Also, when the scores follow the students. At this point, that obviously does already happen but not publicly. Students in DC, especially students with behavior problems, move around from school to school. Then you would really know if the school is good or bad, if the individual scores fluctuate dramatically, right now it is all hard to tell as clearly some schools already have higher achieving students and it is a lot harder to move a under-achiever to basic than it is to move a high-achiever to proficient. Also, Murch used to use their PTA to pay an outside agency to work with their struggling readers (don't know if they still do) so it also about access to resources as this program was not run by teachers but the results were added to their IMPACT scores and inflate the DC CAS. |
Well, not one of 6 or so immersion charters outperformed DCPS’ Oyster-Adams in the language immersion category. Oyster is still the champ by a healthy margin. Now if only DCPS could bring up the scores of Bancroft & Marie Reed, among others. |
+1 - It's called self-selection. My DC who is enrolled at BASIS is coming in 2 grades advanced in math and more than 2 grades advanced in reading. I would not feel comfortable putting him in Math 7/8 as a 5th grader unless he was; we would go elsewhere. While we can take advantage of the rigor, I am not comfortable with the weeding out of capable students who are not prepared for that level in the 5th grade. To do well in higher level math you need math fluency which is developed after you learn the concepts. It doesn't matter as much which age you develop it prior to high school; but you need it to truly excel. Students who have to spend the majority of their time learning concepts they have not been taught or exposed to will have a significant learning curve and require more dedication than others in developing this needed fluency. |
It says it has 100% college acceptance rate on its website, http://benjaminbanneker.k12.dc.us/about_bbahs.html, but I'm still looking for a list. |
| I am a former chm parent and a long-time critic of the elementary program. I maintain that dcps is scared of the head teacher and her cult following. Maybe this will force dcps to take action. |
I don't think it was said Eastern has no growth, but it doesn't show any for 2012 so therefore nobody but the school or individual parents know if the students actually had growth or not. You cannot go just by scores because students may already test strongly at the start of the year. |
Exactly why you can't just look at individual school test scores as put out by OSSE, they are misleading unless you know if the individual child's score actually grew during the time that a child received the majority of instruction as the particular school. Having high test scores alone is meaningless, schools that are application only schools should have higher test scores at the high school level so unless you look at growth why would you try to compare McKinley, SWW etc. to Anacostia or Coolidge. |
| 17:55, how do you know your 5th gader's math placement already? To my knowledge they haven't done any testing yet. |
Not that poster, but if your student got A (90s) -- or 4s in DCPS parlance -- in fourth grade math elementary school, chances are pretty good that he'll ace the placement tests next month. |
The lowest level for math placement at BASIS for 5th is Saxon Math 7/8 (unless you are remedial/don't know how that works). 5th graders may also be placed in pre-Algebra or Algebra I depending on their testing. I'm assuming that he will be in 7/8 because I will fight a placement in Algebra I and I am nervous about a placement in pre-Algebra. I know my child's math level because he is currently learning 5th/6th grade math; he has been assessed every year; I teach him myself. But that was not the point of my post; review 18:07's post for further clarification. |
Thanks for the helpful post. |
Not sure how many placement classes they will do this year, but last year it seemed it was Math 7/8 or Algebra 1 to start 5th grade. Check out their course list for math on their website. Algebra 1 is what is called Leap. In 6th there are at least 3 levels of math. Only~4 out of ~125-150 kids placed into Algebra in 5th last year. I think 4s (90s) might not be good enough to assume advanced placement. Of course things may change this year. |
Oyster Adams is how old? I don't know but I've met adults with children who've gone there. Comparing Oyster to a bunch of new charters isn't fair and that's not even getting into how much money is spent per students in DCPS vs charters. |
| What's going on at Garrison? I thought it was meant to be on the cusp of a turn around? |
Students in the DC CAS grades test into Oyster on a Spanish language assessment. Guess what? Language proficiency = language proficiency = good student. Charters can't test students in. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges. DCPS "specialty" schools self-select the best students. |