Hannah Graham - what's the latest?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Re: how does one become a murderer/rapist. I think it comes from a source of anger + entitlement. A sense that you are entitled to affection from women and you are angry that you aren't getting positive responses from your attempts. It also helps that you are very large and able to over-power women who are smaller/weaker than you.

The perpetrator probably doesn't feel angry towards grandma or sister b/c he doesn't expect them to accept his advances (like he does with other women). JM was shot down by other women that night in the bars. HG wasn't in a position to deflect/reject him b/c of inebriation... and to the extent she did, it wouldn't have taken much for a big guy like JM to suffocate her. Remember that JM didn't know HG or even set out that night to attack anyone. Sounds like he was looking for female attention. HG was just in the worst place at the worst time when she crossed his path. JM is more of an impromtu murderer rapist. Self-absorbed and angry at his lot in life.

In fact, I bet the psychologists will find out that his first and second rapes actually drove him further toward being a murderer later b/c he probably blamed the women he raped at the colleges for ruining his football career, his education, and his entire life (i.e. working in low-skilled job, can't live the American dream, etc.). That's how he makes himself into the victim and gets angry enough to kill those who are trying to destroy him (i.e. that's how he sees women who reject him or don't want to have sex with him).

I think this is as good an explanation as any. I guess I just can't imagine how a man who appears to have close relationships with his female relatives has so little empathy, such hatred for the females he was attracted to. He got angry when the women he was harassing at the bar finally got sick of him and left. Maybe he went out to find (hunt down) and get one or both of them and bumped into Hannah instead. It's chilling to think how ruthless this was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any of her friends spoken out about the why she was walking alone and not with them? Did they try to get her to walk with a friend?

This is a good point. It is a lesson for all young women - college age and 20-somethings. When you go out, go with at least one other person - preferably a group - and COME HOME TOGETHER.

When you are drunk you are always at risk because you make bad choices. Women would have so much more control if they were sober. Bad things happen when you are drunk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: how does one become a murderer/rapist. I think it comes from a source of anger + entitlement. A sense that you are entitled to affection from women and you are angry that you aren't getting positive responses from your attempts. It also helps that you are very large and able to over-power women who are smaller/weaker than you.

The perpetrator probably doesn't feel angry towards grandma or sister b/c he doesn't expect them to accept his advances (like he does with other women). JM was shot down by other women that night in the bars. HG wasn't in a position to deflect/reject him b/c of inebriation... and to the extent she did, it wouldn't have taken much for a big guy like JM to suffocate her. Remember that JM didn't know HG or even set out that night to attack anyone. Sounds like he was looking for female attention. HG was just in the worst place at the worst time when she crossed his path. JM is more of an impromtu murderer rapist. Self-absorbed and angry at his lot in life.

In fact, I bet the psychologists will find out that his first and second rapes actually drove him further toward being a murderer later b/c he probably blamed the women he raped at the colleges for ruining his football career, his education, and his entire life (i.e. working in low-skilled job, can't live the American dream, etc.). That's how he makes himself into the victim and gets angry enough to kill those who are trying to destroy him (i.e. that's how he sees women who reject him or don't want to have sex with him).

I think this is as good an explanation as any. I guess I just can't imagine how a man who appears to have close relationships with his female relatives has so little empathy, such hatred for the females he was attracted to. He got angry when the women he was harassing at the bar finally got sick of him and left. Maybe he went out to find (hunt down) and get one or both of them and bumped into Hannah instead. It's chilling to think how ruthless this was.

Not uncommon for some men to have close relationships with a select few women yet harbor deep feelings of hatred towards women in general. They actually think they are good guys and get along well with women but really it's only just those select few women in their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: how does one become a murderer/rapist. I think it comes from a source of anger + entitlement. A sense that you are entitled to affection from women and you are angry that you aren't getting positive responses from your attempts. It also helps that you are very large and able to over-power women who are smaller/weaker than you.

The perpetrator probably doesn't feel angry towards grandma or sister b/c he doesn't expect them to accept his advances (like he does with other women). JM was shot down by other women that night in the bars. HG wasn't in a position to deflect/reject him b/c of inebriation... and to the extent she did, it wouldn't have taken much for a big guy like JM to suffocate her. Remember that JM didn't know HG or even set out that night to attack anyone. Sounds like he was looking for female attention. HG was just in the worst place at the worst time when she crossed his path. JM is more of an impromtu murderer rapist. Self-absorbed and angry at his lot in life.

In fact, I bet the psychologists will find out that his first and second rapes actually drove him further toward being a murderer later b/c he probably blamed the women he raped at the colleges for ruining his football career, his education, and his entire life (i.e. working in low-skilled job, can't live the American dream, etc.). That's how he makes himself into the victim and gets angry enough to kill those who are trying to destroy him (i.e. that's how he sees women who reject him or don't want to have sex with him).

I think this is as good an explanation as any. I guess I just can't imagine how a man who appears to have close relationships with his female relatives has so little empathy, such hatred for the females he was attracted to. He got angry when the women he was harassing at the bar finally got sick of him and left. Maybe he went out to find (hunt down) and get one or both of them and bumped into Hannah instead. It's chilling to think how ruthless this was.

Not uncommon for some men to have close relationships with a select few women yet harbor deep feelings of hatred towards women in general. They actually think they are good guys and get along well with women but really it's only just those select few women in their lives.

Very true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any of her friends spoken out about the why she was walking alone and not with them? Did they try to get her to walk with a friend?

This is a good point. It is a lesson for all young women - college age and 20-somethings. When you go out, go with at least one other person - preferably a group - and COME HOME TOGETHER.

When you are drunk you are always at risk because you make bad choices. Women would have so much more control if they were sober. Bad things happen when you are drunk.

I taught my daughter before she went to college:
-- never accept a drink from a guy
-- never take your eye off your drink
-- always have one designated person who stays sober and keeps track of everyone else

This is the era we live in. We can talk about women's empowerment all day long, but I would rather have my daughter follow this and makes the odds of her getting home safely in her favor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any of her friends spoken out about the why she was walking alone and not with them? Did they try to get her to walk with a friend?

This is a good point. It is a lesson for all young women - college age and 20-somethings. When you go out, go with at least one other person - preferably a group - and COME HOME TOGETHER.

When you are drunk you are always at risk because you make bad choices. Women would have so much more control if they were sober. Bad things happen when you are drunk.

I taught my daughter before she went to college:
-- never accept a drink from a guy
-- never take your eye off your drink
-- always have one designated person who stays sober and keeps track of everyone else

This is the era we live in. We can talk about women's empowerment all day long, but I would rather have my daughter follow this and makes the odds of her getting home safely in her favor.

Good advice!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any of her friends spoken out about the why she was walking alone and not with them? Did they try to get her to walk with a friend?

This is a good point. It is a lesson for all young women - college age and 20-somethings. When you go out, go with at least one other person - preferably a group - and COME HOME TOGETHER.

When you are drunk you are always at risk because you make bad choices. Women would have so much more control if they were sober. Bad things happen when you are drunk.

I taught my daughter before she went to college:
-- never accept a drink from a guy
-- never take your eye off your drink
-- always have one designated person who stays sober and keeps track of everyone else

This is the era we live in. We can talk about women's empowerment all day long, but I would rather have my daughter follow this and makes the odds of her getting home safely in her favor.

You realize that a drunk person isn't the most alert. The only good choice is to either stay sober or stay/move with a large familiar group

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: how does one become a murderer/rapist. I think it comes from a source of anger + entitlement. A sense that you are entitled to affection from women and you are angry that you aren't getting positive responses from your attempts. It also helps that you are very large and able to over-power women who are smaller/weaker than you.

The perpetrator probably doesn't feel angry towards grandma or sister b/c he doesn't expect them to accept his advances (like he does with other women). JM was shot down by other women that night in the bars. HG wasn't in a position to deflect/reject him b/c of inebriation... and to the extent she did, it wouldn't have taken much for a big guy like JM to suffocate her. Remember that JM didn't know HG or even set out that night to attack anyone. Sounds like he was looking for female attention. HG was just in the worst place at the worst time when she crossed his path. JM is more of an impromtu murderer rapist. Self-absorbed and angry at his lot in life.

In fact, I bet the psychologists will find out that his first and second rapes actually drove him further toward being a murderer later b/c he probably blamed the women he raped at the colleges for ruining his football career, his education, and his entire life (i.e. working in low-skilled job, can't live the American dream, etc.). That's how he makes himself into the victim and gets angry enough to kill those who are trying to destroy him (i.e. that's how he sees women who reject him or don't want to have sex with him).

I think this is as good an explanation as any. I guess I just can't imagine how a man who appears to have close relationships with his female relatives has so little empathy, such hatred for the females he was attracted to. He got angry when the women he was harassing at the bar finally got sick of him and left. Maybe he went out to find (hunt down) and get one or both of them and bumped into Hannah instead. It's chilling to think how ruthless this was.

Not uncommon for some men to have close relationships with a select few women yet harbor deep feelings of hatred towards women in general. They actually think they are good guys and get along well with women but really it's only just those select few women in their lives.

Very true.

+1

Think about the creepy guys you know, and how this resembles them somewhat, too closely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any of her friends spoken out about the why she was walking alone and not with them? Did they try to get her to walk with a friend?

This is a good point. It is a lesson for all young women - college age and 20-somethings. When you go out, go with at least one other person - preferably a group - and COME HOME TOGETHER.

When you are drunk you are always at risk because you make bad choices. Women would have so much more control if they were sober. Bad things happen when you are drunk.

I taught my daughter before she went to college:
-- never accept a drink from a guy
-- never take your eye off your drink
-- always have one designated person who stays sober and keeps track of everyone else

This is the era we live in. We can talk about women's empowerment all day long, but I would rather have my daughter follow this and makes the odds of her getting home safely in her favor.

I am quite sure Hannah's parents taught her the same things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any of her friends spoken out about the why she was walking alone and not with them? Did they try to get her to walk with a friend?

This is a good point. It is a lesson for all young women - college age and 20-somethings. When you go out, go with at least one other person - preferably a group - and COME HOME TOGETHER.

When you are drunk you are always at risk because you make bad choices. Women would have so much more control if they were sober. Bad things happen when you are drunk.

I taught my daughter before she went to college:
-- never accept a drink from a guy
-- never take your eye off your drink
-- always have one designated person who stays sober and keeps track of everyone else

This is the era we live in. We can talk about women's empowerment all day long, but I would rather have my daughter follow this and makes the odds of her getting home safely in her favor.

I am quite sure Hannah's parents taught her the same things.

No doubt. (Well, except the "never accept a drink from a guy." Really, from any guy? Never?) But not to miss the point, when supermoms boast here what they do/say as if that will protect them from ever receiving the phone call none of us want to get while our kids are in college, I'm left incredulous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any of her friends spoken out about the why she was walking alone and not with them? Did they try to get her to walk with a friend?

This is a good point. It is a lesson for all young women - college age and 20-somethings. When you go out, go with at least one other person - preferably a group - and COME HOME TOGETHER.

When you are drunk you are always at risk because you make bad choices. Women would have so much more control if they were sober. Bad things happen when you are drunk.

I taught my daughter before she went to college:
-- never accept a drink from a guy
-- never take your eye off your drink
-- always have one designated person who stays sober and keeps track of everyone else

This is the era we live in. We can talk about women's empowerment all day long, but I would rather have my daughter follow this and makes the odds of her getting home safely in her favor.

Agree but how many college girls listen to this sage advice?

[Anonymous]

Honestly I wonder if things would have been different if she could gave called a cab or an UBER. She has her cell. She was texting for someone to come find her. I suggested to my friend who has a first year at UVA to get her an uber app on her phone set up on her credit card. I am not sure if uber is in C'ville but it is in Richmond now. I have used I when I have been at a party, even family friendly parities where I am with my kids and I just didn't feel right driving. These apps can be very useful.

Regardless I feel Hannahn could have been anyone's daughter, the entire thing. Heart breaking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This link here does say "abandoned property", so I'm guessing there may be an old house that wasn't razed when they built the park just over a decade ago (2002)?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/body-found-search-site-missing-uva-student-hannah-graham-reports-article-1.1979168

It was a creek bed behind a vacant home.

Coy Barefoot's blogpost about the location:

http://insidecville.com/blog/exclusive-where-hannah-was-found/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly I wonder if things would have been different if she could gave called a cab or an UBER. She has her cell. She was texting for someone to come find her. I suggested to my friend who has a first year at UVA to get her an uber app on her phone set up on her credit card. I am not sure if uber is in C'ville but it is in Richmond now. I have used I when I have been at a party, even family friendly parities where I am with my kids and I just didn't feel right driving. These apps can be very useful.

Regardless I feel Hannahn could have been anyone's daughter, the entire thing. Heart breaking.

Jesse Matthews, who LE believes is forensically tied to Morgan Harrington, was working as a taxi driver the night she went missing, according to his former employer.

There was another incident in Charlottesville in which a taxi driver attempted to abduct a woman.

Just sayin'.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any of her friends spoken out about the why she was walking alone and not with them? Did they try to get her to walk with a friend?

This is a good point. It is a lesson for all young women - college age and 20-somethings. When you go out, go with at least one other person - preferably a group - and COME HOME TOGETHER.

When you are drunk you are always at risk because you make bad choices. Women would have so much more control if they were sober. Bad things happen when you are drunk.

I taught my daughter before she went to college:
-- never accept a drink from a guy
-- never take your eye off your drink
-- always have one designated person who stays sober and keeps track of everyone else

This is the era we live in. We can talk about women's empowerment all day long, but I would rather have my daughter follow this and makes the odds of her getting home safely in her favor.

I am quite sure Hannah's parents taught her the same things.

No doubt. (Well, except the "never accept a drink from a guy." Really, from any guy? Never?) But not to miss the point, when supermoms boast here what they do/say as if that will protect them from ever receiving the phone call none of us want to get while our kids are in college, I'm left incredulous.

Totally agree.