Why should I vote Republican after this tax plan?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an upper middle class professional and a Democrat. For years I’ve been hearing that I should really be Republican for my own self interest. Less taxes and all that. But now this new Trump/Republican tax plan come out and guess what, it complete is not good for me.

Can someone explain?

I thought liberals wanted their taxes raised to support those in need. All talk?

Is that part in the Republican budget?

No the Republican budget is all about taking from those in need and giving to billionaires.

I don't care about those in need. Got it? Your definition of need is dividing people into groups/classes and then playing them off against one another. Time for you to start supporting yourself, and flattening the tax code so EVERYONE pays an equal percentage.

Yep, we sure do. This is the Republican motto. You might as well write it into your party platform.

They already have. They are deplorable and cling to their guns and their God. Hillary and Obama were right.

And got pilloried for telling the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have to hand it to Trump. Machiavelli couldn't have devised a better way to concentrate the Democrat vote into blue states and shift red and purple areas into the GOP.

Yes, this will make Virginia solid blue, as the upper middle class liberals, living in million dollar homes, sending their children to "TJ," will rebel against the GOP, but most of the other, less wealthy, purple states will benefit.

Trump is a political genius then.

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Anonymous wrote:I want you to think about this... (rough numbers, not exact)

In 1999 Congress increased the NIH's budget by $2.3 billion[29] to $17.2 billion in 2000.[30] In 2009 Congress again increased the NIH budget to $31 billion in 2010.[30] In March 2017, President Trump proposed to cut the 2018 budget by 18.3%, or about $5.8 billion to $25.9 billion.[31]:26

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institutes_of_Health


Their budget has doubled in less than twenty years. That's a ridiculous debasement of our currency, especially when we borrow 45 cents out of every dollar the government spends. That's not going to go on forever. Wake up!

And how much has the defense budget gone up in that same time period?

That $2.3 billion increase included an additional $350 million for Alzheimer’s research, $200 million for the Precision Medicine Initiative, $85 million for the BRAIN Initiative, and $303 million for combating antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

The NIH also funds from the Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD) and the Office of Behavioral and Social Sciences Research (OBSSR) that supports our Global Obesity Prevention Center (GOPC) at Johns Hopkins University....and more

Failure to keep research funding at least on par of cost of living will also result in fewer people entering scientific fields. Slowing research would be a detriment to all of us as new infectious diseases appear.

Don't GAS. Privatize it. The government spends up spending five times what the provate sector does to get the same outcomes.

The private sector can conduct this research too and share it with everyone. But they don’t. That is why we have NIH and other grant programs that support research.

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Anonymous wrote:I want you to think about this... (rough numbers, not exact)

In 1999 Congress increased the NIH's budget by $2.3 billion[29] to $17.2 billion in 2000.[30] In 2009 Congress again increased the NIH budget to $31 billion in 2010.[30] In March 2017, President Trump proposed to cut the 2018 budget by 18.3%, or about $5.8 billion to $25.9 billion.[31]:26

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institutes_of_Health


Their budget has doubled in less than twenty years. That's a ridiculous debasement of our currency, especially when we borrow 45 cents out of every dollar the government spends. That's not going to go on forever. Wake up!

And how much has the defense budget gone up in that same time period?

That $2.3 billion increase included an additional $350 million for Alzheimer’s research, $200 million for the Precision Medicine Initiative, $85 million for the BRAIN Initiative, and $303 million for combating antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

The NIH also funds from the Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD) and the Office of Behavioral and Social Sciences Research (OBSSR) that supports our Global Obesity Prevention Center (GOPC) at Johns Hopkins University....and more

Failure to keep research funding at least on par of cost of living will also result in fewer people entering scientific fields. Slowing research would be a detriment to all of us as new infectious diseases appear.

Don't GAS. Privatize it. The government spends up spending five times what the provate sector does to get the same outcomes.

The private sector can conduct this research too and share it with everyone. But they don’t. That is why we have NIH and other grant programs that support research.

The federal government funds basic scientific research primarily. The private sector uses these results to develop applications they can make money from. The research budget of the US is an innovations machine. The private sector does not have much of an incentive to do basic research (sometimes called curiosity driven science) because they cannot patent the gains in general knowledge but the deep and wide knowledge the scientific community gains from basic research projects conducted in government labs or in university settings (with the help of federal grant money) has a huge payoff for the private sector. Federal research funding is also responsible for financing the education of the vast majority of PhDs in the sciences. The public and the private sector get a lot of bang for their buck. Conservative estimates are a $3 return for each $1 spent even after recognizing that not every scientific study has an obvious rationale.
http://www.sciencecoalition.org/federal_investment

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an upper middle class professional and a Democrat. For years I’ve been hearing that I should really be Republican for my own self interest. Less taxes and all that. But now this new Trump/Republican tax plan come out and guess what, it complete is not good for me.

Can someone explain?

You live in a Blue State and should derive joy out of paying higher local and state taxes to take care of those who didn’t have the privilege you have. You are the nameless, faceless giver and your graciousness shows by not needing appreciation by those who benefit from your success. You are a Democrat because you believe in sharing.

Time to share.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an upper middle class professional and a Democrat. For years I’ve been hearing that I should really be Republican for my own self interest. Less taxes and all that. But now this new Trump/Republican tax plan come out and guess what, it complete is not good for me.

Can someone explain?

I thought liberals wanted their taxes raised to support those in need. All talk?

Only with other people's money.

And this is the truth!

The outcry among liberals because it will cost them a few dollars surfaces their hypocrisy.

Yet none of you conservatives will admit where the extra tax dollars are going. Why is that?

I'm still waiting for you libs to tell us how much extra you're willing to pay. About three cents?

I'm only this far into reading the thread and it depends on what we're getting but I would be willing to pay like 10-20k a year for universal healthcare, investments in clean energy, childcare subsides and access to higher education.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an upper middle class professional and a Democrat. For years I’ve been hearing that I should really be Republican for my own self interest. Less taxes and all that. But now this new Trump/Republican tax plan come out and guess what, it complete is not good for me.

Can someone explain?

I thought liberals wanted their taxes raised to support those in need. All talk?

Only with other people's money.

And this is the truth!

The outcry among liberals because it will cost them a few dollars surfaces their hypocrisy.

Yet none of you conservatives will admit where the extra tax dollars are going. Why is that?

I'm still waiting for you libs to tell us how much extra you're willing to pay. About three cents?

$50,000. But only if it goes to poor people.

Hey, you're free to skip the gubmint altogether and give cash directly to whoever you see as poor. Skip the middleman. Now, get off keyboard and get to it !!!

I love f'n with progressives.

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The private sector can conduct this research too and share it with everyone. But they don’t. That is why we have NIH and other grant programs that support research.

The federal government funds basic scientific research primarily. The private sector uses these results to develop applications they can make money from. The research budget of the US is an innovations machine. The private sector does not have much of an incentive to do basic research (sometimes called curiosity driven science) because they cannot patent the gains in general knowledge but the deep and wide knowledge the scientific community gains from basic research projects conducted in government labs or in university settings (with the help of federal grant money) has a huge payoff for the private sector. Federal research funding is also responsible for financing the education of the vast majority of PhDs in the sciences. The public and the private sector get a lot of bang for their buck. Conservative estimates are a $3 return for each $1 spent even after recognizing that not every scientific study has an obvious rationale.

http://www.sciencecoalition.org/federal_investment


So it's corporate welfare then. Get rid of it.

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I'm only this far into reading the thread and it depends on what we're getting but I would be willing to pay like 10-20k a year for universal healthcare, investments in clean energy, childcare subsides and access to higher education.

I'd like a pony!

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I'm only this far into reading the thread and it depends on what we're getting but I would be willing to pay like 10-20k a year for universal healthcare, investments in clean energy, childcare subsides and access to higher education.

I'd like a pony!

Yeah I guess I just don't see healthcare, education, the planet or families as superfluous and silly like a pony but you do you

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an upper middle class professional and a Democrat. For years I’ve been hearing that I should really be Republican for my own self interest. Less taxes and all that. But now this new Trump/Republican tax plan come out and guess what, it complete is not good for me.

Can someone explain?

You live in a Blue State and should derive joy out of paying higher local and state taxes to take care of those who didn’t have the privilege you have. You are the nameless, faceless giver and your graciousness shows by not needing appreciation by those who benefit from your success. You are a Democrat because you believe in sharing.

Time to share.

So the whole argument that Republicans will cut my taxes wasn’t true?

[Anonymous]

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The private sector can conduct this research too and share it with everyone. But they don’t. That is why we have NIH and other grant programs that support research.

The federal government funds basic scientific research primarily. The private sector uses these results to develop applications they can make money from. The research budget of the US is an innovations machine. The private sector does not have much of an incentive to do basic research (sometimes called curiosity driven science) because they cannot patent the gains in general knowledge but the deep and wide knowledge the scientific community gains from basic research projects conducted in government labs or in university settings (with the help of federal grant money) has a huge payoff for the private sector. Federal research funding is also responsible for financing the education of the vast majority of PhDs in the sciences. The public and the private sector get a lot of bang for their buck. Conservative estimates are a $3 return for each $1 spent even after recognizing that not every scientific study has an obvious rationale.

http://www.sciencecoalition.org/federal_investment

So it's corporate welfare then. Get rid of it.
It benefits all of us including the private sector.
The human genome project cost around $3 billion over 15 years (1990-2005). That was a basic research project. Scientists were trying to find out as much as they could about the human genome without an explicit focus on what they would do with that knowledge.
The results of their wide and varied research has resulted in $1 trillion in economic activity since then not to mention the medical breakthroughs that have benefited all of us. That is an amazing rate of return.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americas-miracle-machine-is-in-desperate-need-of-well-a-miracle/2017/05/05/daafbe6a-30e7-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?utm_term=.c5b7482428b0

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an upper middle class professional and a Democrat. For years I’ve been hearing that I should really be Republican for my own self interest. Less taxes and all that. But now this new Trump/Republican tax plan come out and guess what, it complete is not good for me.

Can someone explain?

I thought liberals wanted their taxes raised to support those in need. All talk?

Only with other people's money.

And this is the truth!

The outcry among liberals because it will cost them a few dollars surfaces their hypocrisy.

Yet none of you conservatives will admit where the extra tax dollars are going. Why is that?

I'm still waiting for you libs to tell us how much extra you're willing to pay. About three cents?

$50,000. But only if it goes to poor people.

Hey, you're free to skip the gubmint altogether and give cash directly to whoever you see as poor. Skip the middleman. Now, get off keyboard and get to it !!!

I love f'n with progressives.

You are a moron. Do you not understand how $50,000 won't do much. Everyone needs to pay. Especially when we have so many dummies like you. JFC.

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You are a moron. Do you not understand how $50,000 won't do much. Everyone needs to pay. Especially when we have so many dummies like you. JFC.

I have never seen a liberal at least admit that there may be administrative waste in the system and we don't need the manpower numbers we have in every federal agency to get the job done. Furthermore, I've never seen a liberal state that maybe we can turn x, y or z back to the state.

The ONLY thing I've seen you do is push your agenda without compromise and ask for govt to do more more more. You never never compromise on anything, assholes, so why should the other side???

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MEANWHILE

http://www.usdebtclock.org

(and we're borrowing or printing 45 cents of every dollar the government spends... and leaving that mess to the next generation)