Why Your Brilliant Child Didn't Get Into The Ivies

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Columbia is a clear number four in the Ivy League after HYP among the Ivies for prestige. Academically, Columbia College is probably among number 1 for its course structure for undergraduates with course requirements in western civilization the greats in literature, frontiers of science, music humanities, and arts humanities. the teachers are hand-selected to teach small seminars of no more than 20 students in the required courses, and over 80 % of all courses have less than 20 students per class. The College invests great financial and human resources in these required courses, the experience which will last a student a lifetime in learning and other valuable intellectual and practical benefits. These wonderful courses give one a leg up in life in enabling a student to rip apart any text and to re-assemble it afterwards.

Add the brilliant, usually unparalleled cultural opportunities with the United Nations, Carnegie Hall, Lincoln Center, the Museum of Natural History and countless other world-class museums, and great restaurants of every cuisine from all over the world, with student discounts and great transportation infrastructure in a world-class city, Columbia College and SEAS provide opportunities second to none.

The history of providing the financial brains for the economy of the nation during critical times in our history, starting with Alexander Hamilton, during the Civil War and then with the Brains Trust during the Great Depression remains as a strong influence on campus and in its educational ethos on education and commitment to making a difference.

So, for academic experience, Columbia is hard to beat. In layman prestige, HYPC in that order (imo).

Columbia's reputation has improved because New York City is a lot nicer than it was a few decades ago. Schools like Penn and USC have also improved for similar reasons.

[Anonymous]

Someone dug up an 8 year old thread based on an article from 2012 to argue about rankings within the Ivy League?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Learning for the sake of learning pays off in the long run. The STEM worker bees need supervision and vision.

STEM managers are usually people who have STEM backgrounds. They hire graduates of LACs to answer the phones.

Nice try. There are several articles like this but this was the first I found and I didn't feel like searching anymore.

https://hbr.org/2017/07/liberal-arts-in-the-data-age

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone dug up an 8 year old thread based on an article from 2012 to argue about rankings within the Ivy League?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Columbia is a clear number four in the Ivy League after HYP among the Ivies for prestige. Academically, Columbia College is probably among number 1 for its course structure for undergraduates with course requirements in western civilization the greats in literature, frontiers of science, music humanities, and arts humanities. the teachers are hand-selected to teach small seminars of no more than 20 students in the required courses, and over 80 % of all courses have less than 20 students per class. The College invests great financial and human resources in these required courses, the experience which will last a student a lifetime in learning and other valuable intellectual and practical benefits. These wonderful courses give one a leg up in life in enabling a student to rip apart any text and to re-assemble it afterwards.

Add the brilliant, usually unparalleled cultural opportunities with the United Nations, Carnegie Hall, Lincoln Center, the Museum of Natural History and countless other world-class museums, and great restaurants of every cuisine from all over the world, with student discounts and great transportation infrastructure in a world-class city, Columbia College and SEAS provide opportunities second to none.

The history of providing the financial brains for the economy of the nation during critical times in our history, starting with Alexander Hamilton, during the Civil War and then with the Brains Trust during the Great Depression remains as a strong influence on campus and in its educational ethos on education and commitment to making a difference.

So, for academic experience, Columbia is hard to beat. In layman prestige, HYPC in that order (imo).

The people back in 2013 when this thread started don't care anymore.

[Anonymous]

My brilliant kid didn't get into the Ivies because my brilliant kid preferred Wesleyan to all of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Top Ivies: Harvard, Princeton and Yale
Middle Ivies: UPenn, Dartmouth, Columbia
Bottom Tier: Brown and Cornell

You have tiers since not all ivies are equal. HYP are equal in prestige to MIT and Stanford but the other schools -- Lesser Ivie are not.

I suggest you compare the Physics Department at Cornell with that of Harvard

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Per US News, it's

Princeton
Harvard
Yale
Columbia
Penn
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell

Probably the only thing people familiar with the Ivies would agree upon is that Brown and Cornell are the lesser Ivies.

One of these schools is known for accepting the least amount of legacies and giving the most FA to lower income. 2nd only to MIT in that regard.

HINT: it isn't Harvard, Princeton or Penn

[Anonymous]

The vapidity of this discussion is beyond belief.

[Anonymous]

Everyone I know who went to an Ivy talk about their kids hopefully getting into an Ivy because of the connections in life (job opportunities, investment opportunities, business partnerships, private plane trips etc.). I'm not saying this is the reason to go to an Ivy, I am saying this is what a lot of people seem to value (and actually say, out loud, about their desire for their kids to attend one).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^Nothing new under the sun except being a snowflake with straight As isn't a sure thing anymore.

It is not a sure thing, perhaps, if the Ivy college you are admitted to is your only goal. It is still a great accomplishment if you still aspire to learn for the sake of learning.

This! And the fact they they could still go to a wonderful school and make a successful life for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone I know who went to an Ivy talk about their kids hopefully getting into an Ivy because of the connections in life (job opportunities, investment opportunities, business partnerships, private plane trips etc.). I'm not saying this is the reason to go to an Ivy, I am saying this is what a lot of people seem to value (and actually say, out loud, about their desire for their kids to attend one).

That tells me a lot about these friends of yours. Yuck.