have a cohort in the "lower" range. The info session specifically said that they'd take lower band scores and leave behind higher bands if the cohort numbers said so.

Did not know that MCPS actually has specifically said that!

If true, that would explain the following:

A friend's DC was admitted to TPMS and Eastern. He was gobsmacked - his kid was from a very high achieving cluster, with lots of rejected advanced kids in the home MS because of the peer group criterion. Based on just the numbers - remember MCPS has removed any subjectivity - the kid should not have gotten in. He was afraid that may be his kid was mistakenly considered outlier among outliers by MCPS, while he knew that not to be the case, and may not do well in the magnet program.

Another friend's DS was rejected; this kid was very tight with two classmates who were admitted. His friends refused to believe that he was rejected until he showed them the letter - since they were all exchanging scores, etc. and knew that the rejected kid had better scores!

How can that be true? Are you saying, from the same home MS, they choose lower score kid over higher score kid?

Why does that surprise you? Didn't they say they are using 'holistic' approach? That's exactly what that means, choosing lower scores but some other 'holistic' criteria over higher scores.

What does "holistic" to a MS magnet involve? This is BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very confused after reading all these messages. My son was recommended for Takoma Park and while he always scores 99% in MAP and gets straight A's, his cogat MCPS percentiles weren't as impressive (70's and 80's). We are Causasian in a W-feeder. Not sure why he was selected, to be honest, after seeing the scores for the kids who were not recommended.

Maybe he didn't have a cohort in the "lower" range. The info session specifically said that they'd take lower band scores and leave behind higher bands if the cohort numbers said so.

Did not know that MCPS actually has specifically said that!

If true, that would explain the following:

A friend's DC was admitted to TPMS and Eastern. He was gobsmacked - his kid was from a very high achieving cluster, with lots of rejected advanced kids in the home MS because of the peer group criterion. Based on just the numbers - remember MCPS has removed any subjectivity - the kid should not have gotten in. He was afraid that may be his kid was mistakenly considered outlier among outliers by MCPS, while he knew that not to be the case, and may not do well in the magnet program.

Another friend's DS was rejected; this kid was very tight with two classmates who were admitted. His friends refused to believe that he was rejected until he showed them the letter - since they were all exchanging scores, etc. and knew that the rejected kid had better scores!

How can that be true? Are you saying, from the same home MS, they choose lower score kid over higher score kid?

Why does that surprise you? Didn't they say they are using 'holistic' approach? That's exactly what that means, choosing lower scores but some other 'holistic' criteria over higher scores.

What does "holistic" to a MS magnet involve? This is BS.

Exactly! But this BS is also used in elementary magnet selection, as well.