Tuckahoe by the numbers - how can it stay a neighborhood school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And this thread has jumped the shark. Way to derail from the Tuckahoe issue into the same old SES complaining we see over and over.

Boo f#cking hoo.
You didn’t buy a school with your house. Not enough kids can walk. Looks like your classist walkability chickens be comin’ home to roost.

Nope. You are missing the point. We aren't Tuckahoe and we do think it should be changed to an option school. However, the total shift in topic takes people away from that and seems like a diversion put forth by Tuck moms to keep us distracted.

It’s an uncomfortable conversation, but it’s all the same conversation.

[Anonymous]

Wait until the survey results come out and it shows Tuckahoe families responded that the who NW quadrant is walkable. They are trying to game the system. My "friend" who lives over there answered the survey 10 times. There are no checks/balances with this survey, so the data is bunk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this thread has jumped the shark. Way to derail from the Tuckahoe issue into the same old SES complaining we see over and over.

Boo f#cking hoo.
You didn’t buy a school with your house. Not enough kids can walk. Looks like your classist walkability chickens be comin’ home to roost.

Nope. You are missing the point. We aren't Tuckahoe and we do think it should be changed to an option school. However, the total shift in topic takes people away from that and seems like a diversion put forth by Tuck moms to keep us distracted.

It’s an uncomfortable conversation, but it’s all the same conversation.

Actually, it’s not. See the thread title? Yeah.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait until the survey results come out and it shows Tuckahoe families responded that the who NW quadrant is walkable. They are trying to game the system. My "friend" who lives over there answered the survey 10 times. There are no checks/balances with this survey, so the data is bunk.

Until APS staff go to do walking tours. It will be really hard to believe that they will visualize letting 6yr olds walk across Sycamore and Lee Highway at 8:30 in the morning. If those Tuckahoe families think all those units are walkable, then I certainly hope the busses are empty as they walk their kids to school daily now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The houses near the top schools are crazy expensive, with hefty real estate taxes. I'm not trying to be crass, but the more desirable schools come with a price tag. If you don't like your neighborhood school, that is a choice you made when you bought your house. It's like complaining about going to a community college rather than Ivy League..

It’s is literally nothing like that.

explain?

DP, but are you slow? Ivy League admittance is based on student merit, entirely within a student's control. Whether or not one decides to enroll is largely dependent on whether one can self-pay or receive enough financial aid to afford to attend, so that part may be beyond one's own control; however, the greater the demonstrated need, the higher the likelihood one will receive enough aid to afford the school.

As a minor, where you live and attend a neighborhood school is based solely on what your parents can afford. No merit or personal ability can change that. And when all the poor kids are housed in the same neighborhoods and zoned to the same schools, opportunities are diminished from very early ages. So yeah, for all the poor kids and their families it's literally not a choice. For MC families, you might argue there is some degree of "choice" in that they might buy a SFH with 3 bedrooms in a "bad" school zone vs. cramming into a 2 bdr. condo in a "good" school zone for the same price. But again, that's not a choice that children have made; they have no agency in this. Within a public school system, children should neither be punished not rewarded for the "choices" their parents have made, including the "choice" to be poor you Ayn Rand POS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait until the survey results come out and it shows Tuckahoe families responded that the who NW quadrant is walkable. They are trying to game the system. My "friend" who lives over there answered the survey 10 times. There are no checks/balances with this survey, so the data is bunk.

Just like the HS and MS boundary surveys. You asked for walkable schools. Now you're mad they listened?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait until the survey results come out and it shows Tuckahoe families responded that the who NW quadrant is walkable. They are trying to game the system. My "friend" who lives over there answered the survey 10 times. There are no checks/balances with this survey, so the data is bunk.

Could you mention this to someone on the sb? If I had firsthand knowledge of people gaming the system I would.

[Anonymous]

Wait. Why does anyone think it's OK to move a choice program basically to border of Falls Church City. A new one, OK, I guess. Though I think if anyone should get a new optoin program is somewhere S. of 50. A current one? No way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait until the survey results come out and it shows Tuckahoe families responded that the who NW quadrant is walkable. They are trying to game the system. My "friend" who lives over there answered the survey 10 times. There are no checks/balances with this survey, so the data is bunk.

Could you mention this to someone on the sb? If I had firsthand knowledge of people gaming the system I would.

I'm sure they know. The posts are on NextDoor- which is a pretty open platform. They are encouraging people to assume that Nottingham is the choice school and thus include the literal planning unit that Nottingham is in, among others, as 'walkable' to Tuckahoe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait until the survey results come out and it shows Tuckahoe families responded that the who NW quadrant is walkable. They are trying to game the system. My "friend" who lives over there answered the survey 10 times. There are no checks/balances with this survey, so the data is bunk.

Could you mention this to someone on the sb? If I had firsthand knowledge of people gaming the system I would.

I'm sure they know. The posts are on NextDoor- which is a pretty open platform. They are encouraging people to assume that Nottingham is the choice school and thus include the literal planning unit that Nottingham is in, among others, as 'walkable' to Tuckahoe.

Bahaha that is ridiculous! Nottingham will never be a choice school. Tons of walkers, 2 buses serve the entire school. And that is only from the zones that will attend Reed in a couple years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait. Why does anyone think it's OK to move a choice program basically to border of Falls Church City. A new one, OK, I guess. Though I think if anyone should get a new optoin program is somewhere S. of 50. A current one? No way.

Because kids in the eastern side of the county need seats. People who opt to go to a choice program have to be willing to put their kids on a bus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait. Why does anyone think it's OK to move a choice program basically to border of Falls Church City. A new one, OK, I guess. Though I think if anyone should get a new optoin program is somewhere S. of 50. A current one? No way.

Because kids in the eastern side of the county need seats. People who opt to go to a choice program have to be willing to put their kids on a bus.

won't the Key/ASFS switch help with this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait. Why does anyone think it's OK to move a choice program basically to border of Falls Church City. A new one, OK, I guess. Though I think if anyone should get a new optoin program is somewhere S. of 50. A current one? No way.

Because kids in the eastern side of the county need seats. People who opt to go to a choice program have to be willing to put their kids on a bus.

I really think it is this. The fact is they opened up a school in the Northwest (Discovery). They are opening in South East (Fleet). They need a school in the North East next- there is no land in the North East to build, but there is a choice school there (Key). Moving out that school is a way to 'build a school.'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait. Why does anyone think it's OK to move a choice program basically to border of Falls Church City. A new one, OK, I guess. Though I think if anyone should get a new optoin program is somewhere S. of 50. A current one? No way.

Because when the Reed school opens there will be an excess of seats in that area of the county. A lot of the current Tuckahoe PUs will shift to Reed. Tuckahoe and Nottingham have a lot of overlap in attendance areas, so most of the remaining kids can easily shift to Nottingham.

It may not be ideal placement for an option school, but the seats will be there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The houses near the top schools are crazy expensive, with hefty real estate taxes. I'm not trying to be crass, but the more desirable schools come with a price tag. If you don't like your neighborhood school, that is a choice you made when you bought your house. It's like complaining about going to a community college rather than Ivy League..

It’s is literally nothing like that.

explain?

DP, but are you slow? Ivy League admittance is based on student merit, entirely within a student's control. Whether or not one decides to enroll is largely dependent on whether one can self-pay or receive enough financial aid to afford to attend, so that part may be beyond one's own control; however, the greater the demonstrated need, the higher the likelihood one will receive enough aid to afford the school.

As a minor, where you live and attend a neighborhood school is based solely on what your parents can afford. No merit or personal ability can change that. And when all the poor kids are housed in the same neighborhoods and zoned to the same schools, opportunities are diminished from very early ages. So yeah, for all the poor kids and their families it's literally not a choice. For MC families, you might argue there is some degree of "choice" in that they might buy a SFH with 3 bedrooms in a "bad" school zone vs. cramming into a 2 bdr. condo in a "good" school zone for the same price. But again, that's not a choice that children have made; they have no agency in this. Within a public school system, children should neither be punished not rewarded for the "choices" their parents have made, including the "choice" to be poor you Ayn Rand POS.

Hey - don't trash libertarians like that! Many libertarians/conservatives I know are the strongest fighters for giving all kids, not just UMC ones, a good start at life. That's why we often fight for choice or charter schools. It's often liberals who love their non-choice neighborhood schools (that are basically UMC/UC private schools where the admission is done by housing prices rather than student merit) and try to take away choices for other families.