Hardy vs. Deal

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives next to Hardy and walks by it every day when the kids are arriving, I can say that the school appears to be extremely diverse by this region's standards. Lots of white, black and Asian kids. A smattering of Hispanics. The Asian cohort is actually outsized relative to their population in DC, IMHO.

It reminds me of my own extremely diverse public high school experience in Southern California (a good thing, imho).

I'm a PP IB for Deal. I was curious about this and just looked up the DCPS profiles for Hardy vs. Deal. I see that the Asian % at Hardy (10%) is more than twice that at Deal (4%).

What's up with that? Is there a neighborhood IB for Hardy that has a lot of Asians, or one of the feeders? Just curious, and am 1/2 Asian myself.

Well either more Asian students live IB, or they lottery in from other parts of the city. Since few, if any, can lottery into Deal, there you will only find Asians who live in the attendance zone.

PP here. This doesn't explain why proportionally Asians would be over-represented among OOB students relative to any other demographic. Unless there's some other explanation--e.g., is there some OOB neighborhood where a lot of Asian families lottery for Hardy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives next to Hardy and walks by it every day when the kids are arriving, I can say that the school appears to be extremely diverse by this region's standards. Lots of white, black and Asian kids. A smattering of Hispanics. The Asian cohort is actually outsized relative to their population in DC, IMHO.

It reminds me of my own extremely diverse public high school experience in Southern California (a good thing, imho).

I'm a PP IB for Deal. I was curious about this and just looked up the DCPS profiles for Hardy vs. Deal. I see that the Asian % at Hardy (10%) is more than twice that at Deal (4%).

What's up with that? Is there a neighborhood IB for Hardy that has a lot of Asians, or one of the feeders? Just curious, and am 1/2 Asian myself.

Well either more Asian students live IB, or they lottery in from other parts of the city. Since few, if any, can lottery into Deal, there you will only find Asians who live in the attendance zone.

PP here. This doesn't explain why proportionally Asians would be over-represented among OOB students relative to any other demographic. Unless there's some other explanation--e.g., is there some OOB neighborhood where a lot of Asian families lottery for Hardy?

The Chinese Embassy has a number of staff and their families in a residential building just north of Hardy. Many of the kids go to Stoddert and feed into Hardy. A big plus for Stoddert/Hardy families is the huge number of diplomatic kids that end up in the public schools and enrich the environment - plus US kids whose families go overseas for a few years and return. Downside is that good friendships are made and then kids move away - lots of Skype and WhatsApp. We have had 14 close friends of my 3 children move on to new postings - Australia, France, South Africa, Luxembourg, Italy, Ecuador, China, Japan, Barbados, Ghana, Russia, Israel.

[Anonymous]

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Asians don't really count as diversity in DC.

WTF? My Asian kid definitely notices the small percentage in her school. It counts to her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives next to Hardy and walks by it every day when the kids are arriving, I can say that the school appears to be extremely diverse by this region's standards. Lots of white, black and Asian kids. A smattering of Hispanics. The Asian cohort is actually outsized relative to their population in DC, IMHO.

It reminds me of my own extremely diverse public high school experience in Southern California (a good thing, imho).

I'm a PP IB for Deal. I was curious about this and just looked up the DCPS profiles for Hardy vs. Deal. I see that the Asian % at Hardy (10%) is more than twice that at Deal (4%).

What's up with that? Is there a neighborhood IB for Hardy that has a lot of Asians, or one of the feeders? Just curious, and am 1/2 Asian myself.

Well either more Asian students live IB, or they lottery in from other parts of the city. Since few, if any, can lottery into Deal, there you will only find Asians who live in the attendance zone.

Asians don't really count as diversity in DC.

TROLL ALERT

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives next to Hardy and walks by it every day when the kids are arriving, I can say that the school appears to be extremely diverse by this region's standards. Lots of white, black and Asian kids. A smattering of Hispanics. The Asian cohort is actually outsized relative to their population in DC, IMHO.

It reminds me of my own extremely diverse public high school experience in Southern California (a good thing, imho).

I'm a PP IB for Deal. I was curious about this and just looked up the DCPS profiles for Hardy vs. Deal. I see that the Asian % at Hardy (10%) is more than twice that at Deal (4%).

What's up with that? Is there a neighborhood IB for Hardy that has a lot of Asians, or one of the feeders? Just curious, and am 1/2 Asian myself.

Well either more Asian students live IB, or they lottery in from other parts of the city. Since few, if any, can lottery into Deal, there you will only find Asians who live in the attendance zone.

PP here. This doesn't explain why proportionally Asians would be over-represented among OOB students relative to any other demographic. Unless there's some other explanation--e.g., is there some OOB neighborhood where a lot of Asian families lottery for Hardy?

The Chinese Embassy has a number of staff and their families in a residential building just north of Hardy. Many of the kids go to Stoddert and feed into Hardy. A big plus for Stoddert/Hardy families is the huge number of diplomatic kids that end up in the public schools and enrich the environment - plus US kids whose families go overseas for a few years and return. Downside is that good friendships are made and then kids move away - lots of Skype and WhatsApp. We have had 14 close friends of my 3 children move on to new postings - Australia, France, South Africa, Luxembourg, Italy, Ecuador, China, Japan, Barbados, Ghana, Russia, Israel.

This probably explains it. I definitely see groups of Asian kids walking on to the campus via the Wisconsin Ave gate in the AM. Like 5 to 8 kids per group and there's multiple groups. Once on campus, the Asian kids then break up once they see their other friends (white, black, Hispanic students).

Hardy seems like a pretty cool school. Lots of mixing of friend groups of kids from different backgrounds. All the students seem pretty chill, I've not observed any stupid shenanigans.

[Anonymous]

Lots of international/embassy kids in attendance seems like a huge plus for hardy if that’s what is going on. Anyone know for sure? We usually talk about diversity as a mixture of colors of Americans, but a large cohort of international students would introduce a much more meaningful kind of divert, imho.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of international/embassy kids in attendance seems like a huge plus for hardy if that’s what is going on. Anyone know for sure? We usually talk about diversity as a mixture of colors of Americans, but a large cohort of international students would introduce a much more meaningful kind of divert, imho.

One ambassador's kid is going to Hardy now (ie. from another country).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Asians don't really count as diversity in DC.

WTF? My Asian kid definitely notices the small percentage in her school. It counts to her.

The PP was being glib, presumably noting how in DC, discussions of diversity often seem to focus on AA-white dynamics. Most of us are quite aware that the community includes people of many ethnicities, citizenships, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Asians don't really count as diversity in DC.

WTF? My Asian kid definitely notices the small percentage in her school. It counts to her.

The PP was being glib, presumably noting how in DC, discussions of diversity often seem to focus on AA-white dynamics. Most of us are quite aware that the community includes people of many ethnicities, citizenships, etc.

Agree the PP was being sarcastic/glib. But I'm going to insert some data anyway.

Across all public school students in DC (charters + DCPS)

68% of students are black
10% white
18% Latino
1.6% are Asian.

A few specific schools with larger percentages of Asian students include (and a few that people will ask about are below). NOTE: this isn't meant to be comprehensive

Elementary / Pk-8
Thomson 15%
Murch 10.5%
YY 10%
Ross 9.4%
Mann 7.4%
Stoddert 6.4%
SWW@FS 6.8%

Middle/High Schools
Hardy 10.4%
BASIS 8.4%
Washington Latin middle 5.5%
BASIS 8.4%
Wilson High School 6.5%
SWW high school 5.8%
Deal 4.6%
DCI 2.7%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Asians don't really count as diversity in DC.

WTF? My Asian kid definitely notices the small percentage in her school. It counts to her.

The PP was being glib, presumably noting how in DC, discussions of diversity often seem to focus on AA-white dynamics. Most of us are quite aware that the community includes people of many ethnicities, citizenships, etc.

Agree the PP was being sarcastic/glib. But I'm going to insert some data anyway.

Across all public school students in DC (charters + DCPS)

68% of students are black
10% white
18% Latino
1.6% are Asian.

A few specific schools with larger percentages of Asian students include (and a few that people will ask about are below). NOTE: this isn't meant to be comprehensive

Elementary / Pk-8
Thomson 15%
Murch 10.5%
YY 10%
Ross 9.4%
Mann 7.4%
Stoddert 6.4%
SWW@FS 6.8%

Middle/High Schools
Hardy 10.4%
BASIS 8.4%
Washington Latin middle 5.5%
BASIS 8.4%
Wilson High School 6.5%
SWW high school 5.8%
Deal 4.6%
DCI 2.7%

Adding Seaton, which is 13%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Asians don't really count as diversity in DC.

WTF? My Asian kid definitely notices the small percentage in her school. It counts to her.

The PP was being glib, presumably noting how in DC, discussions of diversity often seem to focus on AA-white dynamics. Most of us are quite aware that the community includes people of many ethnicities, citizenships, etc.

Agree the PP was being sarcastic/glib. But I'm going to insert some data anyway.

Across all public school students in DC (charters + DCPS)

68% of students are black
10% white
18% Latino
1.6% are Asian.

A few specific schools with larger percentages of Asian students include (and a few that people will ask about are below). NOTE: this isn't meant to be comprehensive

Elementary / Pk-8
Thomson 15%
Murch 10.5%
YY 10%
Ross 9.4%
Mann 7.4%
Stoddert 6.4%
SWW@FS 6.8%

Middle/High Schools
Hardy 10.4%
BASIS 8.4%
Washington Latin middle 5.5%
BASIS 8.4%
Wilson High School 6.5%
SWW high school 5.8%
Deal 4.6%
DCI 2.7%

Adding Seaton, which is 13%

Interesting about Thompson. The old adage is that the Chinese no longer live in Chinatown, but that's clearly not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives next to Hardy and walks by it every day when the kids are arriving, I can say that the school appears to be extremely diverse by this region's standards. Lots of white, black and Asian kids. A smattering of Hispanics. The Asian cohort is actually outsized relative to their population in DC, IMHO.

It reminds me of my own extremely diverse public high school experience in Southern California (a good thing, imho).

I'm a PP IB for Deal. I was curious about this and just looked up the DCPS profiles for Hardy vs. Deal. I see that the Asian % at Hardy (10%) is more than twice that at Deal (4%).

What's up with that? Is there a neighborhood IB for Hardy that has a lot of Asians, or one of the feeders? Just curious, and am 1/2 Asian myself.

Well either more Asian students live IB, or they lottery in from other parts of the city. Since few, if any, can lottery into Deal, there you will only find Asians who live in the attendance zone.

Fun with numbers: In raw numbers Deal has more Asian students (60 v. 37) since it is larger. Similarly, Deal has more black students than Hardy has total students.

The only factors for people who have the option of weighing a choice between these schools is size and IBMYP versus traditional curriculum (and apparently uniforms).

The demographics for Hardy - as a small school - will continue to change dramatically in the next year or two also... so would keep an eye out for the differences next year even if you are following trends.

They won't change much if DCPS maintains roughly the same OOB enrollment even as IB goes up. DCPS doesn't want to face the resulting political sh*#storm from cutting OOB much at Hardy.

I really do not think it matters anymore as the IB population that uses public schools and the feeder school populations are much more diverse than you may realize. These schools all have an amazing and wonderful mix of kids.