McConnell now offering time for vote by 12 Noon Monday

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The discussion after the 8th will not just be about immigration-it will be an opportunity to re-open the entire can of worms

But why after the 8th?

Just run a clean DACA bill on Wednesday and a clean CHIP Bill on Friday and go from there. It really isn't that hard. Waiting until the 8th just puts the Senate in the same position, CHIP is still unfunded and DACA is one month closer to expiration.

Exactly. But the fact that McConnell doesn't want to do that demonstrates he's afraid those votes won't go his way.

[Anonymous]

Democrats have to be more thoughtful today and trying to play a longer short game. Before now there was more to the argument that this was a trump/McConnell problem (shutting down), but now with flake and graham having visibly suggested they’ll go with the flow today and vote for the CR, Dems have less cover and if they vote no, they will get squarely blamed for keeping the government shut down.

Hopefully 3 weeks is short enough that, if McConnell doesn’t maintain his promises and we come to an impasse again, the interested public will realize hes been stringing people along, and any efforts to hold out will seem more justified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have to be more thoughtful today and trying to play a longer short game. Before now there was more to the argument that this was a trump/McConnell problem (shutting down), but now with flake and graham having visibly suggested they’ll go with the flow today and vote for the CR, Dems have less cover and if they vote no, they will get squarely blamed for keeping the government shut down.

Hopefully 3 weeks is short enough that, if McConnell doesn’t maintain his promises and we come to an impasse again, the interested public will realize hes been stringing people along, and any efforts to hold out will seem more justified.

I think I agree with this, but what more assurance can Schumer get to go along with this? Because what McConnell said last night isn't strong enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So who's going to blink first?

this is all on chuckie

As long as Stephen Miller supports:

- Nationwide mandatory e-verify, with criminal penalties for employers
- Immediate arrest and deportation of the 8M DACA parents that are responsible for the DACA invasion.
- Immediate impregnable border security.
- Trump's campaign promise: "THEY ALL MUST GO".

then Miller speaks for me and the 63M Americans that voted for Campaign Trump.

Amnesty of illegals will end the Trump presidency in 2020, exactly as "Read my lips" ended Bush's presidency in 1992.

Dream on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So who's going to blink first?

this is all on chuckie

As long as Stephen Miller supports:

- Nationwide mandatory e-verify, with criminal penalties for employers
- Immediate arrest and deportation of the 8M DACA parents that are responsible for the DACA invasion.
- Immediate impregnable border security.
- Trump's campaign promise: "THEY ALL MUST GO".

then Miller speaks for me and the 63M Americans that voted for Campaign Trump.

Amnesty of illegals will end the Trump presidency in 2020, exactly as "Read my lips" ended Bush's presidency in 1992.

The problem is that 66 million voted for the other side and polling is 25-75 against you opinion. If that is the case, expect to get slaughtered in the 2018 elections and a lame duck presidency with the follow on impeachment over Russia and Money laundering - something GOP Senators won't be able to ignore in 2019, lest they get ousted in 2020 themselves.

The problem is that CR hell is worse than a shutdown, if that shutdown results in a budget. A CR stalls the government, especially military expenses. Republicans seem unable to pass a budget, bunch of losers.

They are also willing to use the military as a pawn in this, as McConnell wouldn't bring full military exemption from the shutdown as a vote to the floor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So who's going to blink first?

this is all on chuckie

As long as Stephen Miller supports:

- Nationwide mandatory e-verify, with criminal penalties for employers
- Immediate arrest and deportation of the 8M DACA parents that are responsible for the DACA invasion.
- Immediate impregnable border security.
- Trump's campaign promise: "THEY ALL MUST GO".

then Miller speaks for me and the 63M Americans that voted for Campaign Trump.

Amnesty of illegals will end the Trump presidency in 2020, exactly as "Read my lips" ended Bush's presidency in 1992.

I like your analysis. More humane immigration policy and the end of trump? Win-win.

[Anonymous]

Miller got to Trump and poisoned the deal.

Graham said so. McConnell said they can't pin down Trump on what he wants. This is days after him saying "whatever you all bring me, I'll sign".

Can't even blame Congress for this mess. It's Trump's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have to be more thoughtful today and trying to play a longer short game. Before now there was more to the argument that this was a trump/McConnell problem (shutting down), but now with flake and graham having visibly suggested they’ll go with the flow today and vote for the CR, Dems have less cover and if they vote no, they will get squarely blamed for keeping the government shut down.

Hopefully 3 weeks is short enough that, if McConnell doesn’t maintain his promises and we come to an impasse again, the interested public will realize hes been stringing people along, and any efforts to hold out will seem more justified.

I think I agree with this, but what more assurance can Schumer get to go along with this? Because what McConnell said last night isn't strong enough.

Yes, I wonder if something concrete could be written into the CR that both sides would agree with.

[Anonymous]

What do people predict, will the CR pass Senate and House Today as-is?

[Anonymous]

Of course it will pass. Schumer has been silent all morning. The votes have already been counted. If it doesn't pass this will be all on the Dems since McConnell now has all the republicans on board. There are too many vulnerable red state democrat senators. Still id like to see schumer stand up for his principles and show his face at least against the cr. But if he doesn't, why should any.vulnerable dem carry his water?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course it will pass. Schumer has been silent all morning. The votes have already been counted. If it doesn't pass this will be all on the Dems since McConnell now has all the republicans on board. There are too many vulnerable red state democrat senators. Still id like to see schumer stand up for his principles and show his face at least against the cr. But if he doesn't, why should any.vulnerable dem carry his water?

Do you feel that there should be an understanding in writing regarding brining DACA to the floor as McConnell has now promised? He’s made similar promises before and hasn’t kept to his word. Should democrats insist on some written assurance before they agree?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course it will pass. Schumer has been silent all morning. The votes have already been counted. If it doesn't pass this will be all on the Dems since McConnell now has all the republicans on board. There are too many vulnerable red state democrat senators. Still id like to see schumer stand up for his principles and show his face at least against the cr. But if he doesn't, why should any.vulnerable dem carry his water?

Do you feel that there should be an understanding in writing regarding brining DACA to the floor as McConnell has now promised? He’s made similar promises before and hasn’t kept to his word. Should democrats insist on some written assurance before they agree?

Both Rs and Ds are talking about adding a written agreement about McConnell's intention to the CR. If that happens, then I'm confident that the CR will pass. If not, I'm slightly less confident but expect that it will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course it will pass. Schumer has been silent all morning. The votes have already been counted. If it doesn't pass this will be all on the Dems since McConnell now has all the republicans on board. There are too many vulnerable red state democrat senators. Still id like to see schumer stand up for his principles and show his face at least against the cr. But if he doesn't, why should any.vulnerable dem carry his water?

Do you feel that there should be an understanding in writing regarding brining DACA to the floor as McConnell has now promised? He’s made similar promises before and hasn’t kept to his word. Should democrats insist on some written assurance before they agree?

Both Rs and Ds are talking about adding a written agreement about McConnell's intention to the CR. If that happens, then I'm confident that the CR will pass. If not, I'm slightly less confident but expect that it will.

Thank you. Yes I can’t see why that wouldn’t pass if it had a certain level of assurance. I know I’d personally feel more comfortable with that though knowing it wouldn’t be a sure thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why can't they just pass a DACA and CHIP bill between now and Feb 8th and then get the budget passed before the 8th.

This shouldn't be that hard.

It shouldn't be that hard -- but somehow it is....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course it will pass. Schumer has been silent all morning. The votes have already been counted. If it doesn't pass this will be all on the Dems since McConnell now has all the republicans on board. There are too many vulnerable red state democrat senators. Still id like to see schumer stand up for his principles and show his face at least against the cr. But if he doesn't, why should any.vulnerable dem carry his water?

Problem is, many of the "vulnerable red state Senators" are likely to lose to a Dem.