Bowe Bergdahl

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason these 5 were HAND PICKED by the Taliban. They don’t go for the low-level captives. The Taliban are not exactly a “peace loving” group.

Yes, I am sure they had a reason. I don't know that reason and I doubt that you do either. But, you said they killed Americans. It appears that you were wrong. I appreciate that you are now backtracking. But, do you at least feel a bit of shame for having been misled and attempting to mislead about this?

No - I am not backtracking and I still believe they were involved in killing Americans. If they were working at training camps or helping to train other Taliban, they were involved in the killing of Americans.

[Anonymous]

He might have been suffering from PTSD prior to deserting (if he in fact did desert). Practically everyone I've encountered who served (including JAGs ) is suffering from PTSD.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason these 5 were HAND PICKED by the Taliban. They don’t go for the low-level captives. The Taliban are not exactly a “peace loving” group.

Yes, I am sure they had a reason. I don't know that reason and I doubt that you do either. But, you said they killed Americans. It appears that you were wrong. I appreciate that you are now backtracking. But, do you at least feel a bit of shame for having been misled and attempting to mislead about this?

No - I am not backtracking and I still believe they were involved in killing Americans. If they were working at training camps or helping to train other Taliban, they were involved in the killing of Americans.

Have some intellectual honesty. You described these guys as "killers of Americans". This does not appear to be true by any normal definition of "killers of Americans". At least, you have not presented any evidence that it is true. I don't think you made this up out of whole cloth, but were simply misled yourself. How hard is it to say, "my original assertion appears to be wrong"?

It seems to be a recurring pattern for conservatives to be misled by the propaganda sources they consider news (remember when Romney was going to beat Obama because of skewed polls?), not do any additional fact-checking, get caught spreading incorrect information, but then stand their ground because they "believe" it is true despite all evidence.

Simply put, what you said was wrong. No amount of hedging at this point is going to change the fact that you were wrong. Feel free to continue standing by your allegation. But, just remember your lack of interest in facts the next time you call Obama a liar. Maybe, you can just call him a "kettle" instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicants have been crying like babies that the White House hasn't dine enough to bring home the marine in Mexico. So he brings home this soldier and it's waaaaah he's endangered America.

The only way obama can win is if someone can turn him white.

Great in depth analysis there.

How about a "win" for Obama if he leaves the deserter in the hands of his Taliban friends and makes a more subtantial effort to get the guy who accidentally crossed into Mexico? They did it wrong with both guys.

We traded five bad guys for this goof ball? Good trade Mr. President.

Or you can keep harping on irrelevant race issues. Becuase in your mind that is the only reason a conservative could disagree with this president. Again, great analysis.

I thought the military's motto was "leave no service member behind". Are you saying that they should disregard this motto because the circumstances do not fit your narrative? You do know that your boy Bush released 532 detainees from Gitmo. Obama released 87. Were you this disgusted when those 532 were released. And they was no exchange for Americans upon their release. I don't know and you don't know if Bergdahl deserted. If he is, let the facts come out. Nobody knows right now. They man hasn't been debriefed yet.

Under Obama, it's "Leave no deserters or Nigerian girls behind. Service members are left to be chained, beaten and rot in Mexican jails". All it would take is one phone call to free our Marine, yet that's too hard. Obama is exactly who I knew he is -and was - back in 2008.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason these 5 were HAND PICKED by the Taliban. They don’t go for the low-level captives. The Taliban are not exactly a “peace loving” group.

Progressive liberals don't care. They only see Gitmo prisoners as innocents

[Anonymous]

If he got promoted twice, then the army obviously didn't consider him a deserter. But apparently some bloggers posted something on that doggone internet and then a Facebook page was created and misinformation was spread online and now that it's on the internet it MUST be true!

No. It just means that the premise is "innocent until proven guilty". They Army could not try him when they did not have custody of him.

[Anonymous]

To 22:20 - well if Fox News is reporting that, then it MUST be true. Eyes rolling. Spin. They spin everything. I can't imagine Obama would jeopardize his presidency for a deserter.

Did you watch NBC or CBS news last night. They are both reporting the allegations of desertion. This goes back to when he first disappeared--these allegations are not new.

[Anonymous]

To 22:20 - well if Fox News is reporting that, then it MUST be true. Eyes rolling. Spin. They spin everything. I can't imagine Obama would jeopardize his presidency for a deserter.

It is being reported by WAPO and NYT. What else do you want?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

To 22:20 - well if Fox News is reporting that, then it MUST be true. Eyes rolling. Spin. They spin everything. I can't imagine Obama would jeopardize his presidency for a deserter.

It is being reported by WAPO and NYT. What else do you want?

I'm a more conservative voter, yet my car and home radios are set to the local NPR station; and I read the NY Times and WAPO almost every day online. I rarely listen to/watch Fox News, unless it's on in a store, auto repair shop, etc. Can't help but notice that many DCUM posters seem to assume someone like me is getting news from Fox--often with a sarcastic post like noted above. Guess it makes them feel better about those who disagree with them.

[Anonymous]

Well. I am a conservative who watches all kinds of broadcasts--including Fox News. Fox is usually the first with anything negative--however, it is usually correct.

[Anonymous]

To 22:20 - well if Fox News is reporting that, then it MUST be true. Eyes rolling. Spin. They spin everything. I can't imagine Obama would jeopardize his presidency for a deserter.

You do know that Rolling Stone reported this a couple of years ago?

[jsteele]

Several comments this morning by General Dempsey, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff. These are all based on tweets from @Markknoller:

Sgt Bergdahl's conduct is a separate issue from US effort to obtain his release.

"This was likely the last, best opportunity to free him"

"Like any American, (Bergdahl) is innocent until proven guilty."

"When he is able to provide them, we'll learn the facts," says Dempsey of Bergdahl. He says if misconduct occurred, the Army won't look away

Until any finding of misconduct by Bergdahl, says Dempsey, "we will continue to care for him and his family."

[Anonymous]

1/3 of Americans 18-34 living in parents basement. 1/4 of the population on government food assistance . Veterans dying in line at VA. 5 Taliban officers traded for a deserter while a brave marine rots.

Total and complete mismanagement and incompetence by a horrible horrible President.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1/3 of Americans 18-34 living in parents basement. 1/4 of the population on government food assistance . Veterans dying in line at VA. 5 Taliban officers traded for a deserter while a brave marine rots.

Total and complete mismanagement and incompetence by a horrible horrible President.

3000 civilians dead, 4500 soldiers dead, 250,000 traumatic brain injuries, 32000 additional wounded, 2 trillion down the drain, financial meltdown, recession, FEMA trailers.

There is no comparison.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:Several comments this morning by General Dempsey, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff. These are all based on tweets from @Markknoller:

Sgt Bergdahl's conduct is a separate issue from US effort to obtain his release.

"This was likely the last, best opportunity to free him"

"Like any American, (Bergdahl) is innocent until proven guilty."

"When he is able to provide them, we'll learn the facts," says Dempsey of Bergdahl. He says if misconduct occurred, the Army won't look away

Until any finding of misconduct by Bergdahl, says Dempsey, "we will continue to care for him and his family."

These comments sound appropriate for the circumstances and very "PC" in the best sense--but empty of facts. I'm waiting for more informative details from General Dempsey and other governmental officials that I assume will be forthcoming.